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lift 1 year ago
I AM A NOSTR NOOB, TEACH ME WISE ONES I want to love Nostr and use it more. My problem is discoverability - it’s very hard to recreate a social graph + algo that beats Twitter. I see less content here and people see my posts less, so I have fewer conversations. How do I bootstrap the nostr graph without so much drudgery? Help @ODELL @DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 @Lyn Alden @JeffG and anyone else I know in this place

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Hello and welcome. Side note are you using so that all of your Nostr posts also populate your twitter account. Plus there are some relays that will cross post into fediverse and bluesky if you are interested.
Make a fresh anonymous ID on Twitter and one on nostr .. and then compare yourself where you are getting more traction - on the basis of your content rather than the network you already have there .. Mathematically speaking , since Twitter has half a billion users verses say 50 k on nostr .. discoverability is lot harder there .. As for algos ..X algos only help the ones that make more money for them .. you sure don't wanna be in that grind .. and exactly why #nostr is the best ..
Engage for engagement. Say GM and GN. Follow #plebchain and #introductions. Come back often, always something new. Discover new clients through and #asknostr for advice on anything.
Btw .. its a moot point .. because having discovered #nostr .. there is no way for you to go back to X :-) .. it will feel like a black and white TV after discovering Vision Pro :-) ..
What the heck is a social graph?!?!? You are NOT a noob! I am the newb! I'm contented to scribble my notes on the pictures and heart the adorable stuff and lol the hilarious stuff... Social grapht... Good grief!
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Satsdaddy 1 year ago
Just got to put in the proof of work. Find a handful of people to follow, then engage.
It means that if you interact more, you get more back. Simple as that. There’s no algorithms so if you want to be involved, get involved
Kiss algorithms goodbye 👋 none here..... your in control here , you choose and dictate your content and feed .. Nostr is interaction based it's a community here no information is spoonfed to you. use hashtags # and enjoy..... Welcome 😊 ______________________________________ #Bitcoin #ember #DCA #dca #hodl #HODL #sats #stacksats #soundmoney #corruptfed #stayhumble #btc #emberapp #Btc #zaps #zap #coffee #powerlaw @hodle
You got to have different approach in #Nostr I would say most sharing here is great stuff, but it need some creativity or keywords to find the post. To start, we need to add all those expert in our link by following them. If you are expert, find follower that interest your subject.
You’re currently only following 100 people. You can look through other people’s follower lists (you’re welcome to borrow mine) as well as any of the people who are commenting on this thread. Don’t be afraid to #AskNostr. Nothing will be served up automatically, but if you put in some PoW and post consistently you’ll start to see results.
We are the algorithm. Discoverability is who we interact with and us actually putting in the work in reaching out for those we want in our circle. No more of Twitter /X’s cluttered ads and “for you” page. It’s BLISS! (check out my page if you’re interested in #fitness & #wellness or PT-related brain bits 🧠)
Yup. The most important thing is to follow more folks and make sure you’ve got your various relay lists setup so you’re as discoverable as possible (both for people and features). Happy to chat directly if you want the high speed crash course.
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Chad Lupkes 1 year ago
No algorithms, no advertising, no corporations, no bs. Well, it's all people posting so I'm sure there's a lot of bs. But the other three are certainly true. So what we're doing is building new networks from scratch. X isn't going to link to this. Fediverse has, but it's hard to find people across the bridge. If you follow enough people, you'll scroll for days, and if that's what you want to do with your time, then just follow everyone. Personally, I'm living my life, checking this feed when I have time, and stacking sats.
It takes more time, but with a bit of patience I'm sure it'll grow on you. I have come to appreciate the distinctly different feel over the other platforms, but it took a while.
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Simon 1 year ago
Hey Nick 👋 welcome! I would call me a nostr noob as well. I’m learning new stuff every day. Specially from this note and all the replies you got
The key thing is you don’t just want a list of followers. You want a list of people you interact with. “Following lists” are pure fiat.
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If you have come to nostr to replicate your previous experience, what is the point. First step will be to discard what you have already learnt, then you may be ready to learn something new.
There's different kinds of DVMs. The ones we see in Gigis screenshot are content discovery DVMs. They aggregate notes and apply a set of rules or filters on the notes and build a feed based on these rules. There's topic related ones, follow related ones, most zapped, most engagement in various timespans on various relays and for different kinds. This is a growing open marketplace and every client that implements nip90 can benefit from it. There might be free or paid or subscription based ones, but currently most are free to use.
Btw @NostrAIDVM technically is not a DVM but a bot that communicates with DVMs. It's an interface you can use from any client, even if they don't natively integrate NIP90 (DVMs). There's some web based clients for DVMs too and some of the social clients integrate some DVM kinds like Amethyst or Nostrudel
Discover more people from the boosted posts of the people you already follow. Your feed will grow organically and be of much higher quality than anything an algorithm could give you.
The graph is one thing but most-zapped is the other thing! Zaps are an under-appreciated tool.
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lift 1 year ago
What does this do differently than posting via primal?
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lift 1 year ago
Glad we can learn together then!
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lift 1 year ago
Yea let’s talk! Bc I don’t know how to work with relay lists 😅
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lift 1 year ago
So hashtags actually work for discovery in Nostr, that makes sense and is interesting. Since they are pretty much useless on Twitter now
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lift 1 year ago
Thanks for the tips! I thought I’d set up the wallet by connecting alby to primal in my browser because that does let me zap people when I’m on my computer…but seems like that might not have worked for receiving
Worked. Whatever Lightning address you put in your profile will work across all clients, but if you’re using Primal on mobile you can only use the built-in wallet to send zaps. Other mobile clients like Damus, Amethyst, etc. let you connect Alby directly for one-tap zaps. On all web clients you can use the Alby chrome extension to sign your notes and zap.
Btw i was curious how casa accomplished inheritance plan. Does my mom need to give you her private key and then she can use it if I die ? 🫣
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Following a lot of people rather than being really selective about your follows is a good strategy here. You see way more conversations and good posts that are “one hop away” from your graph that you’d otherwise miss. Also I follow a handful of hashtags that are really helpful for branching out, but there is some risk there, fyi. I’m hoping clients start making some features (and/or thinking of doing this myself on the relay side if it’s not too much work) to help with the problem of spam and porn in global. More integrated web of trust visibility will help there as well.
It’s a weird concept. You follow the people you want: Frens that you respect, admire or make you laugh… and then, you see those individuals on your feed, you interact with them when they post insightful notes, either commenting and/or zapping those notes with lightning ⚡️ After a few weeks/months/years, your account grows organically.
There is no easy mode. Algos were always a bad idea. The aim of the game is effective social connections, not followers at all cost. You earn your social network by, you know…..networking. The old fashioned way. Not by being fed like a baby bird from the mouth of Elon. I’m not in anyway trying to be abrasive. Just to help you see that the algo and ‘discoverability’ is exactly what makes your time on Nostr better and more effective in the long run. No more passive choices being picked for you….time to choose your own adventure! I’m sure you’ll love it in the end.
It's a process, but well worth it. The zaps change the dinamic of it all. Algorithm organization is a super -power also.
Starting from the beginning is hard… which is what makes this protocol great. Once you have accumulated followers, those followers continue following you in every diff app you use in the future. You won’t need to rebuild your followers from scratch, ever again. New Nostr client? All your familiar frens already there… it should work great as this space develops ✨
Data Vending Machines. These are micro services living on Nostr doing various tasks. Content discovery is one of them. But literally anything. Llms, GenAI, you can even write on the Bitcoin timechain or scan files for viruses.
THIS! Coracle is the best client for discovering people to follow. Just follow a few people you know, and then jump into Global with your minimum web-of-trust score cranked to 10. You'll find plenty of quality people and content worth interacting with. Quality replies then go the longest way to growing a base of people who care to see what you have to say, as well.
This resonates. Very well said. Nostr is a true and authentic social network where we can control our own experience. It’s empowering, but takes real effort. Followed.
I have no engagement on Twitter (apart from bots), so no hardship transferring across here. Also great not to have a character limit…
I suspect Nostr will be a slow to develop because it's decentralised and unlike anything before. (with the exception of maybe ham radio) This makes it interesting but whether it will ever catch on is another matter. Individuals follow the crowd for a reason and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
The lazy way: use Primal client for a while. It has built-in algo's like 'Trending 24hr'. Then follow those poster frens you like.
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:P 1 year ago
Check out some quality relays on relay.tools