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True. Many, especially newbies and I think all Bitcoin speculators, can't do anything with Lightning. And yes, when you explain and show people how easily and efficiently Lightning works, there is a lot of amazement. Lightning will, and it's only a matter of time, be the payment method of the future. 🤝
Necessity is the mother of adoption. It’s building up slowly, with punctuating jolts here and there.
Yes
This is the best critique of lightning I've heard yet
Concur. Lightening nodes are not something every Alice and Bob can deploy. Potentially a centralizing bottleneck in a decentralized system.
That scenario will only happen after the “right” people are positioned into it as a lower price (I.e. Blackrock and friends). Everyone else will be told to get into it when their corporate overloads are properly set up.
Most people only care about the fiat exchange rate.
Focus on the price and you'll miss all the glorious beauty of bitcoin.
That's why I write about using it instead of the price.
We can already do such amazing things with the lightning network and so many people in the world are blind to it.
View quoted note →I'm pretty sure the public doesn't know Bitcoin was originally designed to be digital cash. Most people think it's a collectible pet rock.
It’s virtual beanie babies! Tulip Mania! It boils the oceans! Change the code!
“It’s a speculative asset!”
*Proceeds to buy trash stocks on Robin Hood on the basis of ticket symbol*
We need to help businesses that have been bullied by the banks to sign up. See my previous note about PrivacyDevil.com and how the owner was forced to remove Bitcoin accepted from his site and packaging yet still had his bank accounts with Barclays and HSBC closed as they don't like Bitcoin.
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We, who use Lightning, live in a bubble -- we should not forget this.
Gradually then suddenly
Fast and decentralized is good but what are your views on transaction tracking, lack of on ramp anonimity, and the fact that companies like chainalysis or AI can open the door to centralized entities to blacklist addressed for unfair reasons?
Amazing 🤩
C'est cela que devrait être l'idée...mais il y a tellement de gens dans le Bitcoin qui ne pensent à leurs propres intérêts et finissent par jouer tel dans le système Fiat comme des concurrents à jouant à être les plus à en être détenteurs
Maybe someone needs to sponsor a TV sitcom to demonstrate lightning payment subtly and repetedly?
true. i was surprised when a friend who is well versed in Ethereum and its layer 2s did not know that Lightning is a bitcoin L2.
How do you imagine this "cache refresh" ?
You deserve a pardon but I’m not sure this country deserves you.
The merchants of war run this country
There's also JoinMarket, which is the more established and also decentralized alternative. As a taker you get to decide which amount and how many people to coinjoin with. Right now this is the best flow to fund a Lightning node and its channels as privately as possible, but it still assumes you know what you are doing and know the tool and all the nuances involved. We'll get there with time.
💯
on point.
Yes but none of those are zerolink protocols. Only whirlpools zerolink protocol destroys deterministic links.
Or you experience it first hand.
We have this contactless card technology now.
boltcardwallet.com
MIT open source
Worldwide
Permission Free
The problem with Bitcoin is that people dont primarily use it to transfer value (i.e., to purchase goods and services) but to rather to store value. This (in my view) is Bitcoin's biggest problem.
It's still not private and fungible by default. In it's current state #Bitcoin hopefully don't gets adopted as it would create a lot of foreseeable problems.
Until Bitcoin has noncustodial, private by default transactions that don't fail for amounts >$100 I will stick with #Monero. 0-conf and 2 minute block times can go along way, althoughl I prefer instant transactions as in LN when it works.
It's not a problem. It's its value proposition.
If you want to transfer value you want something like Monero that is private and fungible (cashlike) by default.
Most CEX in "crypto" operate under a fractional reserve scheme. Most people don't give a fuck otherwise self-custody would be closer to 90 to 95%.
I've just set up my node.
What gives me the greatest satisfaction in life is experimenting with tech and sovereignty.
It's an amazing time to be alive.
It is so great to have you here and being able to reply. Lightning is great, but sadly most poeple won't run their own node. It's too complex and technical. So for now it's having onchain btc plus a custodial spending account.
Not ideal but way better than visa :)
You need some inbound capacity. Feel free to zap me :))
bitcoind --daemon -server=1 -txindex=1 -prune=0 -reset-public-mind=1
Digital currency is not without risks. The Pentagon buying server racks to exercise state power over the monetary system was written about naively in Bitcoin Magazine.
banger after banger.... clearly why I purchased your book..
Bitcoin functions exactly as it needs to. That's why it's the King by a huge margin.
The only real problem facing Bitcoin is corruption of the code base from within. Everyone needs to go back to a #Bitcoin #core version prior to #Taproot.
Until we can determine if TapRoot is still actually worth all the trouble. Then the code has to be cleaned up and lockdown.
Then we will be good. The #Virtuous #fullnodes and Bitcoin loyalists are demanding this, and they are the ones with the power to implement it. That's how #Satoshi designed #Bitcoin..🧡👑🗽
It also has a lot to do with affinity marketing scams. Bitcoin is tainted by association with all the premined bLoCkChAiN gimmicks and shitcoin casinos, which are nothing more than digital bucket shops, straight outta early 20th century
Have you checked out
BTC Map
Easily find places to spend sats anywhere on the planet.
yet?
I also think another issue was a lot of people went into Bitcoin to invest, and expected it to continue appreciating and earn money! ! The part of using bitcoin as a currency was set a side.
Yet, to receive or send btc on nostr one has to register on some thrid-party sites like alby or walletofsatoshi and trust them to handle your btc, which completely defeats the whole motivation behind "crypto" money. And nostr people commit to this ugly scheme while there are more easily accessible, cheaper, ergonomic and robust technologies to that could fill this role. This is fascinating
Mr. Snowden. Send some good people over to Nostr. We're Bitcoin plebs here. 🤍
It's a chicken/egg problem. Merchants should be all over this, due to irreversibility and low fees, but no one takes Bitcoin seriously. It's just a volatile asset in most people's minds. And as a consumer I like that I can reverse a transaction if the merchant doesn't deliver what was promised, and the 1-3% cash back doesn't hurt either.
We're fighting an entrenched legacy system, and until enough people are denied access, it's an uphill battle.
That's why the developing world will embrace this before the developed world.
To be fair, who pays attention to something they were told is a failure?
Hi Snowden! #Nostr relies on links to the centralized web for photos and videos.
To avoid the pitfalls of the centralized web, we need freedom from it.
#Nostr relays can now store all file types as Merkle DAGs, which are basically Merkle Trees with directories. 📁 Any file or folder can be signed like a nostr note.
We call it HORNET Storage to represent the Cyber Hornets protecting bitcoin.⚡️ Would be an honor for you to review the site!
https://www.hornetstorage.com/@Edward Snowden or people don't like participating in a Ponzi scheme. No amount of "refreshing minds" is going to change that.
Does storing images on relays pose any additional risk to them?
Storage costs. Bitstream is designed to pay relays as they deliver data, bit by bit over Lightning. The file chunk itself is released as a preimage to settle the Lightning invoice. That should help with the increased overhead for relays.
Static monthly payments from users has many relays going out of business — they underestimate operating costs.
Because you're a genius.
Oh great now I have to come up with something different and I'm already running out of options and im still waiting for interviews
I agree
There are two problems here Lightning as it currently structure is not feasible for worldwide adoption, you can see how it's already struggling to keep up the pace lots of channels forced to close and stuff. Second is the mindset not of the normie they literally have no clue but what worries me is the mindset of the maximalists, they don't think that Bitcoin was made to be what the WP says it should they don't think BTC was made to be spent.
View quoted note →For more privacy, please take a look at
@eNuts ⚡️🌰 A Cashu wallet for Android and iOS 🥜🐿
#Cashu is #Ecash for #Bitcoin
I love to see a hero like
@Edward Snowden that sacrifice his life to spread the truth, uderstanding that the futur is bright. They can't hide anymore. They can't control anymore. They can't censor anymore. You're one of those that make it possible. Thank you so much!
View quoted note →Even if you pin your files, IPFS doesn’t always store your files forever. I’m sure there is some illegal content on IPFS still, but it’s been very active for years — despite many of its flaws.
People who host content take up the responsibility of avoiding illegal content, just like nostr.build or any centralized content provider does. Having a way to turn decentralized file hosting into a sustainable business with Lightning makes doing that job more realistic.
“As of August 2021, IPFS claims to have 2 million unique weekly users, some 200,000 network nodes, and about 125TB worth of gateway traffic per week.”
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To send/zap is straight forward. You can use non-custodial btc lightning wallets like breez, Phoenix, ... it'll open your wallet. If you're on a web browser instead of an app it just shows the lightning invoice.
To receive zaps I've yet to find a simple non-custodial solution. You need an ln address. For it to work effectively it should be for a node on clearnet using ssl. Being behind Tor is flaky and not all clients support it. For example breez wallet on iOS doesn't have tor support
So far custodial ln address like those provided by WOS, bitrefill, and others is the easiest solution I've found.
I may have missed something in my research of this but I don't think so.
Are the cards just providing ln withdrawal urls? With the issues related to that? Or is it using another interface?
You misspelled “cash”, if you were referring to an easy-to-use, stable and anonymous payment method.
Well, good luck with it. The problems you speak of have been solved, but the system that implements it isn't finished yet. I should spend more time working on it than reading and posting with nostr.
but a centralized service, ACINQ, controls the opening and closing of "your" channels, you will likely route through their node for most payments (for a fee).
Atomic off-chain payments for files and coins over Lightning has not been solved before this. The closest thing to it before Bitstream was ZKCP by Gregory Maxwell and ZKCSP, but it lacked the instant finality of Lightning.
Ew. Systemd.
savings are a much more pressing issue than payments
The problem is how you are thinking about the problem. Proof of storage is impossible, only proof of delivery is possible. Delivery can be monetised, and so can submission, via the same mechanism. In addition, because it is designed to be programmable, and the relays are dumb and just process commands so long as there is balance on the relay sessions, it can be used for anonymisation of traffic, both client and bidirectional, to charge for access to content (paywalling), and is designed so that any way you can think of prepaid sessions for forwarding traffic around can be easily implemented without any change to the relay software, just by creating a new client.
It is inspired by the genius of
@fiatjaf 's nostr protocol, to be as simple and open ended as possible.
Your project is a good solution for authenticating complex data types, probably better than IPFS in some ways - IPNS is so poorly supported and clunky to work with, but that's all it does, and that means that if it turns out later it restricts usage in some critical way your protocol will not survive.
Also, I didn't notice who started this thread, and now I get why your posts sound like marketing. I'm gonna butt right out of this for now, because I don't believe in him being what he claims to be any more than Alex Jones not having strings attached.
Bitstream provides both monetized delivery and storage, but mainly focuses on delivery. The Lightning payment can only be claimed if the server delivers the correct file:
https://www.hornetstorage.com/bitstream
Paid Storage works by randomly requesting a random leaf/chunk of the file you want stored once a day/week/month — if the relay can’t deliver the leaf(s), then they don’t have your data and you quit streaming your sats.⚡️🍃
In my opinion the public needs us to give them sats. I mean, to your closest friends. Just, download the app on their phones when youre hanging out and zap em some love so they can see its effortless.
I also think there is another problem tho. That Is The lack of desire to assume responsibility. I really dont know how to approach to that.
Nostr might be a good place, but its reach is limited atm.
Aren't the transaction fees of bitcoin a major issue? Won't something like monero and litecoimn be more useful in real world? I have used them many times for purchases.
The public mind needs a cache refresh regarding #Bitcoin, diays
@Edward Snowden.
Thanks @Jack for sharing which is why I didn't miss it.
We ourselves are the algorithm here on #Nostr. If you see something, share something. 🫂
View quoted note →The fact that Bitcoin isn't universally accepted yet is actually a bullish sign 👇
It means there's still a ton of room for growth and adoption. Lightning Network's quick and low-cost transactions are a game changer, and once more people experience that "wow" moment you mentioned, we could see a major shift in public perception.
The general misunderstanding about BTC's transaction speed is more of an opportunity to educate and onboard new users than a permanent drawback. So in essence, the public mind needing a "cache refresh" is a sign of untapped potential rather than a limitation.
Lightning.
“Normal” people are not thinking about BTC. In fact when “normal” people hear the word bitcoin they relate it to doo doo coins. “Normal” people are not thinking about BTC. Many “Normal” people are still trying to figure out how to get “normal” money, and figure out how to pay all their bills that keep getting more and more difficult to pay.
We as Bitcoiners sometimes forget that not everyone is thinking like us. I speak with educated people all the time about bitcoin and they’re so far removed from the reality of what it is. They don’t even want to learn about what it is. There must be a need for a person to learn about bitcoin. Someone influential to them must introduce it for them to find it interesting, or there needs to be some sort of significant milestone life event that happens to an individual that places them in a position whereby bitcoin becomes the option an individual must utilize for basic survival.
It is not your job to convince anyone. They will seek you out when it is time and not a second sooner
What happened to zcash haha
It seems it still a bit early though:
True
What they need is to get their hands on an Azteco voucher and redeem it through lightning.
Bit by bit ⚡️
They have better propaganda than we do. Once the victims get ripped off, though, they'll make their way to Bitcoin, as they won't have any other option. Something something time preference
- Ex-Wasabi Dev
- No defense against sybil attacks
- No ddos protection
- Worse anon sets
- Worse entropy
- Worse UI/UX
- No spend tools
- Fractured crowd
- IP exposure
- Only decentralized as nostr relays
- not a zerolink protocol
Therefore whirlpool is superior
And what does joinstr solve its not a zerolink protocol and they are no postmix tools.
I don't know much about lightning, but I still assume that you have to get the bitcoin somehow in the first place. Right now, if I buy 1mil of bitcoin with my fiat, about 200K will go into transaction fees. So the only way is to buy so much that the transaction fee becomes a small percentage. Am I wrong?
Are u rly u?!
I'll bite, who's Mr ponzi in this scheme?
It's good enough for now
At least take can't steal your funds
There needs to be more of the color Orange. America is not safe to live in and there's no one coming to save us.
Yeah, he confirmed his npub on twitter.
Maybe. Many ppl get burned and write off crypto all together. Would rather just save in Fiat or mutual funds. Something they see as safer.
"probably won't steal" is more accurate.
you *will* have a channel open with the ACINQ node. is your Phoenix node always online? are you using a watchtower? your own or from a service?
i am not saying ACINQ is going to steal channel balances. they are incentivized to support their customers.
using Phoenix is entering into a banking business partnership with ACINQ. they are making decisions about how to handle your payments, and you are paying them to do so.
If you want a self-custodial Lightning wallet, using something like Phoenix will require at least a minimum amount to create the wallet.
If you don't mind KYC, and live in a country where it's compatible (U.S. and El Salvador), Strike is a good one.
There’s also Liquid BTC, similarly useful 👉
It only takes one lightning transaction to get the mind blown. Instant transfer of sats, near zero cost, zero intermediary corps!, fully secure, peer to peer.
i urge you to research what an LN payment channel is.
funds on LN don't sit "in a wallet." you do not have that sort of passive security.
@Edward Snowden If you wanna help that cache refresh you might help a fellow #Bitcoin activist in raising public awareness through peaceful protest on #SaturdaysForSatoshi ✌🏼🧡
It's sad that you can't go to
@BTC Prague , they did rly good job with lightning adoption on eventand propagation of it to normies…
ok then whos satoshi
Fair play
Data as the preimage. Damn that's a really cool idea.
The data is encrypted and the decryption key is the preimage. But that’s very difficult to explain so I usually give people the simplified version above first^
Robin could go more in-depth. It started initially as him suggesting using the data as the preimage, then we realized preimages couldn’t be reused and evolved it over the last few months.
Everyone knows the main problem is price volatility in fiat terms... we need a higher, gold like, market cap until then Bitcoin Wil still be our favorite reserve of value and digital form of property.
Love it!!!
I agree, but that's going to take some kind of event showcasing lightning that is so big that the MSM can't afford to ignore it. Hard to imagine what that would be, exactly... Maybe something like the Canadian trucker protests where the protestors win using lightning somehow.
Why would Snowden promote a transparent blockchain at all? What is the joke here?
I doubt very much that Snowden would advocate a transparent blockchain crypto horrific for financial privacy and security.
I have heard that implementation on taxation because of different prices can be a pain point. So as a merchant yo have big barriers into adopting it as a means for payment.
I have and use Monero.
I'm curious about Lightning, but maybe I haven't seen an easy-enough-to-understand article or video on how to set it up. And more on how it works.
Maybe I should put more effort into learning it. I just have a natural resistance to BTC due to lack of privacy at the base protocol level.
The main problems for me is the huge value instability of cryptos, and all the frauds, grifters and cultie libertard creeps yammering on about it.
One word: FTX. One name: Sam Banking-Fraud.
Crypto seems like an excellent way to --- aaand, it's gone.
Ether seems valuable. I'd like to get into it at some point. BTC, no.
Oh really? Where?
I think most people need an educator they trust. I plan to orange pill my butcher soon. Already bought an LN-PoS for them that I intend to place there as a loaner to get them started.
However, I anticipate their main concerns already: How about accounting and taxes? Is it worth the effort to learn how to operate a completely different transaction mode, for a second currency? Is it safe, reliable etc.
Won't be too easy...
Oh waoh then the real Snowden follows me. That’s dope.
What
The Pentagon is not going to outhash the psychopaths.
We won’t be able to escape being taxed and regulated by the state for any on-chain transactions, but there will be a little anonymity on lightning… it’s being built now.
Would you at this point choose stacking Bitcoin instead of buying real state? A question of many in my circle of friends.
Guess information they geting are none or slow. Need more engagement.
Huh!!? Please explain to me how the “state” will tax on chain bitcoin transactions? If that’s what you’re referring to.
Shitcoiners have been casting spells against it ever since it came to shill their own shitcoins and scams.
I support this
Wow, what a cool device. What is that card?
P2P is the way and POW is the Security 🫂
All within the custodial safety of a node provider, just like a bank! The funny thing is that Bitcoin is fast and cheap on layer 1 already, but greed and number-go-up thinking, as well as shit-talking and an irrational love of code that doesn't begin to resemble the bitcoin white paper have distracted the masses from a bitcoin that actually works.
If you think one lightning transaction is all it takes, maybe you should try one BCH (or Monero!) transaction and you will ask yourself 'why am I wasting my time with Lightning'.
Lightning was invented to solve the problems with bitcoin, that bitcoin was invented to solve for banking. Fast cheap transactions. How stupid is that?
All within the custodial safety of a node provider, just like a bank! The funny thing is that Bitcoin is fast and cheap on layer 1 already, but greed and number-go-up thinking, as well as shit-talking and an irrational love of code that doesn't begin to resemble the bitcoin white paper have distracted the masses from a bitcoin that actually works.
If you think one lightning transaction is all it takes, maybe you should try one BCH (or Monero!) transaction and you will ask yourself 'why am I wasting my time with Lightning'.
Lightning was invented to solve the problems with bitcoin, that bitcoin was invented to solve for banking. Fast cheap transactions. How stupid is that?
I have no idea what you're talking about. Sats here, sats there, why touch shitcoins?
Lightning has so many issues because of it's complexity and abstraction that Monero or even Bitcoin and other L1s don't:
Usability:
-you need to open sufficiently funded channels to be able to even receive or send to begin with (very inconvenient, unintuitive, and annoying)
-limited in the amount you can send without your transaction failing
-can't transact without both parties being online at the time of transaction
-can be force closed onto the base chain against your will
Security:
-can be rugged if your node is offline
-illusion of final settlement (nothing is truly settled until on chain)
-ability to grief honest users with zero cost
-recent unresolvable critical security issues discovered that cannot be fixed without base layer changes
lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2023-October/004154.html
Privacy:
-bad receiver privacy, IP is exposed by default, and hidden balances can be discovered by a passive adversary
-centralization of massive routing nodes negates/reduces any help from onion routing
-relies on large centralizing middlemen nodes for succesful routing and cheapest fees (incentives opposite to decentralization and privacy)
Any solution to these usually come down to custodians or trusting someone else's node. Worst of all it isn't even a real solution for scaling bitcoin for all the downsides you take on:
Lightning Network -- Fundamental Limitations | Truthcoin.Info
ETFs are not going to help either, those shills want your sats locked up and not stimulating a bitcoin circular economy. They will fail in the long run, but would argue they have that as a strategy….idk could be overthinking things too
💯🎯🙌🫡
the onboarding bottleneck is still an issue. LN don't solve UTXOs scarcity. hopefully some covenant proposals can improve that as well
Live, lead by example, forget the advertising machineries.
Places like Boracay, you can buy a burger or pay for haircut with lightning.
In cities not enough people offer lightning payments, because they perceive Bitcoin as other crypto as a scam.
As a start, tip friends and shops with a little Bitcoin, let them just hold it, and get used to looking at in wallet, past the short term volatility.
This is how you refresh the cache in the mind.
From my prospective the primary reason for this, is because people in general are ignorant how a fiat system works and have no interest in educating themselves.
For people who understand how the fiat system works, I'd guess they already have a small bag of BTC.
My small bag is providing me with an ROI of 400%. It is a store of value for me.
As for Lightning and ecash it is predominately all beta software currently, so it needs time to mature.
Bitcoin isn’t yet accepted everywhere because of one simple reason - not so many people really need it today.
Some people are better chasing investments gains elsewhere and we can see they are right in recent years, and they may die/retire before next halving
Some people don’t care about bitcoin because they feel very well in fiat system - those with a lot of real estate, stocks etc can just sit and relax and enjoy for themselves and future generations. All those stories about “big reset” or similar… are just some yetti story for them they heard a lot
And there also a lot of people who can’t care about bitcoin because they have MUCH more important goals - say, to survive. To survive from rusian genocide, rockets, missiles, bombs and all other types of modern warfare equipments (excluding nuclear) supported by people who are out of politics, or who ARE actually politics like Snowden
So it sounds a bit odd when you support genocide of tens of millions of people forcing them to fight for their lives instead of working for bitcoin adoption and at the same moment you are surprised to see low bitcoin adoption 😂
rusian bombs are targeting power plants on winters and nor bitcoin nor lightning work out of thin air, you know
Curious to know Edward, what’s your go to process for showing people how lightning works fast and effective.
I ask because I’d love to do exactly that on social gathering or basically every time someone asks about bitcoin.
Do you just get them to download a custodial wallet like wallet of satoshi and get them their first sats?
Working on a massive Bitcoin guide to share for free with friends and family and anyone. It’s a master doc with everything I’ve read, watch, heard, and books.
I agree. We should continue to educate as many people as possible. Actually, Simple Bitcoin is a great duolingo-type app that many people find easy and they get sats for passing quizzes. It’s amazing.
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Where can I read some of your work?
I’d really like to see
@Cash App go full Lightning and tell everyone about it!
No one will accept your Bitcoins for goods and services, never has, never will.
What's best source to learn about lightning for dummies?
I don't get why you expect from normies to accept bitcoin. Usual people will use bitcoin when everyone does. Most people just reactive.
Sure a custodial centralized app may work OK. Lightning blows to run with no technical skillset. It's not simple to run sovereign without knowing somewhat what how to or spending a lot of time trying to learn.
Because people don't focus on Bitcoin, during that same time you were talking about how great Zcash is. All the people who lost money on Ztrash could have been profitable Hodlers now.
I'm an over thinker I worry too much that's true. Because I don't have anyone to talk to that's positive. There are 2 sides of the story at work. 1 - You're reliable= you'll get promoted 2, -, your back slows you down= you're dispensable you can lose your job at the hospital. They over work you here In Ocala FL and treat people like slaves. And if you dont make it you're homeless. From the directors perspective I'm reliable.
i don't believe it goes even that deep. its more shallow, they read it's used by criminals and that's about it. most of the people are caught up in everyday bs, that keeps them busy. they don't care about bitcoins or freedom tech, all they want is peace of mind i.e give up freedom rather than gain new ones. its kinda sad.
I don't think it's the consumers that need to be convinced. It's the retailers and service providers.
There's so much credit card fraud out there, I'm surprised that more on-line retailers aren't accepting bitcoin on-chain or lightning.
Das ist doch völlig simpel.
Du kannst von heute auf Morgen eine Menge Geld verlieren.
Der Dollar und der Euro haben einen fast immer gleichen Wert. Der Bitcoin NICHT.
Letzte Woche wollte ich ein paar Bitcoin kaufen. Also google angeworfen und geschaut wo ich Bitcoin kaufen kann.
Ausschließlich deutsche Banken. Registrierung nur mit Ausweis.
Ich würde ja gerne aber ich habe absolut keinen Plan woher ich einen Bitcoin herbekomme.
Wie lange kenne ich Bitcoin? 10 Jahre oder länger.
Kennt jemand eine Seite wo ich völlig unproblematisch Euro in Bitcoins tauschen kann? HILFEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The normal people I talk to don’t think about transaction time. To them, Bitcoin is either:
1. An unpredictable investment
2. A scam
3. Evil ocean-burning capitalist decadence
They won't get the reset using media/social media
Way too much censorship still going on
And no one is even aware that important facts are being silenced and others warped out of recognition. As long as it 'looks' slick it 'must be true' #Deception
Time to learn what #bitcoin is runs out fast.
Ja, zb auf Bitpanda wo man sich mit KYC registrieren muss.
Sonst auf der schweizerischen Peach app wo zur Registrierung eine einfache email Adresse genügt (ich habe mich für diesen Zweck eine neue Proton email angeschafft) wobei man über P2P Bitcoin kaufen/verkaufen kann. #BTC
@peachbitcoinPeople love slavery when it’s applied to others. Most do not want freedom. The truth, Bitcoin is not for everyone. It’s for livers of freedom and the greedy second. Therefore, by the time the masses realize the true value of Bitcoin it will be to late. This defaulting back to what’s familiar, enslavement and living from paycheck to paycheck as programmed.
I'm assuming this is sarcasm.
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