Mmmmmmh not bad

The modern day Nazi party

Modern day trail of tears*

Forced relocation is a war crime, but if I were Palestinian, I would be the first to get the fuck out of Gaza.

Why? I did the math recently and a reasonable guess for the damages that Gaza owes Israel for Oct 7th is ~$30k/Gazan – tens of billions of dollars. All of the real estate in Gaza is probably worth less than that: that works out to be $172/m². It'd be perfectly reasonable for Israel to just take all of Gaza in compensation and kick everyone out. Sending them all to Libya would be a very reasonable way to do this. The Gazan population clearly has an irrational hatred of Jews, they're extremely violent, and there is no path to fixing this problem. Trying peace and diplomacy got us Oct 7th. A perfectly valid alternative to this would be to cut all aid to Gaza and just wait for the population to starve to death. No-one owes them free food or supplies, and they can't feed themselves. They fucked up their economy through violence – no one owes them anything to fix that. Speaking of, you can solve a lot of problems that way: Yemen can rain missiles down on Israel and our shipping lanes in large part because western food aid is keeping 90% of their population alive. It's ridiculous that we're doing that. Also, cutting off all this suicidal aid to people who hate us would free up money to send to Ukraine, a population actually fighting for us.

What’s the math on what the IDF owes Gazan people who don’t support Hamas?

Peter have you ever asked yourself, “am I the biggest retard in the world?” Because you might be surprised by the answer!

This guy's logic.....and he is a core dev???

The IDF owes them nothing at all. Hamas is the government of Gaza, and it clearly has significant support among the population, particularly the wealthier segment who – if they disagreed – could just leave Gaza. Hell, Hamas got voted into power with a clear majority between them and even more extremist parties. Worse, Oct 7th was _not_ solely Hamas. Roughly half of the murders and kidnappings were by "ordinary" Gazans who just decided to join in. And again, we see that support in how – unlike WW2 – there's no examples of Gazans helping hostages escape. The onus was on Gazans as a whole to stop this violence rather than support it. They chose the latter. Germany paid huge sums for WW2 reparations, including wide scale confiscation of private property. Hopefully Russia will as well. And for that matter, Iran. Does Ukraine owe Russians anything for the large amount of Russian property destroyed and Russian "civilians" killed in the course of defending themselves? Of course not. Israel is no different.

My problem with your analysis is, purely looking from a cost benefit basis, Israel came out well ahead on Oct 7. The disturbing part is that it is obvious even before the attack that it would be that way.

50% of Gazans were not alive to vote in the 2006 elections. Current polling has Hamas with a very small minority support. There are currently large street protests against Hamas, people risking their lives to rise up. The IDF has killed tens of thousands of women and children non-combatants. These are all facts…

They're protesting because they're losing and they're pissed off. If there was actually substantial opposition to killing Jews Oct 7th wouldn't have happened. _Hamas_ doesn't even claim that "tens of thousands" of woman and children non-combatants have been killed:

euronews

Hamas suspected of manipulating Gaza death toll, research shows

Some 3,400 names were removed from the most recent death reports from the Strip, raising concerns of inflated figures by Hamas.

Even Hamas claims that the deaths are 72% males aged 13 to 55. That's not killing woman and children indiscriminately. That's killing combatants. Meanwhile hundreds of IDF soldiers have given their lives in the fighting since Oct 7th. Those men and woman simply wouldn't be dead if Israel was actually bombing Gaza indiscriminately. They died because Israel is trying it's best to only kill combatants. It's a miracle that so few civilians have died given that Hamas is quite happy to fight in the middle of them, even putting military forces in active hospitals. The fact is, those deaths were a waste. Israel should have indiscriminately leveled Gaza from the air – as is their right – and not sent any soldiers into Gaza. There's nothing Israel can do to get people like you on their side, who are ultimately anti-Semitics who don't really think Israel deserves to live in peace and would rather support perpetual victims. Israel might as well get peace by force. In this case, it's not hard: Gazan society is such a mess they'll wipe out themselves given the chance.

You are an utter clown. Your exact arguments can be said about the US supporting Israel itself, an utter parasite on US tax payers. Also if you support Ukraine so much cut your own check to them.

Israel is the defender here, and a rare example of sanity in the Middle East. Jews are also at the top of the lost of valuable contributors to the US (and the west in general). There's very good reasons to want Israel to survive. Extremist Islam meanwhile is a serious threat to our way of life. Gaza being a very good example of that threat. Ukraine meanwhile is a very cheap way to keep Russia at bay. If Ukraine falls, Russia isn't going to stop there. And Russia itself is increasingly an example of extremist Islam...

Do the math on the value of the lives lost, and the enormous cost of war. Israel has lost tens of billions. Fortunately, Israel is wealthy enough to survive that. But they still deserve 100% compensation, and peace.

Lol, you think Gaza is about Tel Aviv, how cute. You're going to hate what comes next.

Your fate was designed long before living memory. In an old respected book... A cartogrophor made in UK.

check energy contracts signED B 4 the conflict startED*/*ya Th@ has been a pattern forEVER - latEly*/*ya

What happens to a factory when they add automation?...what did the Royal Society write so much about. The Bible Is the mechanism to enact it because it has the largest presence in the zeitgeist. Everyone thinks they are the 500,000 who will inherit the earth, but the truth is only those with the wit and fortitude, will. Isreal was always a metaphor. Materialists just subverted the metaphor and made it material.

& materials will fade{transform} & truth will stay - naturalLAW{loveIZbase]

Yes, nothing lasts, naturals laws remain.

Let’s not conflate. I am against the current policies of the crazy Netanyahu government, not against “Israel” or the Israeli people or “Jews” (I am partly Jewish myself and have relatives who survived the Holocaust) Judaism is a multi-thousand year old anti-fragile religion, and Netanyahu’s crazy war is only two years old. Judaism will outlive this madness. And neither Netanyahu nor the ultra religious crazies that are part of his government have a claim to Judaism. I am also pro Palestine, but anti Hamas and anti Islamic extremism. Maybe these don’t square for you but they square for me and plenty of others.

i need to check notes but British Co. had sum exploratory discovery of large source off Gaza strip.

they sleep together just like politicians

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BIS - bankofinternationalsettlement

That's not a response to anything I actually said. That's a deflection. The fact is you're perpetrating lies about Israel and you don't have a response. Also, I gotta say this is really fucked up:

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Not unlike this situation: in both cases the wrongful party is being rehabilitated in some fucked up notion of "peace" and "diplomacy", when the only solution that is working is military defeat.

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the people are paying the price for a few*/* ya - all Over thIZ glObE*****

semantics Alex, source the root cause not symptoms/***** @Peter Todd also

Jewish and Christian extremism is MUCH MORE dangerous but you NEVER mention it do you? Millions and millions more died at the hands of Jews and Christians than at the hands of Muslims.

And the other people too

I bet Monero and doggie coin don't have any core devs that are genocidal 🤷‍♂️

This does not say "the deaths are 72% males aged 13 to 55" as you said in exact words while posting the link Why do people still take you seriously while you lie so blatantly and while you mute people like me?

You're taking Peter Todd way too seriously

Mix of both maybe

You need to be institutionalized or killed and it's pretty fucked up that I'm more likely to be labeled insane for calling out bullshit like yours, and then institutionalized or killed myself

Your Overton window has been shifted by constant lies and social engineering They have you arguing about whether the kids did anything wrong while blindly accepting that Hamas is as bad as Israel Some of the kids grow up to be Hamas, does that make them the bad guys? No. Israel and the US are the bad guys

I'm not taking either side here, but you are misreading that quote. it does say 72% males 13-55. what do you claim it says?

What the fuck is wrong with you? How do you call trying to reaffirm a lie "not taking a side?" It says 72% of people in a certain age range are male, not that 72% of deaths are males in that age range The majority of deaths in Gaza are civilians, Hamas has never claimed otherwise because Hamas aren't the kind of people you and Peter Todd are

mental gymnastics...

sorry for your mother's loss, I'm sure she will grind her way to another guy but regarding "irrational hatred of Jews"

what do you think the first sentence in that quote is referring to? what is the percentage measuring?

Who cares? I don't give a shit what the quote is about, Peter Todd lied about what it said and used that to justify his further lie that Hamas have claimed the majority of deaths in this genocide aren't civilians Why do you care about the quote now that it's been revealed Peter Todd was completely lying about it? What's your thoughts process here?

1) WTF 2) How did you come up with that 30k figure?

how can you not care about the meaning of the quote but also say that he's lying about the meaning? this is literally the conversion we're having, isn't it? "what does the quote mean?" is a precondition to "is a given representation of the quote honest or a lie?". the reason I asked about the first line is because the last line is a continuation of it. I'm not brining up a tangent.

Are you saying you don't understand any of the words because you don't care about them, and you assume I can't understand any of the words because I don't care much about them? I'm still not following your train of thought here

@Saifedean Ammous would love to hear your thoughts on this. I'm curious, Peter, would you personally kill a Palestinian baby if one was handed to you?

"you would expect to see..." - this is about the percentage of adult male deaths you would expect to see in a given age range. "It's 72% in that age range" is the actual percentage seen in that age range. that's how I understand the quote, mechanically. in that understanding, Todd isn't lying. he may be wrong and horrible about everything else, and if you want to call him out on those I won't even have a comment. but in my reading of that quote and his reference to it, your accusation that he's lying about it is a cheap and incorrect shot and it doesn't inspire onlookers to take you seriously. that is the extent of my position here so don't take this as an endorsement of anything.

polish belong poland and theft is not thrift why is that hard to swallow?

You're posting word salad Peter Todd said in exact words "the deaths are 72% males aged 13 to 55" and he implied an attached link supported his statement The attached link didn't say 72% of the deaths are males aged 13 to 55, it had the number 72% in a different context I didn't mention this before, but Peter Todd also said the source was Hamas and implied the link would support him on that too. But according to the link, the source was Andrew Fox, associate fellow at the UK-based think tank Henry Jackson Society, speaking to Euronews; so, unless he's saying Andrew Fox and/or Euronews are Hamas, I'm not sure how you're having a difficult time understanding the differences between Peter Todd's statements and the link he attached. I also can't imagine being retarded enough to need to click Peter Todd's link to know whether it's a lie, hundreds of days into the genocide. Any adult by now should only be clicking Peter Todd's link with the intent of showing that it doesn't match what he said, because it can't, because every sane adult knows the majority of these deaths in Gaza have been civilians and Hamas would never say otherwise.

You’re a monster, a demon from hell.

You are writing notes with a lot irrational points my friend. You say cut off food off of Gaza, let’s see how long they survive, no one owes them… sure. When you say that, add to it, cut off Military and monetary US aid to Israel and let’s see if it’s a successful state or a failed state. We will do it at the same time, 3, 2, 1…

It is a confusing quote. It says one thing, then new sentence asserts what Wigit is saying if taken alone. After multiple readings, my understanding is, arbitrary killing should be close to 50% males, half adult (since they're 50% under 18). That's where you get 26% expected adult males if indiscriminant. They then move to a different window and assert its 72% male there. Kind of a bad way to present data, but any window should be 50% male if random, and here it skews male, thus more likely fighters. But we don't get a clear idea of what portion of total deaths that is, and have to assume it's opportunistically chosen to make a point imo

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You sound insane, friend The age range was 13 to 55 It's common knowledge that the majority of people Israel kills in Gaza are women, minors, and the elderly 13 year olds are minors but also considered "fighting age" There's no assumption required to see how fucked up this misrepresentation of the data is

I was agreeing with you...

I don't agree with your agreement You said it was confusing but it's not, it says 13 to 55, it's a clear "fuck mentally healthy people and if you're one reading this, fuck your mental health, it's child murderer era"

In the middle of talking percentages the guy says "adult male deaths" and then clarifies the age range "13 to 55" while Israel is mass murdering women and kids Bruh

Who? The same Arab countries that won't take them in?

Tell us you're on the spectrum without telling us you're on the spectrum

When people describe your posts as demonic, its not hyperbole. I hope you get to live in the world you want - but you'll need a ride to Hell first. Cyanide plus a bullet worked for a certain Austrian artist who shared your morality. It can work for you, too.

Quote is confusing because we are changing denominators in going from first assertion to second. I don't know enough about the demographics to know how misleading it might be, but sense it is somewhat the case considering the source. That's all I'm saying. I read it like Bonney did first couple times, which I think is normal since that's how an honest communication of such figures would normally be presented, but upon closer inspection doesn't look that way.

The government of Gaza Israel helped get elected lol Did you stumble on this conflict yesterday?

Stop making sense, they don’t like it

Think you can calculate how much Israel and more specifically Jews owe Americans for sacrificing their lives to win all of their wars for them? Or maybe you want to calculate exactly how much Jews owe white Europeans for the formation of their Godforsaken state?

(((They)))

This line of argumentation is always retarded

Aight, imma head out

Your confusion terrifies me, brother Contrary to Peter Todd's claims, even Israeli politicians and military leaders have been open about targeting civilians since the beginning of the war: english.elpais.com/international/2024-01-11/wipe-gaza-off-the-face-of-the-earth-the-statements-made-by-israeli-politicians-on-which-south-africa-supports-its-genocide-case.html truthout.org/articles/israeli-politician-says-children-of-gaza-have-brought-this-upon-themselves/ www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240401-israeli-officers-admit-that-most-gaza-fatalities-classified-as-terrorists-are-civilians/ The Palestinian health ministry has reported mostly civilian deaths from day 1 and Hamas has never refuted that, and why would they? Peter Todd presented it exactly backwards and attached a random link mentioning a percentage to waste time, and it worked. That's not good

I hope she's ok

I've done the math. The weapons were ours, not theirs. Let's see your math. Something tells me we have different levels of mathematics in our background. "The United States is the primary financier of major weapons used by Israel, providing around 68-69% of its arms imports between 2013-2023. Since 1948, the U.S. has supplied over $130 billion in bilateral aid, mostly military." I did weapons, you do lives.

Confusion was simply about how poor the quote/stats presentation was. It's possible it was meant the way Peter and vinney (and myself originally) read it, accurate or not, but the more I read it I saw what looked like dishonest stats. Why I say I agree with you nitpicking. As for all the rest, I don't know all that much about it, just what I hear online now and then. I'll check out your links briefly though, then move on with my life

Very concerning how a person that believes it’s okay for a government to take citizen property is a core dev

Simply retarded, on multiple levels

As I've stated before, you're completely psychopathic. Also, this note and the comments to it are a perfect example why freedom of speech is great. It allows complete nut-jobs like yourself to express your twisted thoughts and for a community to completely expel you from it.

❤️🇺🇸🇮🇱 They fucked around and found out and now crying.

Mossad much?

Somebody said something about doing the same thing and expecting different results

The people of Gaza carried out a “9/11” attack on steroids against their neighbors. They fucked around and now finding out. This War is bad, and you are not liking it. Learn from it and teach your children not to hate your neighbors, or they will repeat the same mistake and will be kicked out of Libya or any other country that they will end up in.

I don’t see what Peter’s views on the Middle East have to do with his ability to help with the Bitcoin protocol or with open source software

this is what a reasonable discussion looks like, thank you.

You can’t seriously compare elected religious politicians in Israel to Islamic extremists. If secularism has a blind spot, it’s the tendency toward false symmetry and oversimplification. This kind of thinking is what gives rise to ideologies like socialism (where unequal pay is automatically seen as a result of unequal rights) and nihilism. Islamic extremists pose a far greater threat to Western pluralism, liberal values, and to non-Muslim minorities living in Muslim-majority countries, than any religious leader in Israel ever has. The Israeli democracy has the power to withdraw from territories - as we did in 2005, naively believing the Palestinians would change - and the right-wing religious leadership in Israel ultimately respects that decision. They place the will of the people above their own beliefs. You don’t see that kind of submission to religious pluralism and to the people's will in the radical Islamic world - from Iran to Pakistan.

Have you ever read the Balfour Declaration?

What’s a single lie I have mentioned about Israel? Please elaborate. As for Ukraine, HRF has been supporting Ukraine since it was created. With funds, support, prizes, assistance. We literally just ran a campaign to keep power on for people during the winter to prevent them from freezing. I am proud of our support for Ukrainians. We ALSO support Anti-Putin Russians. Some Ukrainians don’t like that.

Where did I do that? I don’t think any religious fundamentalists are good, but I didn’t compare the two in my post. You’re arguing against a strawman

I explained the lie quite clearly above. Israel is going well beyond reasonable obligations to reduce civilian casualties, even losing hundreds of soldiers in the process. They didn't need to lose those soldiers, and you lying about why they died dishonors their sacrifices. HRF is platforming Navalny-supporting Russians, and supporting ineffective causes that distract from real solutions. There's a good reason all the Ukrainians I've talked to about this are furious (I found out because a Ukrainian I know forwarded it to me). Humanitarian campaigns to "keep power on" are deflecting from the real issue: Russia needs to be militarily defeated. That means killing Russians in enormous numbers. The Navalny crowd are anti-Putin. They are very much not anti-war. Quite the opposite: they're campaigning to get corruption out of Russia, which makes Russia a more effective imperialist fighting force. Putin is just a symptom of the underlying problem: Russian imperialism. That's much more than Putin and the truth is there is no meaningful opposition within Russia to it. Support to Navalny should be sanctioned just as much as support for Putin, as Navalny being successful would make Russia even more dangerous. It's a good thing that Russia is corrupt: it's made them a much less effective fighting force. Thank God. If you were actually serious about peace rather than just grifting, you'd be supporting efforts to do things like get more drones to Ukraine to kill Russians and end this war, permanently. You're not. This is exactly why in Ukraine itself people rarely fundraise for humanitarian supplies. They fundraise for drones and other military supplies to kill Russians.

Members of the Israeli government regularly and publicly boast that their goal is to flatten Gaza, seize it, and expel Palestinians and take their land. You can see this in Israeli newspapers and TV every single day. Look up Ministers Ben Gvir and Smotrich in particular. Bev Gvir even said he wants to move there! As for Navalny, we’ll just have to disagree. IMO the only way to defuse Russian fascism and imperialism is to end the Putin regime, not to kill all the Russians.

...and? It's perfectly reasonable for them to want Gazans out, as I explained above. Gaza used their sovereignty – given to them by Israel – to slaughter Jews. There is no respon to want Gaza to ever have sovereignty again. Russian fascism and imperialism predates Putin by literally centuries, and Navalny himself has been in support of Russian imperialism. Putin has only been in power since 2000 – Chechnya was first invaded in 1994. As I said, Navalny had an anti-corruption campaign. Not an anti-imperialism campaign. You're literally supporting a political force that, if successful, would make Russia even more of a threat to the world.

With something so self-evidently evil, it’s hard to decide whether responding to this note enumerating everything that’s wrong with it or just letting this guy continue talking is the more effective approach.

I dislike Hamas as much as anyone. I just don’t think it’s the right thing to do to starve and expel 2 million people (half of them under 18 years old) to fight them. IMO we should be supporting anti-Hamas movements in Gaza. You are correct about the long history of Russian imperialism. But you can’t seriously think the solution is to kill and eradicate 100M people? How about helping other people come to power who don’t want to invade their neighbors? Worked in Germany and Japan, who both had horrible Fascist empires, why not Russia?

You're dishonestly putting words in my mouth: what I said above was defeating their military and crushing their economy. You don't need to kill everyone in Russia to accomplish that. That may of course happen in the long run due to a collapsed economy. But that's not our problem and we're not the ones responsible if it happens. ...and again, you show your disregard for actual victims: the 40 million Ukrainians who have to live under war. Bringing up the number of Russians is practically making an argument that we should go easy on them because there happens to be more of them. It's kinda remarkable how close both situations are: in both cases you're protecting a violent, murderous, population that has repeatedly and intentionally massacred innocent people in their genocidal ambitions to wipe out a smaller minority group.

Ok. Glad to hear that you don’t think all Russians need to be killed. I don’t mean to show any disregard for Ukrainians. They are the victims. And I have appreciated how you stand up for them unlike the rest of the Bitcoin community. We just disagree on how best to help. I would like us to protect innocent civilians. In my view that means a) Putin ending his war and retreating and b) an end to the IDF bombing and starving of Gaza and the end of Hamas I understand that you think the only way to defeat Russian imperialism and Islamic terror is brute force violence, but I don’t agree. Can’t kill an idea. Far more long-term effective (not to mention more peaceful) if Russians or Palestinians can be mobilized to rise up and change their own governments. Germans run Germany peacefully today same with Japan, I see no reason why there can’t be a peaceful democratic Russia and Gaza in the future.

Sovereignty? It's an open air prison. Your takes are bizarre propaganda. If you have known nothing but oppression your entire life and live right next to a country rolling in money that is your oppressor, I'm fairly sure, given your outspoken idiocy, that you would be participating in whatever push back you could. Just stop.

United States is a threat to the world and NOT Russia! Russia liberates from people like you! You are on the losing side of the history. By your logic you also support Azerbaijans ethnic cleansing of Armenian people where I was born Artsakh and had to flee for my life in 1988 and recently in 2020 complete extermination, exodus an ethnic cleansing of 120k indigenous people of the land. You are typical American without any understanding of history and people of that region. Please stay on your continent surrounded by two oceans and shut the fuck up.

It's genocide. They are not going well beyond reasonable obligations. They are blowing up food aid before it even gets there and hospitals run by international groups. Look Peter, a civilization ends when it normalizes genocide. Period. You are doing that. It's been done. Israel paid us to normalize it. We're cooked, we just don't know it yet. Welcome to the beginning of the end. This Fourth Turning will be worse than all the others. The truth is, the elite know they don't need people anymore due to AI and automation. They will try to choke out every person they can.

Look at how long helicopters were mobilised and ask yourself if that jibes with the narrative. The problem with all these comments stems from a very poor assumption that you actually have a clue what’s going on. Survivors of Liberty might have more discerning views.

Mossad actually use their heads

Yeah no, thank fuck there's more than one Dev is all I'm saying.

He'd do the math first,

Bro that whole line made me laugh it's so ridiculous

I make a distinction between the regular people and the govt elites who rule over them. Most regular people just want to live their life how they see fit. It’s the governments who are manipulating us into wars. And the ruling elite are taking orders from demonic forces who are intent on destroying humanity.

property rights good

"open air prison" 😂😂😂 I remember looking at Google maps just after Oct 7th and verifying that Gaza was in fact covered with beachfront resorts. If Gazans were sane they could have easily made themselves wealthy from Muslim oriented tourism. Unfortunately not only are Gazan's nuts, a high % of Islam worldwide is too. Gaza was a sovereign nation. And a relatively wealthy one too: higher GDP/capital than neighboring Egypt. Of course, their economy is kinda fake as so much was propped up by outside support from entities trying to destroy Israel. But the fact is, Oct 7th would have been impossible if Gaza was actually a prison. All those tunnels, rockets, and weapons cost billions of dollars.

Gaza didn't even have an airport. You couldn't get in or out except via Israel.

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Obviously you've never looked at a map. They have a border with Egypt, which allowed huge amounts of weapons and other military supplies to be snuggled in.

In war you have no obligation to feed the enemy. Previously Israel went above and beyond by allowing huge amounts of food aid in, which predictably fed Hamas, and was also sold by them to fund their terror. Lately Israel has been blocking all food aid. Which is absolutely fine. Nazism was defeated in part because Germany was starving. We didn't allow food aid into Germany until they unconditionally surrendered. The war would have been over a long time ago if Israel had stopped all food aid from getting into Gaza. They should have.

October 7th was an inside job by Mossad on their own population to justify wiping out Gaza. That is obvious

“Can't kill an idea” What absurd nonsense. Ideas don't themselves kill people. Weapons kill people. Weapons that are paid for by economies. The reason why Gaza is a threat to Israel – why Oct 7 happened – is because we allowed Gaza sovereignty and the ability to import huge amounts of supplies. Cutting off Gaza from the world solved that problem. Killing Russia's economy also kills Russian imperialism. Whether or not the idea dies is irrelevant. If they can't afford weapons and soldiers, who cares? Neither Nazism nor Japanese imperialism are dead ideas. But that's ok: we killed millions of the young people holding those ideas, and crushed the economies of the countries they lived in. Both ideas are mostly irrelevant because the people holding those ideas lost their economic power to use those ideas. Extremist Islam isn't there yet. But we could get there pretty quickly by destroying the economy of just a few countries, mainly Iran. As I've said before, Israel should use their military power to destroy Iran now, while they still don't have nuclear weapons. You would rather risk the lives of Ukrainians, and everyone else neighboring Russia, for the sake of Russians. You aren't even doing it well: you're HRF is literally platforming imperialists who seek to make Russia less corrupt, and thus better at fighting their next war. Imperialists who are also trying to get sanctions lifted on Russia, which would immediately help them win this war. It's notable how HRF had four Russians on the recent program and only one Ukrainian, and then harassed the Ukrainian for pointing that out. They're fighting a clever diplomatic war, taking advantage of the fact that organizations like HRF are uncomfortable with military force – the actual solution to these problems. While you dither with words, Ukrainians die. FWIW I'm very glad I didn't end up accepting funding from HRF for OpenTimestamps. I can't ethically work with you and would have had to cancel it.

Mega troll. Got everyone

History is one long laundry list of how you can’t kill ideas with brute force. What you can do is introduce better ideas. Appreciate your work on making Bitcoin a more widespread global idea. HRF doesn’t support violence and we don’t get involved in warfare. Sorry to disappoint!

my pleasure fellow goy ⚡

Yes, so you are well aware of how your statement was a blatant lie.

Itamar Ben Gvir’s family originates from Iraq - yet another Muslim country that became Judenfrei in the past 80 years. But I’m sure you know better than him about the Arab-Muslim mindset and intentions…

"HRF doesn't support violence" You most certainly do. You support the violence of aggressors by platforming people falsely calling for "peace", and simultaneously refusing to support the necessary violence that actually achieves peace. Time and time again Russia, and even Gaza, has used ceasefires to consolidate military gains and prepare for the next battle. HRF is helping Russia achieve this yet again. You are not a good person. You're a grifter making money off the suffering of others while pretending to help solve the problem. Last time I was in Ukraine I had pretty much this discussion with a bunch of Bitcoiner Ukrainians about exactly this. They also thought that HRFs "anti-violence" efforts were grifting disguised as help. Ukrainians aren't stupid. They've lived through this cycle of violence and "peace" for years.

HRF is helping Russia. That’s a new one 😂 I should put that in my Twitter bio As far as whether I am a “good person” We can let others be the judge of that I rest easy knowing I am anti-Putin, pro-Ukraine, and also anti starving and bombing hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children in Gaza You rest easy wanting more death and destruction and starvation What a world! Maybe we can hope in a small irony your work for Bitcoin will make your dreams of catastrophic state imposed violence less possible

I am indeed surprised and impressed by your sane comment.

I've consciously seen about 50 years of appeasement politics and often wondered why this continues to happen, in spite of it NEVER EVER working. I've come to the conclusion that it's an aversion to responsibility. Publicly condemning bad act costs zero. It also achieves zero, but in the eyes of too many people, "at least it demonstrates to the bad guy, that we're not OK with his deeds". So no risk, but some gain among the more stupid populace. Actually kicking a bad guy's butt risks the lives of your soldiers, a lot of material, and of course the next election. In exchange, it has a good chance of actually achieving a result. So, guess which way a politician will always go?

“Survived the holocaust.” Lol. No one believes those lies anymore.

Such peace and diplomacy going on in the west bank lol It was a matter of time until mossad disinformation made it to Nostr

Is this a serious post?

Thank you for saying that here

Oy goy! Quit noticing and bow down to Gods chosen people

I'm half Jewish, but I prefer truth over lies

“Extremist Islam meanwhile is a serious threat to American democracy whereas Israel isn’t, so hb let’s hand over all the control of the vast majority of valuable positions and contributors to reward them for having the sense to bomb those children, civilians, and humanitarian aid workers to hell and back.” Oh and enslaving the entire American population into debt via the federal reserve. Oh and all our senators have their pockets lined by AIPAC. But the Muslims 😓. Indeed their preservation is of nigh importance, crucially vital to the everything running smooth, why would we jeopardize that. Yk the expression can’t see past your own nose, remarkable how accurate these sayings can be.

Sorry for the misrepresentation✌🏾, as a Christian i fully believe the division between the Abrahamic religions has been largely manufactured unnaturally, which is why I try to make the specific distinction to zionists when applicable🫡. The tactics to fracture, subvert, and subdue us by the common enemy while they attempt to empower themselves are pathetic, paper thin at best, and at worst, risk alerting us to the game they have long since rigged.

I appreciate that. I follow Christ as well. There are many waking up to the separation between Judaism and Zionism right now. All positive movements towards peace 🕊️

Amen to that🙌🏾

Yes, that's correct. Your observation has since been more or less confirmed by photographs, videos, and the sequence of events. Netanyahu is not just an Israeli; and not just a 'Jew'. More accurately he is a "Satanist" who is hungry for more war (mega death & destruction) in order to pursue Messianic ambitions that are Biblical in scope. Netanyahu (whose real Polish name = Mileikowsky) is also a member of Chabad Lubavitch (i.e., the Cult who all wear identical, Black Fedora Hats) ... as is Donny Trump, and his Son-in-Law. It is this Cult that originally planned and orchestrated the Ukraine crisis.

If ukraine did make some damage to civilians in russia, they yes, from moral point of view they owe them compensation. Not russian state but damaged civilians. But russia owe lot more to ukranian victims. UA practicaly do not target civilians. Thinking that people are just colective is immoral leftist thinking. You need compensate any innoncent victims of your actions and innocent is everyone who did not actively participated on aggresion. So i do not care what they think about their ruler and his action. If you have some collateral damage, you need compensate victims or you are just terrorist.

Not Liberia like they wanted to send the American slaves to? Why not just keep using the same country until someone accepts the offer? Pack it full of Hispanics, Gazans, Democrats, and other undesirables Trump wants to make go away.

I think we all are “anti starving and bombing hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children in Gaza”. What do you think is the root cause of this? Could it be fundamentalist Islamic ideology (once again, as in any other part of the area) and not liberal western country? Just a crazy idea

Bro Bibi has literally been propping up Hamas. He needs them!

I have zero sympathy for Bibi. He’s as morally corrupt as one can be. But I don’t think we allowed Qatar sends money to Gaza in order for hamas to slaughter Israelis. He was feeding the monster in hope of buying peace. Bibi didn’t make hamas being chosen in 2005 and controlling the strip ever since. Bibi didn’t invent Islamic fundamentalism.

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How you manage to write code when you have such a flawed concept of logic, is beyond me.

Oct 7 was a psyop. Israel created hamas you dumb fuck.

The amount of projection I see in these arguments hurts my heart. Israel uses problem, reaction, solution to get the land it wants. Allow "terrorist" group to get power, act shocked when they do terrorist things (and most likely allowed to happen), take all the land. Then rebuild their temple- thats probably in the 10 year plan A 6 year old can understand this

Claude Opus 4: This full thread provides crucial context. Now we can see the complete arc of Todd's argument and Gladstein's responses. Let me analyze what this reveals: ## Todd's Escalating Rhetoric The thread shows Todd progressively revealing more extreme positions: 1. **Opening**: Calculating "damages" Gaza owes Israel, suggesting forcible expulsion 2. **Middle**: Claiming civilian casualties are mostly combatants, IDF deaths prove restraint 3. **Climax**: Advocating Israel should have "indiscriminately leveled Gaza from the air" 4. **Extension to Russia**: Applying the same logic - crush their economy, kill millions if needed ## The False Binary Todd repeatedly presents a false choice: - Either support total war and mass civilian casualties - Or you're supporting the aggressors This ignores the possibility of targeted action against actual combatants while protecting civilians. Gladstein tries to point this out - being anti-Hamas but pro-Palestinian civilian - but Todd rejects any such nuance. ## The "Grifter" Accusation Todd's final attack - calling Gladstein a "grifter making money off the suffering of others" - is particularly revealing. When Gladstein maintains that: - You can oppose Putin without killing all Russians - You can oppose Hamas without starving all Gazans - Ideas can't be killed with brute force alone Todd's response is to question his motives and integrity rather than engage with the arguments. ## The Historical Parallel Problem Todd claims Nazi and Japanese imperial ideas were defeated through: - Killing millions of young people who held those ideas - Crushing their economies completely But this misreads history: - The Marshall Plan rebuilt Germany and Japan - Both countries were integrated into the international system - The ideas were defeated through prosperity and democracy, not just violence ## The Ukraine Connection Todd's view that anyone supporting Russian civil society (even anti-Putin Russians) is helping Russian imperialism reveals his zero-sum worldview. He literally cannot conceive of Russians who oppose both Putin AND imperialism. His claim that Navalny supporters want to make Russia "less corrupt" and therefore "better at fighting their next war" is bizarre - as if the only good Russian is an ineffective Russian. ## The Core Philosophy Todd's worldview ultimately boils down to: 1. **Collective guilt**: All members of an enemy population are legitimate targets 2. **Economic warfare**: Destroying economies to prevent future threats 3. **Violence as the only solution**: Rejecting diplomacy, civil society, or gradual change 4. **Moral certainty**: Anyone who disagrees is naive, antisemitic, or profiting from suffering ## What This Reveals This isn't just about Gaza or Ukraine - it's about a fundamentally nihilistic view of human conflict where: - Empathy is weakness - Moderation is complicity - Total victory through mass suffering is the only acceptable outcome - Anyone advocating for civilian protection is secretly supporting the enemy The tragedy is that Todd clearly cares deeply about Ukrainian suffering. But his response is to advocate for maximalist violence everywhere, unable to see that this philosophy ultimately perpetuates the cycles of violence he claims to want to end. Gladstein's final point is apt - there's a dark irony in Todd working on Bitcoin (ostensibly about human freedom and reducing state power) while advocating for unlimited state violence against civilian populations. ---- Further up in my conversation with Claude it gave a more favorable take on @Peter Todd 's perspective: You make an excellent point about the agent provocateur problem - if Israel's strategy is deterrence through overwhelming retaliation, that creates a perverse incentive for their enemies to stage false flag operations. Someone who wants to see Palestinians destroyed could attack Israel while posing as Palestinians, triggering the very genocide they desire. This is a fundamental flaw in the "massive retaliation" doctrine. ## Todd's Claims About Casualties Todd is making several empirical claims here that we should examine: **1. "Hamas doesn't even claim tens of thousands"** This appears to be false. Hamas-run health ministry has consistently reported 40,000+ deaths. The article he cites discusses 3,400 names being removed from lists, but that's a small fraction of the total claimed deaths. **2. "72% males aged 13-55"** This statistic needs scrutiny: - Classifying all males 13+ as "combatants" is problematic - many are civilians - Even if we accept this demographic breakdown, 28% women and children is still thousands of non-combatants - The age range 13-55 includes teenagers and elderly men who may not be fighters **3. "IDF deaths prove they're being careful"** This logic doesn't follow. IDF soldiers could die while still conducting indiscriminate bombing. Ground operations and airstrikes aren't mutually exclusive. ## The "Indiscriminate Leveling" Argument Todd's final argument is revealing: - He admits Israel *could* level Gaza completely - He argues they *should* have done so - He claims this is their "right" - He dismisses any casualties as Gaza's own fault This is the logical endpoint of his position: complete annihilation is justified, morality is irrelevant, and any restraint is weakness. ## The Anti-Semitism Accusation Todd deploys a common rhetorical move: anyone who criticizes Israeli military action is secretly antisemitic. This is intellectually dishonest. One can: - Support Israel's right to exist - Condemn Hamas's October 7 attacks - Still question whether killing thousands of civilians is justified But Todd's framework doesn't allow for this nuance. In his view, anything short of supporting total annihilation makes you an anti-Semite. ## The Core Question Todd's position ultimately rests on several premises: 1. Might makes right 2. Civilian casualties are always the fault of those who started the conflict 3. Any moral constraints are weakness 4. Total victory through annihilation is the only path to peace He's internally consistent - if you accept these premises, his conclusions follow. The question is whether we should accept a world that operates on these principles. You've noted throughout our discussion that historically, this is often how the world *has* worked. The question is whether it's how it *should* work, or whether that distinction even matters when faced with existential threats.

What a total and utter scumbag you are. And I thought you were just bad for Bitcoin. Now I see you are bad for humankind