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Which client did you use to write this? I'm wondering because with such a stance, the client you use must be special. And, for the love of God, may it not be Primal.
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Seems you are using Nostr pretty well. Good that you care about people here and want to enrich their experience.
pubkey is relevant to somebody other than Bitcoin maximalists?
I am doubtful....
Well, why's it better?
pubky.org
The response from the corporate CEO of a competing protocol that is definitely not mad that I called him out on his bullshit.
For the record as well, I am not an Epstein-Blockstream Coin (EBSC) maxi; I am an ACTUAL Bitcoin (Cash), Monero and Pirate Chain maxi, because I understand the value of uncompromised and/or truly private internet money with both inherent and realized value.
I'm sorry that my direct shot at your unwillingness to gather a group of like-minded developers and create in spite of the Nostr Eliteβ’ so thoroughly threw you into a triggered tantrum that it could rival an average meltdown from the likes of Low Tier God (or any equivalent lolcow of your choice). May we both pray for Tether to not have another liquidity crisis that results in billion dollar losses at the time Pubky most needs funding. :^)
I don't trust "protocols" that have a CEO.
This includes Zcash and Tether.
You need to put in some real time of yours explaining it one by one. PoW or GTFO.
Yeah I'm kinda with the other guy. If you're gonna spend 6 paragraphs ranting you can spend 1 giving some sort of technical explanation
Checked out the tldr section. Work on it, just seems like another NOSTR π€·ββοΈ
You can sign up on pubky.app
Just need to pay a small amount of sats to minimize spam i think
Im not sure. I think if you lose your key its gone for good. But im the wrong person to ask you should maybe reach out to
@John CarvalhoKeys are a blessing and a curse π
An encrypted password manager can be helpful. You can store all your keys there. At least that way you only have to remember one master password. Then save that master password on paper and keep an extra copy somewhere too.
lol please stay here, Pubky is for useful people
i truly care about meeting your arbitrary standards of conversation
That's a good idea, fuck off π
You are so right about the Bitcoin culture and yet this is what you made:
How is an extra gateway option a cultural problem? bitcoin is still useful. There is a SMS option. I can also give you an invite code for free directly. It's just a spam gateway, not some sort of protocol thing.
BEHOLD:
The longest, biggest, dare I say BRIGHTEST ad hominem the world has ever seen
View quoted note βYou don't need permission to do whatever you want with open protocols. We get so many participants at every SEC who are new to Nostr and they have had material contributions to making Nostr better in more than one ways.
As the saying goes "you can just do things" and that sometimes also means you have to protect open protocols from enshittification.
View quoted note βIβve never heard of punky
*pubky or whateverβs itβs called, whatever it is
"I'm only here to save the people ..."
Why does your tone make me think you're a BIP110 fan? π€
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I can believe that Nostr may be funded, influenced, or promoted by bad actors with their own agendas. I have seen how quickly character assassination starts when someone is building or implementing something powerful.
But I have to admit, turning up like this is genuinely hilarious:
I can even accept the possibility that Nostr is promoted by some people because they think it is a poor solution, or because they believe it can be steered, captured, fragmented, or used for their own ends.
But that does not answer the harder question.
Why is Pubky better?
Not just rhetorically. Structurally.
Pubky seems to be trying to solve real problems: public key based identity, user held data, homeservers, portable hosting, semantic discovery, and DHT based routing. Those are serious ideas. They may address some of Nostrβs weaknesses around relay discovery, data portability, indexing, moderation, and user controlled storage.
But if the claim is that Pubky is the better path, I would like to see that explained clearly.
Can it scale beyond early adopters?
Can it avoid recreating new gatekeepers at the homeserver or indexer layer?
Does it actually reduce metadata exposure, or does it just move metadata to different infrastructure?
Can it support genuine pseudonymity, private communication, and peer to peer payments in a way that is production ready?
Can it integrate with Bitcoin, Lightning, Monero, and other payment systems without becoming captured by one funding interest?
And most importantly, why should anyone believe the funders are altruistic?
The answer cannot be βtrust usβ.
The answer has to be architecture.
Show the credible exit. Show the independent implementations. Show how users keep their data. Show how identities survive provider failure. Show how indexers can compete. Show how moderation does not become centralised control. Show how bridges can strengthen existing freedom tech instead of fragmenting it.
There are clearly developers on Nostr genuinely trying to build something useful. So the argument cannot just be βNostr has bad actors around itβ.
A better argument would be:
Here is what Pubky solves.
Here is what Nostr gets wrong.
Here is what Pubky still does not solve.
And here is how Pubky components could bridge into Nostr to fix real weaknesses without demanding that everyone abandon what already works.
If Pubky is genuinely better, explain the mechanism.
If it can scale, explain the scaling model.
If it is less capturable, explain the failure modes.
Otherwise it is not obviously a better protocol.
It is just a different group of people asking for trust.
"We don't build on Nostr because when we did try to give our ideas to Nostr people they were totally ignored and insulted."
That's BS, if you have an idea, code it and ship it. Nostr is premissionless.
The problem as always, is that while you preach about the superiority of your technology, your delivery is a tone deaf muddle of ego and insults.
Why would anyone who is not already in the John Carvalho Fan Club want to join a small internet chat room where you are one of the handful of people to talk to, regardless of how awesome its architecture is?
If your goal is to achieve network effect, you need something that can spread on its own. Thatβs hard to achieve, and it works better when people feel inspired and excited by something new theyβve discovered.
It is superior though, anyone who has used nostr and used pubky is being dishonest if they think nostr has a better UI or that nostr feels more polished. Between nostr, the fediverse, bastyon, and pubky, pubky is the only platform that feels polished and like a mainstream social media site, while having better decentralization architecture behind it. The rest (nostr included) feel kind of hacked together and while they work, you can obviously tell that they don't have the polished UI/UX of using a centralized social media site like twitter or whatever.
Where did I ever say Nostr was even the least bit polished? Thatβs not remotely why I came here. I created my keys using that abandoned dumpster fire called astral.ninja. Now Iβm actively building a client that is leveling up the UX, even if the architecture is, as you accurately state, hacked together. Maybe claiming to have a βbetter Nostrβ isnβt the selling point you think it is.
Ok
"Nostr is for Bitcoin Podcast listeners that want to feel like they understand tech, but are too lazy to actually learn."
Wow, this is basically me.
Some self reflection could lead to the realization that this very message, and other messages like it, are exactly the reason no one respects you.
I am speaking from my first-hand experience of using many different decentralized social media options. Pubky is just better than the others from a user experience perspective.
Iβm sure the dozens of users there are enjoying it.
Its that time of the month again
I even see this.
Nostr does not have such limitations!
Bitcoin that is "not available in your country", hahaha, what a perfect addition to this fed LARP.
why would anyone use affinity to make personal decisions? it's crazy to me that you think i'm the one being tone-deaf
bro, no one gives shit about any of this, or your standards of behavior, this is schoolyard nonsense
if people need to "like" the people that engineer things they will be engineered by scammers because they are the nicest
your worldview is fundamentally flawed where you replaced credibility with fame and fomo
get a fucking life
the retardation here is insurmountable
literally every computer on a network has the ability to control who can write to it
Literal dozens, but only friends of Jack,
@ODELL and
@Derek Ross .
I don't personally know any of those guys so nostr isn't for me. I definitely don't run my own relay and own my data here. The barrier is too high.
LMAO who TF even is this guy and why does he act like he knows us?
"Maybe he's got sand in his vagina too, Kyle"
In order to evaluate pubky, you need to tell John your phone number or give him 1000 Bitcoin
I am not bot miss plz show bobs
Idk I feel like the fact that nostr is only relevant to bitcoin maximalists is kinda the whole reason I like to hang out here π€·π»ββοΈ π
View quoted note βNever heard of pubkey but this nostr stuff is lit π₯
I can choose from hundreds of relays and dozens of clients, and it took me about ten minutes to set up my own home relay to own my data and forward it to a bunch of other relays.
Were there people there? Never checked it out.
We're all crazy here slayer.
How much you guys paying guy swan to shill?
Are you gay ?
And yet here you are. Suck a dick, and your platform sucks
Why you hate nostr man, and what is pubky? I feel like nostr is great place if you are a bitcoiner and like to read related topics.
Hopefully your programming skills are better than your reading comprehension
he's spitting facts lowkey ππ
Seems to be working just fine
Irrelevant. Look at the protocol architecture.
View quoted note βPubky has literally only just opened its public beta tho.
You kids get off my lawn!!
Yup... with Rust
Come check it out.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Exactly. Nostr being full of bitcoin weirdos is not a bug, it is the immune system. Every useful network starts as a monastery for people too annoying to compromise.
OK Foundation guy.
Such complete BS about Nostr might convince someone on X. Certainly not here.
And indeed the arrogance immediately reminded me of Craig Wright. No other clown comes close.
Maybe time to go back to your old sextoys business, you seemed less butthurt back then.
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Key rotation is good hygene anyway.
You must be new here
New npub, not new user. I've been here almost since the beginning.
Will never stop wondering what happened to your OG keypair.
I nuked it! π₯
:blobspin:
It'd honestly recommended taking a look at pubky then. Early days but it's an objectively better protocol.
I couldn't even get pubky to work after sending the 1000 sats and installing some app that's required.
All I had to do for nostr was click "generate new key" and my blank profile loads up. π€·
Theoretically better. Nostr is good enough and wins hands down on interoperability and vibe. Nobody cares about the "more technically elegant solution".
WHAT IS PUBKY AND WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I CARE ABOUT IT?
Interoperability?
The Satoshi larping is stupid. Especially given Bitcoin's inherent lack of built-in privacy.
I will say that.
I have no opinion on anything else.
I have five different Android clients on my phone right now and none of them have my key because I keep it in Amber. I can pick and choose which relays I connect to and if one of them goes down or the admin nukes the DB it changes nothing for me.
fucking brutal lmao
My dad's advise to me was if you don't have anything nice to say then just shut the fuck up.
Ohno, don't stop. Please cry harder Mr Error Log. Your constant crying about nostr being the worst is such valuable content! If you cry harder and longer next time, I'll consider zapping you some internet money.
Ahhh - interoperable between clients.
Pubky is Ed25519 keypairs...
...Meshtastic and Meshcore RF comms, as well as Reticulum... and that's just for starters.
I purely use XMR. Though I hold some Bitcoin from back in the early days, I'm hardly a Maxi.
Pubky is actually gay and retarded (just like you).
Fair enough, not looked into it but I'm open minded, for me I like open protocols and the indie web, there's things in Nostr I love, there's also things with ActivityPub I love. I might check it out at some point but have as much Social Media as I've any desire for right now.
Now if there were a place that had as strong music and art communities as the Fediverse with the interoperability of Nostr, that really would be very cool.
This is not the first time I've had a look at pubky to see if it piques my interest and draws me in. I did try, but I see "terms of service" to use "our platform", speed limits, charges, privacy breakdown (SMS)... And I'm no closer to seeing what pubky can actually do for me. I'm sorry, I tried. Conceptually I like it, but for now it looks like it's for dedicated pubky developers only.
Please don't shit on me!
i agree with you here mate, 'You don't care about solving problems or helping people. You care about being "cool" with your fake internet friends'
Sounds cool. Maybe someone cooperative will build something with it one day.
Relays have not failed because we are currently communicating over relays.
Rear view mirror fallacy.
Reality bites. π€£
Indie web, to me at least, is the internet of the DIY enthusiast, avoiding corporate walled gardens, and bullshit tech. Free and open source software, tools you can use on your own hardware etc. Basically the opposite of most of what tech does these days.
And re. magic internet money I agree with you tbh. Money is money and whilst obviously useful, it's not the biggest thing in my life... by a long way.
It's a tool, it's useful but I don't realate to much of the culture or at least what some define as the culture.
What a joke
That sounds fabulous but guess its more dev oriented ? Im so diy person but not that much in tech sense rather normie everyday kind of stuff diy kinda gal... β¨οΈπ₯³
If your ideas are so cool just build them into a new nostr client.
You don't try to convince someone to build your ideas for you
Same here... I hate extremes and some with bitcoin are just going to extremes to me...
What I miss? Why he so bitter? Iβm only here because X is a shithole and makes me want to shoot myself in the face. If there is something better, please advise.
your rant makes it seem like nostr is super cool π and it is in a way. also wondering now what pubky is. pretty sure jack cares a ton about bitcoin and block, and theyβre really helpful.
Doesnβt need to be dev stuff, sure many are into that but a lot of folks are more tech curious. Iβm good with music software but I canβt code at all, luckily people have made tools that make it a lot easier. My home set up uses Yunohost that essentially gives you big friendly buttons for setting up and running things, most of the command line stuff is abstracted away. My music, podcast, shared files etc. all run on a little computer I bought second hand on eBay for Β£200.
I just tried to create acc on Pubky....it asks me for an SMS.....and you tell me that "Pubky is strictly better than Nostr". That's not something someone even half serious would say.
That sounds cool... I didnt know you have a podcast... how can I listen to you? You can share me a link? I listened to se podcasts shared by some folks here on nostr but I am not much of a fan... lot of them start saying nonsense and I lose interest very fast... when I say nonsense I mean that sect vibe inwas talking about...
Ok, I will
The design of nostr is so bad we're having a discussion about it on nostr
Also ideas that pre-date nostr doesn't make them good ideas.
You are ignorant, if you think that was meant to be witty.
I've gone through a lot to work on Nostr, and I am not paid, but they can't stop me. So I am still here.
Oh well. So much for explaining then
Why all the hate?
Who would stop you from building whatever you wanted to build on #Nostr ? Isnβt that the point of it being open and a protocol? That noone can stop you from implementing your ideas regardless of what anyone says? π
The really fun part is it's not relative to them either.
Do you have an option to pay with bitcoin?
Who pissed him off π€£
View quoted note βI thought you were kidding about the SMS but it's real. Even Cloudflare does PoW for captchas now.
Its more of a music show than a podcast but I use podcast software to host it. I play a pretty wide range of music but does pull toward certain genres, playing records from my collection gathered over 40+ years. Also I play a few things I've made or worked on as engineer etc.
Castopod
The Kalimera Show (@thekalimerashow) β’ Activity
Music on the open internet. George the Cat and inpc, audio engineer and musical idiot, play all manner of music from listening, collecting and maki...
βNostr is not relevant to anyone but Bitcoin maximalists (because they are the only ones gullible enough to think Nostr is amazing). β
Seriously are you that dense or just that self-absorbed in your overinflated sense of self-worth? Iβm hardly a bitcoin βmaximalistβ. Whatever the fuck that even means. I like #nostr because fuck centralized social media and that leftist shitheap BlueSkyβ¦ I can post what I want and fuck what anyone has anything to say on it.
The 2nd half of this note subtly profound
Remember, Pubky is owned by Tether, so they have to do whatever Paolo and their corporate overlords tell them.
Nostr is a protocol that anyone can build on.
You seem to be talking about primal rather than nostr.
Like if you have ideas you write the code and make a nip and then other people can implement your nip if they want to.
If you made a nip and nobody likes it you could still put it into your own client.
Like you don't need approval from jack or Odell to do anything here.
Just because primal ignored your ideas doesn't mean you can't put them into your own client.
Did you actually make a nip?
Yes, you can also not pay at all if you just ask for an invite code. Or, if you run your own homeserver (this is not for noobs, yet)
Can I get an invite link?
Just explain how it's better in your own words.
Synonym is indeed funded by Tether, but the team makes autonomous decisions about strategy, direction etc no interference from Tether on that front.
this is the leadership? how professional.
it aint easy but its honest work
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Something fishy for sure
Right? An SMS or "invite" from someone....i was not sure if i was on real web site, if it was some kind of scam site or something like that. "Strictly better" my ass.
Stay on nostr, you wouldn't fit in anyway. Pubky is for people that actually do things.
I've been "character assassinated" on nostr and everywhere else, and I was one of the early users to try pubky, but I still think kicking the demons out of nostr and fixing nostr is the answer.
Did you kick any demons out yet?
We've kicked out so many there's a whole "nostr is dying" meme about it, but we have more demons to evict in the upcoming fiscal quarter
Interesting backstory that company has.
View quoted note βThe protocol sounds interesting and competition of protocols is a good thing. I don't like the phone number part tho.
There is no protocol that actually requires a SMS check. That is a product thing for spam. Also, we don't keep the numbers or use them, nor would that actually harm you if we did.
Methinks she doth complain too much...
History is littered with superior technologies that didn't catch on. You need to improve your understanding of human psychology instead of trying to improve our understanding of whatever it is that you're tinkering with.
As I've said before, I've tried more than once to work out what Pubky can do for me, and I've utterly failed. It looks proprietary and geeky to start with. Neither of these are properties that will attract the masses.
Do better and stop sounding like an arrogant prick.
Everything you do is in service of your ego, including that nostr clone of yours. "My vision of the web", "diary of a bitcoin serial entrepreneur".
Spitting your dummy out for people not caring about tetherkey.
This is a fairly ignorant and emotional statement. Think what you want, but it's still wrong. You don't know me; you just don't like that I am not on your team.
Fuck your team. I'm here to actually fix things. My loyalty is to my mission, not your retarded tribal standards.
I will help people despite people like you, and you might still benefit from it someday. I don't need your adoration or acceptance, I'm not a fucking child, I'm a designer.
I donβt understand you
But please keep sharing your complaints
As you should
