Interesting, remove the states definition of your child:
https://www.notaperson.org/
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Well if they removed their child from anything they wouldn’t have gotten any id from any government and should have not reported the birth to the government…
That website isn’t getting you to opt out it still wants you to do the whole set up a trust thing which is still a government thing…
So in reality it’s hey haven’t done anything to remove the child from government rule…
Amazing!
I didn't entirely understand it myself, but I believe it is removing the ability for the state to apply a definition of your responsibilities of a parent / guardian. Instead restoring the concept of a parent defined by the parent, meaning the state has limited ability to intervene in your child's life.
As for the trust thing, have you looked into the cook islands?
Don't sleep on the next generation. Informed, digitally savvey, and nothing to lose if it all burns to the ground.
When state doesn’t care what you say…
Why do they need a pass port if they aren’t under government control still? Why was that passport even needed?
If you’re not under government control, you don’t need a piece of paper that says you can leave government controlled area…
So the Cook Islands doesn’t have a government that issues things right?
The island issued the trust then?
It’s all issued by government…
I think you've misunderstood what they are trying to achieve.
The state defines your responsibilities as a parent and has authority to intervene if you do not fulfil those obligations.
From what I can tell, this removes this state over reach.
This is different from wanting to travel abroad, which requires a passport and setting up a trust, which requires legal processes.
The first thing she shows you is her child’s passport…
She didn’t change anything…
sounds like horseshit
going to be a run around when their daughter has zero legal framework or recourse for, idk say endowments or inhertance.
also pretty sure these legal frameworks are in place to protect children and have legal/lawful bearing for instances of abuse, mistreatment or other issues. Legally bound versus naturally bound.
In South Africa, people don't have birth certificates, ID's etc. so they are inherently exculded from social services, healthcare and other governmental services, including private banking because they lack documentation.
So good luck to them in the future, when they try to enroll for a bank account, a school board or government assistance. Hell even getting a Tesco card will be a mission.
sounds like those parents don't want any legal responsiblity or the state to enforce such things.
Seems abusive or set up for abuse. "not recognised by the state" is a wild place to be as a child in 2026. No ID, no birth certificate. Perfect for shipping to Epstien island with no legal coursework
100% as it should. There's an aspect of over-reach and then there is an aspect of abuse. So what is it, who will legally save an u18 who has no income, social securities etc.
anyone who seemingly removes protections for children should be looked at twice imo
this is regardless of hypothetical state over-reach
I think you mean she didn't change the thing you were expecting, but that's OK. I'm pretty certain I understand what she changed.
Yes, it can have some theoretical benefits, but an awful lot more real disadvantages too.
Agreed
I think the state would make assumptions, because the exception is unheard of.
The passport and future legal documents would be sufficient to be inside society.
The road leading to our property is private, we own it, but the local council didn't bother to check, so they resurface and repair it regularly.
I think the experience of our road will be a metaphor for the child's future life 😂
nothing like the undocumented getting free tax-payer services! 🤣
I have a hunch that there is more ways to hack the system, similar to this
I have witnessed friends follow the system for looking after the affairs of their aging parents.
I, on the other hand, made certain the system worked the way I wanted it to.
They understood what I was doing, but couldn't bring themselves to follow, because the system told them how it worked.
Yes there is 😂
my obvious question is: what any of that means in practice? Does it for example mean that the child has to pay taxes or not? Is the child eligable for social services or not? And if that makes a child basically of the same status as an illegal migrant
I don't think so, no.
I believe it removes the assumption that the state has powers over your role as a parent.
so if i understand you correctly that would just mean that social services can't ever take their child should something sinister happen (either on the side of parents or on the side of some nefarious actor trying to make trouble for the parents for some reason)? Like im the case of those people on twitch who were 'informing' aka lying to child social services about a couple that they hated and the cpuple had to deal woth police and child services as a result? In this case the couldn't come?
I mean, is that the point or am i missing some other practical result of this?
I am thinking: since a gov office usually want papers issued by another office as a proof of something, what if get that proof, but then also legaly rename yourself at the same time. And if the timing on it is correct, what if you would end up with 2 legal identities, because it slipped through? Or zero identities? You could perhaps get yourself into a legal limbo where you are dead and alive at the same time.
No, I don't think it means this. If a parent harms their child that's still wrong.
i.e. If an adult kills an illegal immigrant, they will still be trailed for murder.
It's more that you have rules and procedures that the state requires you to follow because it is assumed that the state has greater authority over your child than you do.
I get it, in a different scenario, I had a Lasting Power of Attorney for my Alzheimer's suffering father. The LPA caused more problems than it solved. In the end, I stopped admitting that I had it, because it was easier to action things without it.
The child has a passport, it has a legal identity.
This is about defining whether the state has more authority over your child than the parent.
I think its more a case of the state owning that legal identity and therefore issue debt against it (common law) and the parents retaining full legal rights to that legal identity (admrialty or maritime law).
In this case, as a legal identity this child would still pay taxes and receive benefits it's just the state can't count her as legal property (count towards GDP per capita) .
"Statutes do not apply to living beings..."
Tell that to the cops/judge
I watched a video of this kind of shit where a very large man tried telling this to the cops while refusing to comply and they eventually shot him
I think i get the theory. Or even the sentiment behind it.
I just don't understand what it would actually mean for a child in practice. That's where i have difficulties understanding the why of all this procedure
What an incoherent, unclear, handwavy semantic play on words and definitions. Above all, what are the presumed implications?
Yeah some need guidance, others are independent. Depends on the system too, not all are the same.
I mean those that don't want to be shackled by governments can easily migrate to Sudan or Somalia and just live it out there.
We live in a society.
I have a birth certificate somewhere.
I've never seen it, nor used it.
I don't think this will make any difference to the child once they are an adult.
Nor does it make any practical difference day to day. It will probably give them the option to exit bureaucratic processes if they so choose, but they probably won't.
The parents are in charge, not the state.
I removed my shackles without physically migrating.
I might still migrate, but my choice will be based on weather not regimes 😂
I'm glad others are starting to look into this. Governments should leave us alone with their forms. That said, there's a lot to this and not all that simple.
I had a look into not being a citizen of any country, but a free man. It's not all that simple though, as countries do not want to leave you stateless. In theory you can get a blue passport from the United Nations (forget the name of it).
It wasn't all that long ago we didn't these silly "pass ports" to pass through a port.
@SuiGenerisJohn UK version of opting out
Ignoring the passport issue thing. I've just spent over an hour having a look over that website. It is actually the best thing I've read on the subject matter. What they are doing/have done seems legit. A whole lot of faff, but do-able. If they are to be believed (And I've no reason not to), they have actually DONE IT as opposed to theorising about it, like others do.
https://www.notaperson.org/about-freedom-platform
At the bottom of that page they sum it all up and list what they've done/got away with.
To leave the UK tax system, I have to declare the tax system I'm entering 🥹
Also:
you're an outlier Mike! Keir's got his eye on you!
Fucking typical Brit. With curiosity, I clicked and read through and the only thought was "come on guys, it's their, not there"
I've got both my eyes on him 👀
Your / You're / Yore not wrong 😂
Actually, that's not true, my neighbour had to remind me who the prime minister was the other day. I still thought it was Boris 😂
True story
wow Boris Johnson. Wow.
what's he up to these days? still offering tea and biscuits?
I did see him stuck hanging off a zip line, I presume he's still there.
what a character
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I mean, lmfao 
Banks and corporations are part of government by default…
happens all the time
usually ends in fraud
Statists everywhere! 🫣 Not here tho! haha
Without legislative power, the children are protected by the people (which includes the police), who can use common law to justify the lengths they go to in order to protect them.
I noticed that too😂.
Her last name is Jungle
How could I not post this gem of a song?
#musicstr #artstr #Drake #Jungle
We are so predictable
They also use "Labor" somewhere on the website, which I found even more worrying😳.
Likelihood that crunchy chest tattoo girl found the ultimate loophole hack…
mmmmmmm ⚖️
Concerning trends of ignorance
Yes it means that the child is an illegal migrant for all countries. Also means that the child has no residence since they are in said country illegally.
But the bonus is that they don’t have to pay taxes. The downside is that they won’t be making that much money anyway
It is making your child an illegal alien for every country.
But on the bright side, the kid won’t have to pay taxes. On the downside, they most likely won’t be making a lot of money anyway because they are stateless and no one is gonna care for or educate them.
Go start the one world government. Won’t be any need for passports then
Break free from the system
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This is just a video with a passport as a prop. This dumb bitch is just reciting the sovereign citizen liturgy that gets people absolutely legally fucked every day.
Will it? Because I still don't really see how... The more I look at it, trying to be as honest and fair and understanding as possible, the more I come back to what looks to me like it's just some sort of declaration play that one could do at the kitchen table between the two parents alone. But maybe I'm wrong... I've been wrong before :)
It's still quite interesting... and I'm not sure if I should just categorize it as another LARPing session we've got so used to in the last decade or so, or there's something in there ...
Anyway.. thank you for providing it
I don't quite understand the entire significance of what they've done, but I can understand it from a personal context.
While caring for my father as he deteriorated due to Alzheimers, I soon realised that the system was not designed to help. The formal processes we had gone through such as obtaining a "Lasting Power of Attorney" (LPA) actually worked against us.
I ended up understanding the system and how to use it and when to engage and how to engage it.
Friends that did not question authority or process, that were in the same position, ended up having their lives torn apart by authority for various reasons.
Despite them seeing what I was doing, they couldn't bring themselves to do the same, because the government knew better.
i get that. Also sorry to hear about you father. I lost.mine last year through horrible illnesses as well. I am still completely shaken and have been puting my life in order ever since.
You were smart at acting and that's great, but I doubt you went about it through making declarations. You probably learned how to avoid some stuff and not go into process blindly. At least thats my guess. And also my point about actual practical results. You probably didnt blindly signs stuff just because you were told this isbhow it's usually done, they instead made some kind of future abstract declarations about what they wanna do in the presence of 3rd party - the state. The more I think about it thr more it looks to me like making some kind of parental agreement at the notary office and nothing else, except big words make us feel like its something original or big or a real system hack. Instead you were the real system hacker and they were but vloggers dressed in fake importance. I wouldn't be so bothered about it if I didn't see this as a trend of how we learned to 'do' things in the last decade or so. everywhere i look i see similar empty results dressed in big words, dressed as 'help' or altruism and 'true caring' of some kind. Yet as soon as i start thinking what actually happened i get disappointed almost every single time. Its like we've become a culture of LARPers who pretend to be special yet in reality we've just doing rhings of no real value. Compare that to what you've done: you actually went about it and solved the problem best you could - directly. Your actions mattered for real! Maybe it should be you who should make a video and teach people of what youve done based on real results you had. Dammit... now I'm just pissed youre not famous for it :)
Sorry to hear about your father. It's difficult, I know.
Yeah, fame, in this matter, is the last thing I want 😂