The IDF owes them nothing at all. Hamas is the government of Gaza, and it clearly has significant support among the population, particularly the wealthier segment who – if they disagreed – could just leave Gaza. Hell, Hamas got voted into power with a clear majority between them and even more extremist parties. Worse, Oct 7th was _not_ solely Hamas. Roughly half of the murders and kidnappings were by "ordinary" Gazans who just decided to join in. And again, we see that support in how – unlike WW2 – there's no examples of Gazans helping hostages escape. The onus was on Gazans as a whole to stop this violence rather than support it. They chose the latter. Germany paid huge sums for WW2 reparations, including wide scale confiscation of private property. Hopefully Russia will as well. And for that matter, Iran. Does Ukraine owe Russians anything for the large amount of Russian property destroyed and Russian "civilians" killed in the course of defending themselves? Of course not. Israel is no different.

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My problem with your analysis is, purely looking from a cost benefit basis, Israel came out well ahead on Oct 7. The disturbing part is that it is obvious even before the attack that it would be that way.
50% of Gazans were not alive to vote in the 2006 elections. Current polling has Hamas with a very small minority support. There are currently large street protests against Hamas, people risking their lives to rise up. The IDF has killed tens of thousands of women and children non-combatants. These are all facts…
They're protesting because they're losing and they're pissed off. If there was actually substantial opposition to killing Jews Oct 7th wouldn't have happened. _Hamas_ doesn't even claim that "tens of thousands" of woman and children non-combatants have been killed: Even Hamas claims that the deaths are 72% males aged 13 to 55. That's not killing woman and children indiscriminately. That's killing combatants. Meanwhile hundreds of IDF soldiers have given their lives in the fighting since Oct 7th. Those men and woman simply wouldn't be dead if Israel was actually bombing Gaza indiscriminately. They died because Israel is trying it's best to only kill combatants. It's a miracle that so few civilians have died given that Hamas is quite happy to fight in the middle of them, even putting military forces in active hospitals. The fact is, those deaths were a waste. Israel should have indiscriminately leveled Gaza from the air – as is their right – and not sent any soldiers into Gaza. There's nothing Israel can do to get people like you on their side, who are ultimately anti-Semitics who don't really think Israel deserves to live in peace and would rather support perpetual victims. Israel might as well get peace by force. In this case, it's not hard: Gazan society is such a mess they'll wipe out themselves given the chance.
Do the math on the value of the lives lost, and the enormous cost of war. Israel has lost tens of billions. Fortunately, Israel is wealthy enough to survive that. But they still deserve 100% compensation, and peace.
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S!ayer 7 months ago
The onus is on Israeli to stop raping and killing children but they've been doing it since the creation of Israel. Therefore we hold every single Israeli and Jew responsible for the deaths and rapes of Palestinians. Individuals like you are indeed responsible and will be held responsible too. Just like the Nazi's were. Bro really made bad decisions this year. Lol.
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The IDF owes them nothing at all. Hamas is the government of Gaza, and it clearly has significant support among the population, particularly the wealthier segment who – if they disagreed – could just leave Gaza. Hell, Hamas got voted into power with a clear majority between them and even more extremist parties. Worse, Oct 7th was _not_ solely Hamas. Roughly half of the murders and kidnappings were by "ordinary" Gazans who just decided to join in. And again, we see that support in how – unlike WW2 – there's no examples of Gazans helping hostages escape. The onus was on Gazans as a whole to stop this violence rather than support it. They chose the latter. Germany paid huge sums for WW2 reparations, including wide scale confiscation of private property. Hopefully Russia will as well. And for that matter, Iran. Does Ukraine owe Russians anything for the large amount of Russian property destroyed and Russian "civilians" killed in the course of defending themselves? Of course not. Israel is no different.
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S!ayer 7 months ago
Egypt told them wo weeks prior and Interpol told them a month before. Israel knew it was going to happen then sent it's army to kill Jews to pump up the numbers. The whole attack was meant to take hostages in exchange for hostages. Not to be a massacre. That was done by the IDF
The government of Gaza Israel helped get elected lol Did you stumble on this conflict yesterday?
If ukraine did make some damage to civilians in russia, they yes, from moral point of view they owe them compensation. Not russian state but damaged civilians. But russia owe lot more to ukranian victims. UA practicaly do not target civilians. Thinking that people are just colective is immoral leftist thinking. You need compensate any innoncent victims of your actions and innocent is everyone who did not actively participated on aggresion. So i do not care what they think about their ruler and his action. If you have some collateral damage, you need compensate victims or you are just terrorist.