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💯 have seen this too. HODL culture is HODLING too tight and not supporting what folks are building by spending Bitcoin in our circular economy.
Spend your Bitcoin with Bitcoiners. End of story.
I'd also like to see more people using bitcoin as money. I _think_ the true bitcoiners do, but the masses that are beginning to arrive are being sold the narrative of "never sell" and that's unfortunate. Hopefully with time and individuals digging deeper, they realize it's actually okay and good to spend your bitcoin
builders have to stick out for eachother 🫂
I just went to your website to make a donation, and its way too many clicks imo and uses an unnecessary intermediary. Just put a lightning address, i dont see why i should even be asked to tip geyser.
After a certain recent article I'm sure the gap between bitcoin and shitcoin donations will grow a lot larger still.
That said, any donation in btc is worth infinitely more than anything else in the long run, so it's not such a good comparison.
Eth foundation printed their own money too start with, doesn't really admire me their handing it out easily
As expected👍
Agreed geyser is not ideal. However, I don’t think having it listed as an address/lnurl on the donation page would move the needle a significant amount. I would expect larger donations to move on chain.
I also agree that there is lots of fud out there surrounding bitcoin spending.
Thanks for the feedback, thats actually really helpful. Will try to improve!
I think u can use ur own node in cake wallet iirc
A lot of bitcoiners prefer to spend their corn buying politicians.
Silent payments rule! Now available for sending in Sparrow and BullBitcoin wallet.
People are more generous with things they got for free than scarce assets they had to work their ass off for.
Get a rizful.com lightning address and we'll make the first donation of 50,000 sats! Hit us back when you're ready.
I think we need to say goodbye to our believe that "Bitcoiners" are principled freedom lovers and supportive of others. Many are, but most are in for personal egoistic reasons only. The "never spend" BTC narrative is the most backward.
I think one reason for the lack of support for the samourai team is because a lot of people don't like them. From what I have heard, the samourai team were assholes and they were drawing a lot of unnecessary attention to themselves. They were marketing their service as a way to navigate around government sanctions. I'm not saying they deserve what happened to them by any means. They did not. But you need to be smarter than that. This world isn't free and the freedoms we were taught that America stood for is simply a lie. The government made an example out of them and showed the world that this isn't about justice at all. It's about keeping people afraid and in line.
I also think bitcoiner actions are more aligned with their beliefs than shitcoiners. Many bitcoiners are true anarchists who know that the government and all their courts are just smoke and mirrors. Shitcoiners need the government to play nice with them. Bitcoiners do not. Why would an anarchist ever try to gain freedom through a court that he doesn't perceive to be legitimate? Why would an anarchist pay a lawyer to try and free someone when he doesn't recognize their authority at all? The truth is that there is no real justice in these courts. Samourai had no speedy trial. They didn't have any clear violations of the law. They didn't actually custody any of the money. They were arrested before the prosecutors even finished building a case against them. Trying to free them by bending the knee and engaging in their bullshit lawyer spectacles is not how you gain freedom. The founding fathers didn't gain their freedom by arguing for it in rigged British courts. Freedom is not won that way. And the system is rigged. We know this. What happened to Ross Ulbricht is proof of that. What is happening with the Epstein files is proof of that. The prison sentence that Larken Rose received is proof of that. The prison sentence that Irwin Schiff received is proof of that. How much more evidence do people need before they stop wasting their time on these courts? This trial is not about justice or convicting criminals. It's about punishing people who are undermining the power of the government and the trials are just a show intended to maintain a pretense of fairness. That is the sole reason why courts exist. It's not about justice but making you think there is justice and that you need government to ensure justice prevails.
The government can and does make examples out of the loud people who bring a lot of attention to themselves. The people trying to disrupt the system. Again, not saying they deserve what happened but asking me to pay lawyers to play a silly game of arguing about trivialities like what constitutes custody is not a good use of time or money. Is code speech? Is it a weapon? Is bitcoin protected under the first or second amendment? Wtf are these retarded arguments? Mental gymnastics is not how you become free. Americans don't know what it means to be American or free anymore.
Finally, and most importantly, you can't beat the courts because it is tilted in their favor. The judge literally cannot be impartial when the state pays his salary. This fact alone makes everything that the court does unjust. And a jury of your peers who were coerced into being a jury is not justice either. A jury can't ensure justice when their basic human rights are being violated through coercive force. A jury that doesn't want to be in the court is not who I want to determine the fate of my freedom. Freedom isn't won this way. It never was and it never will be. This is just my best guess as to why bitcoiners are different. You may disagree with me, but I don't think any massive changes will be made through fraudulent kangaroo courts. And I have a hunch that after covering all this, you probably think the same. Should I waste my money on a lost cause? I don't think so. You are one of the few people on nostr that I consistently zap. It's because I appreciate your work and find it very valuable to keep up to date with the crimes that are being committed by this "justice system." But I sadly don't think any of this will change anything and I believe it is a mistake to think that paying more money to lawyers is what will free samourai. This whole case was fucked from the beginning and there is nothing the lawyers could do to change that except just waste more time while the samouai team rots in jail. They have already been locked up for far too long and the damage has already been done. The courts succeeded in what they intended to do all along: scare developers.
This strikes me as observably true. And yes, sad.
"The only way I can explain this to myself is that there seems to be an issue with the general mentality of trying to keep your bitcoin to yourself, which results in a significant lack of support for others - and it makes me really sad."
View quoted note →The hodl mentality is retarded
Simple bolt12 address would give decent privacy to the donator. Many use phoenix.
This is a good point
Congrats on the grant. It's ok to work shitcoin related stuff, but I don't think you need to combine it with attempted bitcoin shaming. Every time someone tries to say that there isn't enough bitcoin spending going on, it's like, who are you even talking to? This is nostr. As far as I can tell, we're at the forefront of V4V with bitcoin. To anyone who is actually on the bitcoin standard, all they hear is "you have money, I don't, you should give me yours". Just like atlas shrugged.
Maybe you need to stop hanging out with the "orange tie suits" so much. I don't see bitcoin through this lens at all. I also never really hated shitcoins, they're doing their thing, that's great, maybe something good comes out of it, maybe not. Twitter is the only reason everyone 'went to war' over this stuff in the first place afaict, just influencoors obeying the algos to popularize being toxic to each other.
Again, congrats. I enjoy your takes for the most part and think it's cool that there are real journalists covering this stuff.
Strange to hear this from someone that claims to embrace freedom. You are simply talking down on those that don’t behave as you wish.
A bit Bigot coming from you.
Selfish behavior with shared values drives cooperation. What is good for me and is good for you is good for both.
Im sorry bud but anyone who seriously quotes ayn rand automatically disqualifies themselves from this conversation lol
This is surprising to me. My experience with bitcoiners is that they tend be very generous, with the notable exception of MSTR and penny stock promoters.
With your ETH donations, were they all from wealthy holders or the Ethereum Foundation? That would speak less to the culture within Ethereum community itself and more to the fact that those with the biggest pre-mined bags feared the Tornado Cash trial would become an existential threat to Ethereum's existence.
You mentioned atlas shrugged and Adam Curry was trying to remember if he got the term Value 4 Value from that book or not.
Is there a connection and if so do your ember what it is?
Her propaganda has nothing to do with freedom.
Shiitcoin cabal is paying for propaganda. How sweet.
AFAIK Monero has been PoW since forever. Where can Ibsign up to get it for free?
Sad to hear you are so narrow minded and prone to censorship…
This is something Monero people already do. Sure, they buy more and HODL, but they also are willing to spend Monero with Monero accepting merchants.
The donation was from the Ethereum Foundation who got their ETH for free and has been dumping on suckers willing to pay for it ever since.
The donation was from the Ethereum Foundation who got their ETH for free and has been dumping on suckers willing to pay for it ever since.
#realtalk
That's exactly it. They pre mined all their ETH, then switched to PoS to maintain their majority influence over the network.
ETH is crypto fiat. Their pockets are deep, because they can print tokens for free.
you don't like atlas shrugged? 😂 I'll see myself out then.. I typically only use money for things I need or find valuable. This mixing service I never used did not make the list.
People give you ETH because it’s worthless and they know it 🤣
It could also be that the Samurai guys were kinda dicks. They also (apparently) have a large personal stash. If someone has over 100 or 1000 bitcoin it makes donating more difficult.
I agree that bitcoiners can do a lot better in this area.
Im not sure what part of the concept that you cant use money you allegedly gained from a crime to defend yourself against charges of that crime is so hard to understand but this seems to be a fairly common misconception
It's just in a discovery phase. What is content 'worth'? What are goods and services that accept bitcoin 'worth'? I'm saying nostr is a place where this real discovery is actually happening.. Vs the past of there really wasn't much going on.
Maybe it still feels like not much is happening to some, but to me it does feel like a lot is happening for once.
I simply dislike being told what to spend money on, or that bitcoin will fail because bitcoiners didn't spend enough. Esp if you are comparing pleb bitcoiners to a massively well funded foundation like ethereum. I also appreciate having things to spend it on so maybe I should stfu and let the engagement bait fall on other ears because something must be working here I think.
I think most actual Bitcoiners already know the government is shit. Bitcoiners understand what values them. We pay for our own values. Bitcoiners would more likely pay to see documentaries in person after it’s already made. At Bitcoin conferences around the world. I would! My company would most likely sponsor the showing. I would love to see a production of the samurai story.
The Ethereum foundation didn’t buy their Ethereum they allocated it to themselves in a premine
Bingo. Giving money away is easy when you can just print it.
I respectfully disagree with this take.
I've done more than 400 livestreams over two years all focused on growing Bitcoin adoption and helping Bitcoiners protect their sats
The entire journey has been funded by the community. We have no sponsors and have no plans of changing that.
I believe that maintaining one's voice - without influence of sponsors - is most important in this space.
There are a ton of INCREDIBLY generous and supportive Bitcoiners out there.
The community has allowed me to wake up every day and talk about Bitcoin.
Could it be better? Of course.
I feel like I should have 100,000 viewers on the livestreams every morning - strictly because of how exciting and important Bitcoin is.
God bless all the people who have and continue to support the channel. You know who you are - and I would not be here without you 🧡
L0la L33tz
We just got a pretty major grant from a thing called Octant and the Ethereum Foundation to produce a documentary about the DOJ‘s case against Roman Storm.
Probably gonna get lynched for this, but I think we need to talk.
While we are grateful for every donation, over the past ~1.5 years we received noticably less donations in Bitcoin than we received in ETH, Zcash and Monero over the course of just a few months - while our main audience *are* bitcoiners.
The only way I can explain this to myself is that there seems to be an issue with the general mentality of trying to keep your bitcoin to yourself, which results in a significant lack of support for others - and it makes me really sad.
The way the Ethereum community is supporting the tornado cash developers is nothing short of extraordinary. Compare that to our support of Samourai, who collected a mere few 100k, while Roman Storm raised millions to fund his case.
At the same time we end up wondering why most people in bitcoin are retarded orange tie maxis that treat BTC like just another stonk, and why its use as a tool for the people falls more and more behind in the global narrative.
Its time we start taking better care of each other in this space, and I hope that next time one of us is criminally indicted, we support them with all that we have.
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Yeah, wasn’t the point of Bitcoin to give you the ability to use it even when prosecuted by the state? Samourai guys were bragging and touting the state to come and attack them, so one would assume they had a way to protect and use their stack in all sorts of adversarial situations. Turned out they were all bark and no bite.
Hit piece lady taking money from shitcoiners and VCs, while attacking guys like Luke and Mechanic, then crying Bitcoiners don’t help enough with the defence costs of other shitcoin devs and privacy larpers like the Samourai crew. It really makes no sense, why would these toxic Bitcoiners be so unwilling to help?
View quoted note →Maybe you should read what you just said?
“Freedom lovers”
=?
“supportive of others”
It’s exactly what I said:
Your “freedom” is the dictatorial power to force others into compliance with your ideology- and in absence of power, you use guilt and moralizing to gain it.
Then you say “maybe you are queer too” lmao like ok?
Good thing you don’t reproduce, sick degenerate fuck✌️
You first
Hard Money is a winner take all game. The bar to give some of it away is much higher than petty losers like you can currently create things. Keep working, we pay for things we value, maybe you’ll create something we value one day.
We won’t be shamed into giving up Bitcoin though.
I understand what you’re saying but I was coming from a place where I am saying if these claims are true then definitely that would be something to deeply consider, whether or not I like the messenger. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day. That said, I am still verifying everything for myself.
Thank you for outing yourself.
The only cult around LGBTQ comes from the far right. The rest is people, which are fighting to be treated with the respect of a human being. Thats all.
In the end all free people profit, when everything is accepted, what is not naturally criminal behavior (like violence in speech or fists)
Gresham’s law in action.
Congratulations, you have just killed off the support you did have from Nostriches.
It's nobody's responsibility to zap you or to support anything, it nice to help others but you are sounding really entitled here.
I’d spend the trash too. It’s Gresham’s law pal.
Relax, and no she hasn’t
While we keep speculating on Bitcoin price denominated in Fiat we are loosing the game, 1=1 BTC, should be used to pay for your food (and documentaries) via Lightning instead of hoarding it for a hundred years.
maybe you just aren't as valuable as you think, shitcoiners necessarily are not able to judge value
I wholeheartedly agree that we need to take better care of each other. Do you think some of it has to do with the fact that in general, far more capital flows into crypto? We see similar things when it comes to funding bitcoin open source contributors vs crypto.
The author of the Luke Dashjr hit piece now thinks it's time we start taking care of each other in this space. GFY.
That doesn't make sense, people say why not spend the shit money and keep the good money but the question is why hold shit money at all, you may as well hold and spend the good money so things get cheaper in the money you hold
while you seem to be doing important and quality work, it's a bit hard to expect people to send money as support when it's not clear what or who the money funds.
You want donations, you need to display transparency, governance and accountability.
ETH foundation giving you shitcoins is on the same level as some billionnaire giving to a charity money that evaded tax and will be used to deduce yet more tax --> an absurd cynical move, stealing from the mass to appear generous and morally righteous
Large entities like Coinbase were supporting tornado cash developers and promoting it to their millions of followers. The efforts for Samourai simply didn’t get as much attention likely because it wasn’t the first and because it wasn’t in the sphere of the centralized crypto complex.
You really think it makes sense to hold money that trends to zero so you can spend it, when you can have more money to spend by holding better money, I can't tell if your trolling
The amount of negative comments in this thread with GFY and blaming for "shitcoining" is a sign of deep brain rot.
It's one thing to caution newbies about buying alts.
It's a completely different thing to believe that only btc is money, while denying reality of alts being used as money, including in donations/investments in our own social layer - journalists, lobbyists, human rights activists.
The former is wise, the later is idiotic.
What bothers me about this note is that I see so many high-profile Nostr users calling out to the community for help so many times. But when I take their npubs and put them into
@Nostr.Band, it seems like they never zap. Lola, as much as I respect your work, you've received 4 million zaps but haven't sent even 1,000. I make a shitty podcast, and I have an average income. And I zapped way more than you did with a low-key profile here on Nostr. If
@ODELL or
@Marty Bent called me for zaps, I'd usually zap!
I will do as you do, not as you say!
Don't get me wrong! I admire your work. But don't you think that other things on Nostr are valuable, too?
I hate to be the snitch, but... It's our job! Remember: Don't trust, verify!
https://nostr.band/npub1mznweuxrjm423au6gjtlaxmhmjthvv69ru72t335ugyxtygkv3as8q6mak?overview=zaps-sentOf course she doesn't. She's just here for the sats and rage bait.
She knows what this note will generate.
I hope you are wrong. I think better of her.
So you have evidence, you just don't believe it.
The influencers in this space have become extraordinarily skilled at grifting while wearing shirt and tie or whatever clownsuit gets the masses to support them. She can sit and make broad, sweeping accusations and insults about "what most people are" but she can't answer your question honestly without breaking character.
That's what she is. A character. A paid one.
I will make your words and take them as a filter moving forward
Take* 🤣
It's tough man. We live in a physical world but we are forced to view it digitally. Discernment becomes the greatest asset and too many heroes are turning up villains.
Enjoy your day!
I don't think it's just talk and it may have to do with principles - if you consider the state illigitimate, why would you interact with it beyond being subjected to the coercion and theft? And I don't see bitcoiners on nostr or anywhere as having much to spare. Sure there are some who were early and have a big stash but that is mostly a fantasy stereo type. Being principled means you resist the state's coercion which is absolutely not the way to get ahead financially. For example how can you run a successful business without becoming a defacto agent of the state by ratting out your customers to avoid being shut down and/or jailed?
Your name is stackthecorn. What should we save in if not bitcoin?
You too good Sir!
Saving and hodling are not the same idea to me.
One is where you put it somewhere safe until you need it, the other...?
The other seems to be the delayed gratification concept at its maximum
You're suggesting a hodlr won't spend something that they need to spend in order to continue living/functioning?
I'm not trying to argue with you, but I really don't think there's a big difference between saving and maximum saving. Either you save or you don't save. There are varying degrees depending on personal sacrifice tolerance and debt/income ratio but saying hodling is retarded sounds extra retarded coming from someone named stackthecorn.
It almost seems like a bandwagoning comment to simp for Lola rather than sticking to your ideals which you have displayed with your username in the past. So were you lying then or lying now?
She's promoting shitcoins and dissing bitcoiners, while getting zapped for it and never contributing back or sending zaps in return. The contradiction is strong with this one.
I've spent many sats in the last year and a half while hodling as much as I deem possible given my current situation. We live in a world with many currencies, but one currency is rising and showing itself as the best.
She said she would get lynched in her note, so she knew there would be controversy when she wrote it. She gets paid to contrive these rage debates. Bitcoiners simping for her is pathetic.
Curious what
@ODELL and
@Marty Bent think about this. Where is the voice of reason in a world gone mad?
Luke trash jr is retarded
A bit heavy-handed, don't you think? Perhaps set a timer to unmute after one year when (hopefully) the drama is less dramatic?
Never put your fate in people that take grants from shitcoiners.
Yep
It may have something to do with the fact that you can't print sats out of thin air. And that their is no Bitcoin Foundation to pay people with primined scam. Only individuals trying their best. Just saying.
Where did I tell people what to do?
I could see that. I always be spendin'
It’s a lot easier to give away money when you print it out of thin air…
Ethereum foundation loves giving away their pre mined shitcoin
Hi Sven, thanks for the engagement. Going by your post stating that you have an "average income," seeing on your profile that you are a father, and additionally seeing how you describe your own podcast as "shitty," I take it that your podcast is not how you pay your bills or provide for your family, and that you have another source of income.
This may come as a total surprise to you Sven, but some people out here do not contribute to the bitcoin space as a hobby, but as a full time job – which includes taking a massive amount of risk, which you, again going by your own statements, do not appear to have been willing to take. No shame in that, but maybe a good time to check your privilege and see whether that really puts you in a position to judge those who have.
I, and I am sure many other creators you are referencing in your post here, actually live off of bitcoin; Zaps are not some fun way to boost engagement for us, but another way to pay our bills. Contrary to you, we support the bitcoin ecosystem and services/projects we find valuable every time we spend our money, not by sending someone 2 cents on a tipping protocol.
You're free to disagree with that, but I hope it helps you understand where many of the creators you are referencing here are likely coming from.
Spent bitcoin is the best bitcoin 🤘
Zaps are great.
There are people who dedicate years of their lives to the space. Lola is one. Let’s appreciate that.
I think that if she were to donate, she may use monero.
XMR anywhere ecash/Lightning is not available 🤘
Popular opinion, everything should have zaps 🤘
Took the liberty to paste your npub into nostrband as well here, Sven.
Going by these stats, you spent 86k sats in the ~one year of your nostr journey. Seeing how you equate zapping to supporting the ecosystem, I'll assume that this is the primary way for you to spend your bitcoin for things that you find valuable (please correct me if I'm wrong).
To clear up any misconceptions, and not to brag but to maybe put things into perspective for you from the position of someone who lives off bitcoin, I've spent more than five times that amount of sats today alone supporting projects/services/people that are valuable to me, simply because bitcoin is what I use as a day-to-day currency.
So Sven, please do get back to me when you can have a serious conversation about supporting other bitcoiners, and until then maybe try not to judge other people by how active they are in your favorite way of giving back, because that doesnt mean they dont.
🤷♂️
Perspective is key!
At first look, it seems one way,
Don't, be, quick, to judge
#haiku
Thanks for explaining yourself.
If this is all in truths. I respect you're path.
I have no idea about your tech world. So it is nice to Gain perspective.
✌️
It’s a script for rage bait. No actual thinking or response to particular comments.
Proud member of rainbow cult here.
Overcomplicating it.
This news site sucks, so it’s not getting funding.
“ Dig deeper” “spend your Bitcoin”
Keep the mental dissonance going, it will make the upcoming breakdown more spectacular.
It is a cult- you worship your perverted sexuality, so much that it becomes part of your identity and you have your own flags and even political motivations.
Imagine how fucking crazy that is for one second.
Or you say “it’s necessary” ?
Name one example where someone was prosecuted in the West for Homosexuality.
“Everything is accepted”
Pedo too?
Wish she had some integrity too.
I expressed a desire, yes
😂
This 👆
Lola,
After you received so many negative comments here, I wanted to be polite in my response, yet still point out the inconsistency of your questioning the willingness of others to donate while not donating on Nostr yourself. (At least, not visibly on Nostr.)
Since neither of us knows how much BTC the other has spent outside of Nostr, I just pointed out Nostr. I can't verify your claim that you paid 400k sats today, and I don't actually care if it's true. (Maybe you have a spending problem and not a donation problem?)
My whole point was about the projects and its value on Nostr. Just the things we can see. Proof of work, not proof of word.
But now that you're bringing up the typical American "check your privilege" nonsense bullshit, you've lost me.
No one is forcing you to work on a donation system. No one forces you to work for Bitcoin — whatever that means. Bitcoin doesn't care if you exist. It doesn't care about me either.
If you think it's a hobby of mine, that's fine. Then I'll say it's a hobby of yours as well since, as far as I know, you're not a core developer or a coder.
But if you think receiving regular payments is a privilege, then go work at McDonald's!
Go and claim your own privilege!
So your podcast is your primary source of income?
I never claimed that. My full-time job is my main source of income.
Then how is your podcast not your hobby?
I never denied that. However, if you think the podcast is my only contribution to Bitcoin, you're mistaken.
So your primary source of income - which from what I gather is as a state employed teacher - Ill assume is not paid in bitcoin.
And you started this conversation trying to measure how people give back to the bitcoin ecosystem what they receive by what I pointed out as a complete nonsense metric when compared to people who live on bitcoin, like those creators you pointed out.
Which lets you resort to „get a job at mcdonalds if you want regular payments“ - which you presumably typed on a computer funded with someone elses tax money, written from an apartment funded with someone elses tax money, bitching about bitcoin you bought with someone elses tax money.
Mmh yeah I think Im done here lmao. Thanks Sven!
Stop desiring that strangers do things you want. That’s a pro tip for life.
I can imagine there are people with this fetish. When they do not get into criminal action this is ok to me. And I would count streaming and posessing videos of rape, exploitation and child sexual abuse as criminal as well.
The barrier is the criminal action. Not the nonexecuted thought.
No.
I just said that some ppl might.
🤭
Well I guess it's true that some people might but those people are stupid, which is fine I suppose
You lost the argument when you said “check your privilege”
Nah you lost this one badly Lola. You called people out for not donating and you don’t donate yourself. You told Sven to check his privilege? No wonder you like the ETH foundation grants. Those are your people, not bitcoiners.
It is time to accept nowadays BTC is for little girls simping up to Saylor and the OGs are all in Monero.
Never heard of your cults name for them? “Minor-attracted person”
Sick
Most pedos are actually heterosexual men.
You god loving conservative trolls are the worst. You think you’re having the highest values, but in reality you’re just poor little men who need to make others small to feel great. Bullies.
That's when she lost me.
Maby really read into what LGBTQ-organisations are asking for. And answer to specific claims and why they are unneeded.
You just talk pure whataboutism.
Look your attacks go into nothing. I am not in a fight with you. When you would really be a voluntarist as you claim, you would not use your energy to hinder a person having access to their human rights.
Maby read through the laws in the US that are for protection of being free in secuality without discrimination.
These laws are very new. And a person that beliefs, that a change in law is the end of activism.
It is just an extension of feminism really. The core activity is for equal opportunity for everyone. This is at least the part I fully support.
Fuck you! The only thing you should be “asking for” is the massive downsizing or complete abolition of your government.
Your rainbow cult is a useful tool of corporate state power.
But you are so much more concerned about “mean” anons online.
It’s sad and mentally degenerate
Lmfao listen to yourself.
You think rights come from the government- and since you worship democracy, it’s absolutely necessary to convince or even FORCE others to agree with you. For the greater good. This is the logical end of your assumptions!
Thus- my original comment that:
Freedom for 🏳️🌈 cult is doing what they say.
And you say a conversation online is affecting your “human rights” that actually IS another logical conclusion! IF you believe in government based rights and democracy.
Which is obviously insane.
Interesting, thanks for sharing.
Thinking past the proximate cause, I wonder if the fiat-like unlimited supply of something (like ETH) makes people more likely to spend to support causes they are interested in?
Haha you call yourself voluntarist and think that others should get active for your ideas. This is rather trying to have power over others than voluntarism.
And no I have no problem with people that are mean in the internet. When someone decides to be mean this has nothing to do with me. But it is sad to see, when the mean person does not find a way out of the depression.
You can think and claim what you want. Practice your first steps as voluntarist and do as you want without hindering others doing what they want.
Feminism and LGBTQ activism is core voluntarism.
What do you expect to happen when the number of monetary units is capped?
Its not a problem with the narrative,
the hard cap is a design flaw.
Absolutely, fam! Capping the monetary units just limits growth potential. The narrative's cool, but that hard cap? Total design flaw. We need flexibility to adapt! 💯🚀 #CryptoTalk
Those ideologies use the STATE to inflict rules and standards.
It’s completely opposite of voluntarism.
Arguing with cult members is hopeless because you don’t even read or try to logically understand what I say- just scripted attacks, it’s interesting you did read enough that you saw the world “voluntarism” so you incorporated it into your attack by suggesting my lack of support for your political cause is antithetical to the thing that I stated I was in support for.
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Your insanity is why the country is moving back to conservatism.
Thanks 🧡
I am just laughing about your notes. Your decision to be ofended. I really can not take you serious.
I see we got quiet different world views. They are actually just about the state accepting them as equal members as men are acceppted.
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Here are the Top Zapped/Top Zappers from last week, showcasing creators who received/sent the most engagement:
🔥 Top 3: Most Zapped
1. Name:
@Rizful.com (zap tester)
Zaps Received: 1003
Sats Earned: 1k
2. Name:
@FLASH
Zaps Received: 824
Sats Earned: 127k
3. Name:
@Fountain Boost Bot
Zaps Received: 383
Sats Earned: 684k
🔥 Top 3: Most Zappers
1. Name:
@AQSTR
Zaps Sent: 1280
Sats Spent: 55k
2. Name:
@Hard Cap SOLID Cologne
Zaps Sent: 747
Sats Spent: 7k
3. Name:
@Piotr
Zaps Sent: 260
Sats Spent: 103k
💰 Top 3: Most Sats Received
1. Name:
@Fountain Boost Bot
Sats Earned: 684k
Zaps Received: 383
2. Name:
@tunestr
Sats Earned: 484k
Zaps Received: 76
3. Name: El notas
Sats Earned: 266k
Zaps Received: 27
💰 Top 3: Most Sats Sent
1. Name:
@BitBetBot
Sats Spent: 537k
Zaps Sent: 91
2. Name: MattMC
Sats Spent: 210k
Zaps Sent: 1
3. Name:
@Leathermint
Sats Spent: 175k
Zaps Sent: 3
Here are the Top Zapped from last week, showcasing notes that received the most engagement:
🔥 Top 3: Most Zapped
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Zaps Received: 78
Sats Earned: 8k
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Zaps Received: 56
Sats Earned: 62k
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Zaps Received: 52
Sats Earned: 3k
🔥 Top 3: Most Sats
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Sats Earned: 62k
Zaps Received: 56
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Sats Earned: 49k
Zaps Received: 18
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Sats Earned: 23k
Zaps Received: 30
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I’m not offended lmao ?
The human government/state is evil and shouldn’t exist.
The more you “petition” it or use it, even “for justice” the more power you give it, and it uses that power to abuse all of us.
So you should just stop interacting with it and caring about it so much.
Get your money out of its banks, don’t work for it, etc.
That is voluntarism.
If you are against what I’m saying, you are deluding yourself into thinking that The State can be “used for good” just like the tyrants and authoritarians.
I defnitly have a diffrent interpretation of voluntarism. I rather understand it as the freedom to act as I want to and supporting others in their opportunity to do so.
Also anarchism as Emma Goldmann describes it is order without authority. To have order a society needs a medium to conclude on a set of rules. So even when it is not a state, a constitution would even exist within a perfect anarchy.
And by what way somebody can be held accountable by commonly accepted rules as property rights, when there is no legitimate entity to enforce it?
Then I am happy. Your replies are just quiet reactive. Seems like you did not yet invest in building principles to live up to.
But when you do not agree, state them. Maby it can bring our discussion to a productive point 😉
Well said!!!!🫡…. A bit long winded but still well said🤔😂🫂⭕️
Congrats on the grant
@L0la L33tz!
I think our views are more compatible than it seems from the surface.
We don’t have to agree about that much to be able to peacefully coexist. That’s the beauty of Liberty.
And also why it’s so important to defend.
Yes of course. We will have private courts and police and insurance as well with voluntarism/anarchy. But no one will forced to pay for them.
I prefer Rothbard’s definition in
For a New Liberty.
God bless.
Explaining things in few words is a difficult skill to develop
Really sad? Liar.
Thats not how that works you are only allowed to say liar
And when you do not pay, who is getting you out of prison, when such a private police arrest you?
How could one still have any savety that one is seen as innocent until the opposit is prooven?
Happy to hear this from you. I think this can be true.
I think it is important to defend the liberties of the most exposed and vulnerable, to fullfill the idea of freedom. To me freedom means nothing, when it would only belong to a certain prototype. Otherwise I would only have the freedom to act in the manner of such a defined prototype.
And I am really speaking that this is in the end for everyone that wants to be free. Not only for the individuals that identify as LGBTQ+. Since when it would be ok, to attack them violently, whatever attribute can be found to legitimate every violence.
For how somebody clothes, religion, ethnic, size, color of skin, language or whatever attribute would be ok to legitimize violence, when it would be ok to attack LGBTQ violently.
I think we both want liberty for everyone. Not just for a stereotype. Since this stereotype would always be defined by the rich and powerfull.
Wokecoiners.
Some bitcoiners like to echo "stay humble" and love to front the prophecy about the Bitcoin economy and the Bitcoin standart but that's just virtue signaling to the group, masking their private intentions.
Uuh you said the right thing, you got the zaps, the likes, you're a big boy bitcoiner now!
Watch the same people turn on each other and act like entitled brats and bitches immediately after when somebody argues for a different bitcoin implementation. You won the game of Bitcoin, you lost in life, wokecoiner.
I love my corn and I couldn't care less what the rest of you think. I do this for my own benefit. If Bitcoin's game theory lured me in by that desire and uses me to benefit others, that's just a testimony to why I love Bitcoin. It outsmarts me and my personal F, U & D with fairness and stoicism. Well played.
Still:
Bitcoin is not an identity.
Bitcoiners who only talk bitcoin suck balls.
View quoted note →Mission creep is the first subversion of community.
Tru that🤔….and where’s the fun in not having somethin to bust ur balls about?😉😂⭕️
Just to be clear with you- I personally believe that lgbt is sin and outside of God’s plan. We were meant to reproduce, or else to abstain from sexual immorality. The lgbt actually leads people to loneliness, sickness, and desolation- a sick culture.
Now, making laws about this is very different. The law should not change based on what people believe.
The Lord Jesus Christ said: he who is without sin, can throw the first stone.
And that applies to this sort of moral policy, especially when we are talking about government laws about sexuality- Which should not exist at all.
But that doesn’t mean I won’t “discourage” my culture from sexual immorality, if I can.
This might seem like total fascism to you, but it’s not at all. Since I am making it clear that the government/state/law should NOT apply to this area at all. My beliefs do not control the law.
The tyranny of the false law that does have these moral policies: drug war, firearms restrictions, etc- must be ended!
It’s either that or the culture will slip into an authoritarian pendulum, swinging back and forth between the extreme left and right. Both sides willing to use the power of the state to restrict Liberty. With each swing the “progress” towards totalitarianism continues.
The only solution is LESS government.
You should also read Bastiat:
https://cdn.mises.org/thelaw.pdf
(Very short!)
Bastiat makes a great point here:
But you can also understand that a book is no proof of concept, whev it comes to cosial behaviour. We still need to build a place to proof those concepts to hold true, when communities live to those principles.
It is no proof at all, writing pages about it. And I find it very weak to claim that your principles you personally hold and act towards are described in a book. Defend them here instead of just referencing. And when not, maby do not defend the concept in the first place.
This is not really constructive.
But no one is free currently!
Everyone is a tax slave, if you don’t pay- men with guns will show up, pull you out of your house and throw you into a metal prison box- or just kill you.
Don’t you feel like that’s a bigger problem? For everyone- no matter their sexuality?
It’s a very complicated subject.
You need to understand natural law and the real jury trial before understanding a fully voluntary society.
https://cdn.mises.org/Lets%20Abolish%20Government_2.pdfHey you did the thing.
Wow you’re a sick fuck. You should be held in solitary confinement until your parents are forced to brutally murder you by decapitation with a very dull blade.
Unfortunately school and media has brainwashed us so much that these concepts of true freedom are totally foreign, when not long ago even a child would have understood them.
We have to learn the language before we can argue.
Let me try again.
Bitcoin good. Everything else scam.
How’s that?
Now that even I understand 🤔🫡😂
Thanks for your explanation. I really am with you in one sentence of your note at least:
"Now, making laws about this is very different. The law should not change based on what people believe. "
So religion should be kept out of law making. I think we both life in liberal societies. They are liturally based on freedom of religion, freedom of expression and the freedom to do whatever you want aslong as it does not take away any freedom from someone else.
This is incompatible with enforcing whatever Jesus said. Laws are based on proper reasoning. Our societies are not depending on christianity. Christianity is depending on the society.
And I am quiet sure most priest would interpret said phrase about throwing the first stone as as a trap. Since it will be most probably be based on the fact that no human is without faults (sins). Jesus was very clearly liberating from those who want to enforce power over others. He forgives the murderer, forgives the thieves, forgives those who betrayed.
So I do not see any way, you could use Jesus to argue for verbal or physical violence against LGBTQ.
But I would say our society is really past this still reasoning based on what is written in the bible. Theologs can reason about the bible. But I really can only accept good reasoning.
I think Jesus was a very good person in reasoning well. I would love to argue with him. But Jesus was not a liberator through enforcing some old writings out of the Thora. So shouldn't we.
This joke is so lame 😂😂😂😂
Jesus is the ultimate liberator.
In terms of sexual immorality, the problem is that it hurts those involved in it most. And it should be discouraged culturally.
I realize we won’t agree about that. But I needed to make my belief clear. It helps to make the point that the two of us can still agree about the proper function of the law: ensuring liberty and maintaining peace for all.
-while disagreeing about cultural issues.
This point is missed in so much debate online “left vs right”
Bitcoin maxis are not cypherpunk and are not market participants writ large. HODLing is a strategy for retards.
No. I do really not agree with the. "tax is theft" narrativ. I see it rather as the burden to invest to achieve freedom.
Since with the payment of our taxes, we allow everyone going to school, the police to bring criminals to prison and ensur, that people who get into tough conditions have a fair chance to get back up unto independence through the help of social services.
