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There are many cases where people should not have children. Economic, genetic, inability to provide to start with a few. Simply not wanting any is also fine. If you’re ok with your bloodline ending that’s a choice that should be respected.
I agree with you and disagree. My fiance doesn’t want children. I am indifferent. And what I’ll say is - if you want to see things improve. Fewer people having kids is a net positive. Think of it like one step back to take two steps forward, if we don’t eff it up before then.
Sounds weird to apply to reproduction - but we desperately need to take a step back and rediscover ourselves.
So don’t be mean to those that are just here temporarily. Just let em be. Just focus on laying the groundwork for others to not repeat our mistakes.
The view that everyone should strive for marriage and children seems very centric to your identity and circumstances (male, well off, good access to resources, safe environment, economic stability). Unfortunately not everyone has these privileges. It's good to be able to think outside of your own identity and try to understand the circumstances of others, otherwise you just come off as a privileged asshole. Try telling someone with a hereditary predisposition for a very high likelihood of a deadly disease to have children... Or a woman who who has been in abusive relationships to get married. Or someone living in a constant area of conflict to raise a kid so they can be shot by a drone while praying in a tent. It's dumb. No, not everyone needs to have children. Consider your own circumstances and decide what's right for you.
"Have Mormon levels of kids"
- Tucker Carlson
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So just comment on poverty and throw in some childish insults is your response? Cool story bro.
Everyone needs to study a little developmental psychology. We are meant to strive for our potential just like every blade of grass in the field. And for humans, that potential includes making babies and striving for a deep connection with a mate. Is it hard? Yes. Will it drive you crazy sometimes? Yes. Will it forge character and give you an amazing highlight reel before you shuffle from this plane of existence? You’re damn right.
I like you bro but It’s pretty fucking retarded that you think privilege is a real thing.
No disagreement there. If you can, you should. I’m definitely for it having 2 of my own.
How do you think the human species evolves though, or stays fit? It's not for the unfit lol
There are more losers than I would have thought among us on NOSTR Hodl.
So many are butthurt by your message about children and marriage.
Maybe it’s because you’re ’telling them’ most people don’t like being told what to do.
I didn’t wants kids until I had them. If you’d told me before I had them I would have said ‘you don’t know me, you don’t know how I feel about it’.
Rather than telling people that they should do something just tell them how great it makes ‘you’ feel. Even more powerful, if like me, you can tell them ‘I was the same as you and I was wrong’.
Might be time for a firmware patch.😁
Yeah but it's very difficult to find a good wife, and my financial position isn't ideal.
I would If I could but given the current circumstances I don't think it's happening.
best decision of my young life 100% so much more focused, driven, & satisfied
Races and nations which sterilize themselves with contraceptives, fake females and fake males, sex perversion, late marriage for women, and anti-natal ideas soon cease to exist.
Your life does not belong to you. You are the latest link in a chain forged over millennia by the suffering of your ancestors. You don’t have the right to be “indifferent” to forging a new link in that chain. You have an obligation to everyone that came before you, who suffered to put you here, to put a new link in that eternal braid leading back to prehistory. Don’t be an idiot, this woman is bringing a final death of total obliteration to your family lineage. She was made fo da streets.
It isnt right for everyone.
Anyone who signs a state-created marriage contract is a complete fool and cuck.
If you do not have children - you have quite literally failed at life.
Fundamentally - The purpose of life is to reproduce.
Every one of us descended from a million year continual chain of reproduction. Seems pretty sad to break the streak but some decide to 🤷♂️
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The fact that this is even a discussion is ridiculous!! Humanity has spoken in action out of necessity for this while some dumb idiots have to make it a debate. Oh well…
There are other valid vocations like the priesthood and religious life. Our job as to discern the vocation God has called for us.
Cultures don't need to be sustained. They should die regularly to preserve individuality.
Only someone who has it would think it does not exist.
Pickleball: where middle-aged men convince themselves they’ve rediscovered athleticism.
I have a wife and kids already, I don't have time for pickleball!
Be fruitful and multiply is a command directly from the creator of the universe. To refuse is to disobey God.
Look at me being a fool and a cuck with a great life lol
It literally is
The blockchain of humanity. Totally agree. Think of all the sacrifices it took to bring your life into existence. To end that unbroken chain because you like sitting around playing video games and smoking weed is just… meaningless is an understatement.
God created the institution Marriage, one men one woman become one flesh.
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View quoted note →return to hard money will allow humans to be fruitful and multiply
We see things a little differently.
I believe in something else that I can’t explain. But I respectfully disagree. Maybe something will change in the future. But I’m happy and confident with where my feet and mind are now. Wishing you and your family the best.
When you start approaching double digits the commotion makes it a little hard to focus sometimes...
But a large Christian family is more than worth the effort and sacrifices.
Oh no a typo on the internet, the horror
This is the way
Privilege is nonsense rhetoric based on jealousy, greed and covetousness.
If you want what someone else has, go work for it and earn it like they did.
None of this demanding to be included in their wealth, status, and glory, without doing anything of merit yourself.
None of this equal redistribution of those same things in the name of "equity ." Earn you wealth, status and glory for yourself.
Out with the woke cultural Marxist DEI nonsense. Out with all forms of forced collectivism.
In with individual free agency and MEI. (Merit, Excellence and Intelligence)
To be honest, pickleball is pretty shitty 🤣
Are you approaching double digits?
Truth
If you do not want to reproduce, you are not healthy.
Yes. My wife and I, along with about half of our family members, including extended families, tend to have 8-12 children. It's a huge family.
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in many places of this earth having children is giving a collateral to the state and being sheep, there's no life only survival instincts left.
think twice and look further to the horizon when you give your godly life advice to others. not everyone is having a multi-sig cold 10year old cold wallet at home.
View quoted note →Isaac Newton was apparently brainwashed.
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The lashback comes from totally different experiences and how misaligned incentives are, mostly caused by fiat in one way or another. Countless examples, but here's a few:
- Women often get more perceived value out of divorce than they do by staying married. The risk a guy takes by marrying is extreme.
Yeah, there's prenups and shit but there's plenty of inexperienced men that don't even consider this at first. So they get screwed and either say "fuck bitches" or they attempt to understand why it happened.
On the other hand, for women, there's hardly a risk by marrying.
Either she gets a husband she's satisfied with, or she divorces and gets half his shit.
Can't blame them for doing what's in their best interest.
- Men increasingly struggle to be a good provider (non-bitcoiners at least), which lowers the woman's attraction to him.
- Men don't know how to be men anymore, this happened through various ways of propaganda, even from their own family, unwittingly. This ofcourse also lowers his woman's attraction to him, and if a woman loses a certain amount of attraction, the relationship is as good as finished.
These are just a few off the top of my head.
Besides all of this, you are one of the very few "lucky" ones in a happy long-term relationship even though it's not about luck. But this is how it's perceived and it invites the responses you mentioned. Underneath these responses lie envy, rationalised by "it's not for everyone".
Maybe, or it’s an incentive response to a broken system and/or years of that system breaking down. I love my kids and hope I would have had them even if I was poor, but I can’t say for sure.
Raising children should be held as an ideal and a universal priority.
Not everyone can do it, but everyone should understand the importance through culture.
How dare you...
Some men and women that become parents never mature or give up the trivialities. Those folks should not have had kids. How much worse is it to find out once those poor babies are here?
I whole heartedly agree, but i don’t mind if these people don’t procreate.
Building a family and having children is the ultimate low time preference activity. I see the joy and happiness in my wife’s grandmother’s eyes when we visit her with kids. That’s the happiness I look forward to. Not the dread of being alone and forgotten in an old people’s house with no visitors because everyone who knew me are all long dead.
Nothing makes sense without children. Not even Bitcoin.
Especially if you’re white. We’re heading for extinction at this point.
Sorry i will not bow to the pussification of society.
Lol wrong app
Hm?
White people are going extinct ? Didn't anyone teach you manners? Try cutting your skin youll bleed red. But you can choose arrogance and ignorance instead . Build that hateful world for the future generations.
A friend said once. Have a child it will change your life forever and enrich it, reduce it but on the whole will be better, or you can not have one - have a more selfish life. I feel enriched.
Not everyone can have children, so we cannot judge them and those choosing not to may do in their next lifetime.
Contribute to humanity.
Being white isn’t hateful. It’s love. Sorry you’re misled.
It's may be the anti-human demon speaking through them.
Yes, birth rates are close to or below replacement in many western countries. That’s why I suggested it is especially important for those people to have more children.
I’m not sure what manners, blood, arrogance, ignorance or hate have anything to do with what I said. Not wanting one’s race and culture to disappear is normal.
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This is genuinely such a deluded take. It’s ironic you’re calling it an emotional response but this entire post is also an emotional response lol
It also sounds incredibly insecure to try to force other people to have kids while you’re trying to convince everyone you have a great life by making that choice… If you truly had that you wouldn’t need to flaunt it and try to make others make the same decision you did. Most people that HAVE kids shouldn’t have even had kids, they’re awful parents
He is telling you you can't have a meaningful life without having children.
He is simply telling you the truth.
Cope all you want, if you don't make it happen you will become miserable in your forties
its y'all that sound insecure
its always the ones telling people "what you really want is" who are compensating.
Such a ludicrous statement. Great men of faith have lived extraordinarily meaningful lives without ever having children. Your identity should not be based on whether or not you have children, nor should you believe you are better than other people simply for having kids, that’s insane.
And I’m not coping at all, I’m pointing out the irony. His entire post was literally an emotional rant so HE could cope. He needs to act as if every single individual should have kids just to justify the fact that he decided to have kids. Happy people don’t go around trying to convince everyone they’re happy lol
I'm a specialist.
One of a handful of people in the world who can do what I do. And I am still refining my craft.
If I had to budget years of my life to a family, it would be impossible for me to reach this level of proficiency, let alone where I *want to get to.
Everybody makes choices. GFY.
It’s just a huge amount of cope on their end. They have to repeatedly say it’s amazing so when the screaming won’t stop or they raised a lil shit they can tell themselves it’ll all be fine.
People become adults once they get over their selfishness and stupidity and devote their lives to something greater than themselves.
That *tends* to happen when they have kids, but it doesn't happen automatically.
kinda.
kids are wonderful and theres obviously a psyop to prevent people from having strong, fulfilling family relationships.
because it makes them dependant on the state.
but that doesn't mean AH isn't full of shit.
elicit
You're welcome.
For what it's worth I cant speel.
HODL will not be achieving enlightenment anytime soon
You can rest assured that he will suffer through at least one more lifetime, and in the next lifetime, he ain't gonna be this loaded.
Talk about a missed opportunity.
You can ignore reality, HODL, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.
Apparently HODL never watched The Big Short or read Mark Twain.
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
He thinks he knows something., but he lacks logic, humility, and compassion, so what he thinks he knows just ain't so.
Case in point: 1-2% of infertility cases are the result of sterility, meaning no possible chance of conception.
He earned sats though and got attention and feels validated.
He doesn't give a fuck about the edge cases.
He doesn't care to consider that other people are contending with unique circumstances that he is not and it is not his place to judge them.
Unless they serve his goals, they're not really people to him.
It's not necessarily an emotional response. It's basic intelligence. There are people who should not have children simply because they can, for various reasons. Can that change? Sometimes. Sometimes not. It takes quite a large amount of arrogance to claim that you know what is the core of everyone's existence and what they should or shouldn't do, especially when it concerns something as serious as having children. I think you're confusing the response to your arrogance with brainwashing or an aversion to people reproducing. We get it. You love having children. Wonderful! That doesn't mean everyone should have them. I see multiple examples of such people every shift I work in the emergency department. I'm sure there are many other examples.
For some reason, many people want to force this topic to one end of two extremes and it's senseless.
to be fair, being unfit for parenting kinda makes you unfit for civil society also tho.
I am sure you have a fulfilling life, and won't argue that there is just one path for everyone. I was just interpreting what I was reading.
But, as someone who was happy with their life prior and at peace in a scenario that didn't include children, I can say I feel truly blessed and thank God for allowing me the opportunity to raise a daughter with a wonderful woman.
That's wonderful.
I'm sure I would be a very happy parent also 🙏
So true
Why do you think you exist?
Maybe we’re thinking about different levels of poor
Perhaps.
I do find it funny those that promote individual sovereignty the most also push that there is a certain way to live. We are all contradictions.
Respect the work you all do.
They are not selfish, they are morons. We'll foot the bill.
The amount of cope I see in the comments from the "no, it's not for everyone, I'm very happy with my choices" crowd is hilarious.
Its objective reality that there is in fact an optimal way to live. Though I respect your right to reject that way of life.
A lazy take in my opinion. Sure, for most people having children is the "maturity trigger", but think for a while and test your hypothesis against all sorts of monastics, saints, political leaders and philosophers throughout history.
Good armchair quarterbacking there. Once you become a father, you'll know what I mean. Not before.
There are many answers to this and several ways to take the question, but I'll assume you're going for the predictable and feeble "gotcha" route where I say my parents had sex. If not, you can be more specific.
My existence still doesn't mean everyone should have children. That's not a real argument. There is no ethical or moral duty to have children and some people are wholly unequipped for the tasks that come after the sex part (leaving the burden to others). My parents irresponsibly had me when they shouldn't have and it resulted in a horrible childhood for me. It happened. I've made the best of it. I love life now. But that doesn't mean they *should* have, only that they could and did by accident. Not every experience is as rose colored as yours, and not everyone is in your position. There are a multitude of reasons any number of people should not have children (or keep having them after discovering horrible genetic conditions, as was the case with a uncle and friend of mine), regardless of your inability to acknowledge or accept that reality.
Probably I will in the coming couple of years, but I don't think it makes a difference to my argument. It takes just a little bit of looking around to notice that there are a lot of very immature parents and many instances of extremely wise childless people.
Pointing out exceptions proves the rule.
I never said anything about wisdom. I'm referring to overall maturity, time preference being one example of that. One can be wise without being mature.
I had a bad childhood too, it’s incorrect to assume I had a “rose colored”experience. I’m not denying that outliers exist, but most people should be having children.
I agreed that what you said in your OP is probably true for most people. However, I don't see how you can be wise without being mature, but I don't really want to argue about definitions.
I meant with having children. You're clearly in love with the idea and that's great. But you're making some assumptions about others in your thinking too.
I'm sorry you had a bad childhood. That can be turned into a gift by *some* people when they become parents, but that still doesn't mean my parents should have had children when they did in the state they did. It doesnt negate the wrong before it just because one does it better when they do it.
You are acting like having children is a niche lifestyle choice I’ve made that I’m trying to rope others into like some kind of cult, when in reality it is the default since the beginning of time.
Our culture has been destroyed by propaganda. Catholics have it right. Make babies, they are a blessing.
So you’re mad at your parents for your existence?
I think I've made it clear that I think people should have children if they want to and can bare the responsibility of it. My only real issue with your position is that everyone *should.* You just arrogantly make that blanket statement like it is so obviously true and then reduce disagreement to emotional based responses. Sure, most humans have some emotion. I have plenty. But this is an issue that should involve reason as well. And I find it irrational and unreasonable to just proclaim that everyone should have children, when I've so clearly seen examples of where that is not true. That's my stance on it.
I'm not mad at my parents for anything. Even if I was, that still doesn't mean they should have had children when they did, in the state they did. You're trying to distract from my actual argument.
I realize that they simply should not have had children when they did, in the state they did. They were mentally ill drug addicts who absolutely should not have had children in that situation. They weren't even bad people. They were just sick and could hardly help themselves, much less a child. Maybe they didn't have the presence of mind to even rationally consider reproduction. That's fine. But you'd be standing by their bed telling them that they SHOULD do it and that's what I have a problem with. You keep trying to distract from that but I'm not going to let you. There are people on this earth who should not have children.
I think it’s a good thing that you exist. I’m glad they had you. I’m glad you’re here with us.
Conversely, there are people on this earth who SHOULD have children because they want to and can bare the responsibility of it.
I agree. But that still doesn't mean they should have had me at the time they did, in the state they were in.
If not for their illnesses, I would say it was immoral and unethical. But it just was. Given you seem to be of sound mind and body, cheering them on would have been immoral and unethical, according to my position.
I'm glad you're here too, but that doesn't mean I don't think your position is any less arrogant and out of touch with reality.
If them having you resulted in a good thing then it was a good thing
I don’t care what you think of me bro bro
And this is the fundamental disagreement that we have. I do not think an act is good simply because the victims of it happen to survive, and rarely, thrive.
I don't think it was good that someone kidnapped Adam Walsh from his father simply because his father went on to do good things after. The original wrong was still wrong. John is still a victim. Adam is still a victim. There are still consequences of the evil even if the people involved did something you consider good. You're idea here is basically the underpinning of the idea that it's okay to crack a few eggs for the greater or "common" good. It's an unpredictable and dangerous path to take, even of someone at some point just happens to benefit from it. You can't negate your mess and its consequences simply because someone else chose to clean it up.
I never said you did. You like to make philosophical disagreements personal and I see that it's a total waste of my time. Take care, good luck, and peace to you and your family. ❤️
Some people arent capable of having that type of commitment, and for those situations, it is indeed not for everyone.
On the other end, i think that we should always aim for it, teach the new generation that its important, not only for the human life but also for the values that we all share, and the joy of it.
I’m brand new to this conversation… it’s an interesting topic that I have very mixed feelings about, as a long term married woman with children… particularly on what you said about the risk for women. I think married with kids and married without change the equation. Survival and altruism become very real instincts after having kids. That desire for long term stability in order to care for the children and survive so you can be alive and well to guard your children is about both providership of the monetary kind and also of the emotional kind… I believe. There might be less financial risk for women to marry initially and without children, but after children are conceived, divorce is a risk for women, from my perspective…
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Reducing human existence to nothing more than “survive and reproduce” ignores human agency. That might have been our only viable path thousands of years ago but today we operate with far more sophisticated minds and far broader choices.
And calling every disagreement “brainwashing” isn’t an argument. It’s just a shortcut to avoid actual debate.
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From what I’ve seen of the countering side, it’s not an extreme. It’s more of a “maybe we shouldn’t tell people how to live their lives based purely upon anecdotes”. But
@HODL ego so big he can’t even fathom someone wanting to live a different lifestyle than his own.
The thing is i know what it is to not be a parent. You have no idea what it’s like to be one. So only one of us has all the information.
Definitely some people out there that shouldn't reproduce.
you're the one coping, pretending you’re living well when you will die alone with nobody to care for you. All the parties and the sense of importance about your work will fade. It does for everyone in later years. No kids means nobody to see you, and you will be surrounded by foreigners that hate you because nobody had kids.
The window to avoid this fate will close. Your youth will end, and you will regret having thrown away your family’s lineage for dalliances and office politics.
Imagine wanting kids just to force them into servitude to wipe your ass when you’re old.
"He who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the LORD" "Behold, children are a gift of the LORD, the fruit of the womb is a reward."
I love you and very proud of you in all you do, have done and will do in the future! I could have been given a better a better person to enjoy this crazy life with and the future we are building!
The problem is quite the opposite these days. Nobody cares about spelling, grammar or punctuation, and anybody who dares hint at a correction gets smacked down mercilessly.
I totally agree! Ain't freedom grand? It does have its costs, though
