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Ser itβs worth it π«‘
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Dang, that sucks!
If you solve the
@Alby issue, in my case it has been very useful, specially on desktop to seamlessly login through the extension to many clients π
Hope it gets resolved for you :)
In terms of scheduling i can recommend
@HiveTalk Honey.
Itβs a lot more since itβs mostly a video call provider, but it is putting together a quite nice suite of #nostr features among which is scheduling and posting notes on the Posta Nota section.
Honey.hivetalk.org
I'm trying my brother, but i'm a poor
Lmk if you need any help
Listen to the users, they don't need more Ai slop, they need the basics.
View quoted note βSounds like Alby is not the way to go.
I love nostr but this is correct.
We do not get the basics right. The experience for new users is not good enough, no matter the client.
Rizzo
Be me, want to post on nostr:
- log in to primal and only see some random new account i didn't create
- spend 15 minutes looking for a login button that didn't exist
- spend 10 minutes wondering why i'm liking posts and nothing is happening
- send
@DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM π several angry rants
- downloaded Primal app but it was only mobile on a desktop and was terrible, and be frustrated
- Call
@The Daniel π
- Figure out my Alby account created a new random account for me, and i was logged in to another user, and for some reason i need to store my login in alby or water
- realize i don't have any of these suggested wallet options. only uses custodial lightning wallets
- get referred to
@npub1shpq...90nm / told it was a good scheduling tool
FML. back to work. we try again tomorrow
@Rizzo which Primal app did you use (iOS, Android, or web)? Also, what device did you use (hardware and OS)?
@Primal has an app built in!
I use Damus and itβs pretty straight forward
Retarded Pleb over here whoβs been power using nostr for yearsβ¦ π€·ββοΈ
YOU GOT THIS π
i had that happen on reinstall or when i added a new account to alby. it generated new keys, so when i went to primal, i signed in to a brand new account automatically. i was confused too until i realized what happened.
Correction: I never said it was a good scheduling tool. I just said it was a scheduling tool.
This was the main reason I angrily uninstalled Alby extension way back then. Should never have added nostr key management or at least do the UX right.
i've had a few other complexities happen that makes me wan to stop using it and go for something similar like Nostr Connect.
Yeah when someone explained that Nostr uses browser extensions to save keys, it made total sense. But as an end user I feel like I had no prior expectation that that would happen
Installing a browser extension to log into an app isn't very intuitve
Right, that's helpful. I didn't even know there were multiple options. I honestly thought I was adding a wallet, since when I used Alby way back it was primarily as a web browser wallet. I had no idea it was interacting with Nostr at the login level at all
We soldier on
If you can operate bitcoin you can operate nostr.
Just like you sign transaction, you sign events.
You need a wallet that does that for you. Unless you want to do the math by hand.
Sounds a lot like the hurdles of moving from paper Bitcoin ETFs to holding your own Bitcoin in a self-custody. It gets easier overtime.
@Rizzo The Primal mobile app has a wallet, but it doesnβt work in New York because of the fucking BitLicense. (It uses the
@npub1ex7m...vyt9 API.)
So for a desktop wallet you will want to get a NWC connection.
@Alby has moved to a self-custodial or βbring your ownβ setup, so you have a few options:
1. Use their Alby Hub Cloud service which spins up a hosted node where you hold your own keys. Easiest, but most expensive.
2. Install Alby Hub locally on either a LND node like Umbrel or Start9. Somewhat challenging for most people.
3. Install the standalone Alby Hub on a dedicated low-cost computer. You can use almost anything. Iβve gotten them set up on a Raspberry Pi.
4. Use a third-party custodial NWC wallet and import the connection string. Here are some options:
@YakiHonne is the easiest setup. Itβs a full Nostr desktop/browser and mobile client, and they will give you an Uncle Jim wallet running on their own Alby instance. You just export the string and import it into getalby.com and any other client you choose.
lnwallet.app is a simple NWC service. Works pretty much the same way as above, but itβs not a full client, just a wallet service.
@Bitvora Inc. is a hosted wallet that lets you connect to any NWC wallet, so it works with Alby Go and Nostr clients.
Give one of those a try and report back!
Be me, stop using primal. It's basically not even a real nostr client. Use your own node and self host everything and then you could just update your lightning address on your profile without relying on anyone else. Alby signer does have an annoying element that it uses a random npub until you import your own to the signer. Could always try nos2x. I would recommend amethyst client and amber signer on android. If you have an iPhone... You can use damus. I hear it's good. But If you were being me, you would dump that walled garden shit show for real open source software like android.
Dead
Nostr ainβt that hard, my guy. With that level of misunderstanding, Iβm concerned you may have fucked up your cold storage. Might want to check on that, Pete.
Works for me π€·π»
You can log in with your private key directly if you want. That's not too secure... Or you can use amber signer or a bunker (remote signers) "logging in" to nostr isn't really "login" in a traditional sense. It's "let me tell the client what my public key is and how I would like to sign events with my private key for this session"
Logging in has to be the biggest hurdle because it's fundamentallly different than the way you are used to signing into apps. You control the keys instead of just making a personal password that some central authority ties to some account in a central database. Your password on nostr is derived and never changes. There's no way to fix it. The only way to make it easier is better UI and education.
I run the relay on Start9, but configs are nonexistent and decent clients wonβt even connect to the .onion address, or require the .onion to have wss instead of ws. Primal UI is great. Happy here until tools catch up to allow being into self-sovereignty without moonlighting as an IT guy.
I still use it as a signer. Works good. I self host all my lightning infra so the signer is the only thing I use now.
i dont see nostr-connect anymore tho π it was a nice skin..
What do you mean "the relay"
There are dozens of implementations. My implementation has LOTS of configurations.
@reya know what happened to the extension? Itβs not in chrome extensions anymore π had to get from GitHub
Shouldnβt really need to as a new user. We have too much paranoia around key security imo. Let new users just use it directly without extensions. Sooner or later theyβll learn best practices and can get a new key if they like. We all came here mostly with the Jack wave and no one used any extensions back then and look at us - weβre fine.
It definitely, definitely needs to be simpler.
View quoted note βYep. The key UX was too forceful back when I tried it and sounds like it hasnβt gotten any better. Maybe
@saunter can look into it
Tagging
@saunter and
@Alby in case they want to explore their onboarding again.
We do not autogenerate new keys again, so I am not sure how this could happen now
Extension does not generate new keys automatically anymore
I think he may have had the extension installed for a while and not used it. It had a default key in the configuration, and I walked him through how to replace it with his real key.
Ah makes sense. Possible
His other question is one a lot of people have:
βI thought Alby was a wallet.β
This launched a 10 minute conversation about self custody and Lightning. Itβs no wonder new users are perplexed.
Yeah we struggle with it a lot. Thatβs why I wrote this:
Alby Blog
Alby Product Ecosystem Explained
Alby offers a comprehensive suite of products for bitcoin payments. Find out about their relationships and related security mechanisms.
When you products are too powerful itβs hard to harness them sometimes π
Some additional efforts are in the pipeline to resolve that including new branding and landing page
The only one that shows up when I search βnostrβ in the Start9 marketplaces is Nostr RS Relay. So, thatβs the only one Iβve installed to the Start9 and played with. Advice welcomed!
Check out my project grain.
Github.com/0ceanslim/grain
Let me know if you have questions!
I'm gearing up for the newest release now. Everything should be pretty well documented.
Badass! I will!
Similar issue happened to me trying to logout of Primal or switch accounts. Found a fix eventually...
View quoted note βLike this? For logging out...
View quoted note βNext release also targets a docker install as an option. Which means I may be able to bring grain to start9 and umbrel soon tm
Let friction be your friend π
That's why I use
@npub1casa...tzdc π
We will return
Fair enough. I'm just trying to build a habit. But it's also alarming to open up the same page your account was logged in yesterday and then basically be unable to use it for 30 minutes
Well, I'm still looking for references then π
ONWARD
We all appreciate your being here. Enjoy the discovery process. Looking forward to zap you once you settle down π« Also, forget the like button, try Damus. #onlyzaps
@miljan Can
@primal Studio do this?
@Rizzo Let Nos-Tarzan here be your guide.
Yes, Primal Studio supports scheduled publishing of notes and articles. I showed it in the Primal Studio announcement:
View quoted note β@Rizzo This is what you need.
cool!
@Efrat Fenigson what you've been waiting for
Iβm already onboarded and used its scheduling for the first time today and it worked very well!
@Rizzo try the primal studio. Iβm liking it!
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Woohoo!
The Revolution Will Not Have Good UX.
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The same thing happened to me, so there's definitely work to be done with key management. It was a pain to figure it out. Alby's user experience has a lot of room for improvement!
it have been removed by google, I need to re upload it.
Works like a charm too
Is primal this great? Or would an independent client like coracle or damus also serve well or better?
If youβre using a browser such as Chrome with the ability to create multiple profiles, it makes user switching really easy. You never need to sign out of anything. Just switch profiles and you have a completely different set of browser extensions and user data. Works perfectly.
Ok thanks. I never use chrome, when these is a solution with firefox.
There is also a logout Button missing
lmfao
This note reeks of boomerism π
Thats why i make email login, its not perfect but it works
And I canβt zap you xD
Alby isn't done fucking with you yet, trust me LOL
@Big Bad JohnNice
The Primal Experience. πππ
when you make a nostr identity, you need to store the nsec somewhere safe
they make it a little confusing in alby how you put it in there, but it's in the nostr settings section. once that's in, you will log in as you mean to. the flow they have is designed for onboarding, not for newbies who already have made a key pair before (nsec/npub)
Get
@Terry Yiuβs Nostash app for iOS so you can use web clients in Safari browser too.
View quoted note βIβve noticed. Even the things that are well designed seem to glitch on me the first time I try them just because, apparently, everything has to be difficult.
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