seeing prominent bitcoiners in the epstein emails is incredibly disappointing and fucked up

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jeremy rubin, mit media lab amir taaki gavin andresen austin hill, adam back, blockstream brian armstrong, coinbase bryan bishop michael saylor
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Chaincode Labs had close relation with Jeffrey Epstein - Suhas Daftuar, Jeremy Rubin, Alex Morcos Current Leadership Team Adam Jonas - Chief Executive Officer Alex Morcos - Co-Founder Pieter Wuille - Engineer and notable Bitcoin developer. Suhas Daftuar - Co-Founder Clara Shikhelman - Head of Research John Newbery - Director & Engineer, also involved in educational initiatives related to Bitcoin. Gloria Zhao also went to Chaincode.
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Thank you Matt for acknowledging the severity of this and not brushing it off like some people are. For all the "bitcoin is for enemies" and "bad people will use bitcoin" people in the comments: You can continue to like Bitcoin and still not excuse individuals with Epstein connections, especially if it happened after he was convicted of soliciting sex with a minor in 2008. This isn't about "evil people using bitcoin", it's about people active in Bitcoin development having financial connections to a convicted pedo and known sexual blackmailer. If that doesn't concern you then you are one of the evil people.
Being into bitcoin, doesn't automatically turn you into a good person.
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Toby McMann 2 days ago
We like to think we are some obscure corner of the internet. The reality is that we are the future, and the ruling class has known it since nearly the beginning. 👀 View quoted note →
Yeah I've heard that. That's a big win for MS. Who wouldn't want to be called a creep by JE
Time to stop simping for @Blockstream and to start finally using the few brain cells which are left to question why they want to keep blocks small to sell their shitcoin solution, Liquid, where they earn all the fees and give them your BTC for their selfmade corporate chain token. Or just bury your head in the sand for another 8 years and watch BTC die because it becomes irrelevant.
So if Epstein sends you an email requesting a meetig .. you are guilty? That's ridiculous. Why even bring up the names of those type of people? Who cares about any of this anyways. The wealthy powerful people that are actually guilty will never meet true justice through the legal system. Epstein is nothing more than a laser pointer for the masses to chase around. Protests achieve nothing Voting harder never works Investigation go nowhere Judges are corrupt Information releases are redacted (meaning nothing of real value is ever released) At this point only vigilantes can bring justice to these poeple.
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Engineer 2 days ago
Yes. OTOH, if they are fabricated, I would expect the people implicated tosapeak up. We will see.
"Mass adoption of Bitcoin isn't hindered by a lack of access, but by a lack of will. Many people recognize that the current financial system is broken, yet they remain paralyzed by the familiar. ---It’s a form of systemic complacency: they would rather suffer within a failing status quo than exert the effort to understand a new one." In my YouTube videos where I talk about changing your mind I don't just say that to say it ... I mean it because until we do so nothing will change ... We must be the change we want to see...
Wrong. I haven't seen any prominent bitcoiners in the Epstein emails yet. I have seen only coretards in the Epstein emails. Just a reminder, shitcoin core/pedo core is not bitcoin.
Is there any group that doesn’t have any kind of involvement with the guy? He was a broker, a facilitator, probably the biggest one ever.
People like Adam are not just users, they are intricately involved in its development. That's where the disappointment stems
Emails have unforgeable headers. It's one good thing about that aging tech. But we have to see the source documents, not redacted screenshots.
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Benking 2 days ago
This is why we stay sovereign. Still fucked up though.
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Coin's Lord 2 days ago
Easy clean clear fast unmonitored transactions 😕😕😕😕 Fuck #Epstein 🧐🧐🧐
i think the point more is that something seemed off about some of the people who actually went right through with deals (eg blockstream) and that some of us, and i recall that you are not a civil debate partner, have been saying there's something amiss in some of the big name bitcoin companies, for, well, nearing on a decade in some cases.
Don't expect much from @ODELL to purge bad actors though because he could be in bed with these bad actors otherwise there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO RUN SHITCOIN CORE AT THIS POINT unless you are bad actor/pedo or you have severe Luke/Ocean/Knots Derangement Syndrome
Years in bitcoin space, lot of influence and traction, funding Core as the starship and still we, the node runner, fighting his nonsense and gaslighting every day. As always, either he is lucky idiot or is compromised. The "how we supposed to know" is not an excuse since the first iteration of this V30 disaster.
Yes, but after reading all the responses to this, I agree with most of them. More dirt will probably come out as to why these people visited, but maybe by chance some only went and didn't get tricked? (hopefully) We don't need any more neg press, so that sucks. The funny thing is that my real Bitcoin journey can be credited to Whitney Webb... My gf sent me a link of her talking about her book and after searching some more of her interviews, I landed on the one where she was on TFTC - and have been learning and stacking as much as I can since! This too shall pass... I appreciate you and all the podcasters/authors/analysts in this space. I know that good will prevail! 👊
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fade2 2 days ago
Luke was right all along......
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Rand 2 days ago
i purgED allreadEEE fFs mfRz/*
I guess this only teaches that there are no such people as "prominent bitcoiners"
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Would somebody please explicity spell out the absolute worst thing about the Jeffrey Epstein files' connection to bitcoin? Please make sure you flag the sensitive content, because the way some of you are talking it sounds particularly DAMNING for Core/Blockstream et all.
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FEW_BTC 2 days ago
this is fun... just happy to be here. ;)
Adam Back, Jeremy Rubin, Bryan Bishop, Matt Corallo, Vladimir van der Laan… the list keeps growing each day.
Really? This kinda asset attracts all sorts of agencies and shady characters. We should be happy that it fuckin survived and the code is intact and open source.
If you fuck with little kids, sexually assault, and rape anyone…that is unforgivable in my book. If person does not own their body, there is no law at all.
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Tom Paints 2 days ago
Also depressing seeing how many influencers are carrying water for, simping for obviously corrupted people. People have been calling Adam Back out for months.
I think it's opened my eyes to Bitcoin being under constant attack, and from multiple vectors. It's easy to get carried away with clickbaity content that satisfies the hopium, and I've certainly been guilty of succumbing to that. But, we've got to be mindful of hero-worshipping and the cult of personality. Bullshit needs to be challenged and there's a lot floating around right now.
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PAKES 2 days ago
Which Bitcoiners are in the mails?
When you become a dad long you learn to spot the freaks from a mile away. You can spot them anywhere, not just bitcoin. OG bitcoiners overindex for fucked up shit because some came from a counterculture and got wealthy very young and very fast. I love bitcoin and my fellow bitcoiners but thats just the way it is. I, for one, am not surprised at all about all the depraved shit being disclosed. stay humble and stack sats (and ammo.)
hard to understand the upside of your posts here: Jeremy Rubin (MIT Media Lab / DCI) -Appears only by institutional association with MIT. -Epstein donated to MIT Media Lab broadly. -No emails, meetings, funding, or personal relationship involving Rubin. Amir Taaki -Name appears only as a historical Bitcoin figure reference. -No correspondence, meetings, funding, or institutional overlap. Gavin Andresen -Referenced as an influential Bitcoin developer. -No emails, meetings, funding, or relationship with Epstein. Austin Hill (Blockstream) -Appears in early Blockstream seed-era context as a company Epstein explored. -No evidence of meetings, solicitation, or Epstein investment. -No personal correspondence shown. Adam Back (Blockstream) -Named because of Blockstream, not personal contact. -No emails, meetings, funding, or relationship with Epstein. Brian Armstrong (Coinbase) -Mentioned in VC deal-flow emails where Epstein attempted access to Coinbase. -No emails to/from Armstrong. -No evidence Armstrong met Epstein or accepted capital. Bryan Bishop -Appears only as a technical / research name reference. -No emails, meetings, funding, or institutional ties. Michael Saylor -Referenced as a macro/tech figure. -No emails, meetings, funding, or relationship shown. -Any reference predates his Bitcoin involvement. (Above is AI assisted obviously.)
also dint forget that some are just complete dorks and dont even realiza what they are saying or getting into: nevent1qqsvrjnjeagsyflpm2xn96krgcg50m28ggm7e6kv3n0ywxds5u0cgusyk3tg0
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taylor 2 days ago
this is the perspective with which to properly view BIP110 we are under attack bullshit contiguous data on the block chain is the attack
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U 2 days ago
Is luke always the good guy 😂
Not being apologetic BUT… this is still coming from the government and I could see them throwing some legit pedos under the bus just to legitimize them falsely tainting the reputation of some people. Which results in infighting in powerful circles, weakening them and thereby keeping the powerful in power. I assume during this information war almost everything is plausible.
What's also interesting about all of this is that we can assume Google has it all? Guessing Google bruhs are implicated and so JE had no issue using gmail. I guess his opsec is simply "I have a pic of you doing something naughty"?
I really wish he was a one-off kind of person, that others didn’t exist but that’s not the reality in the world! Instead of going to Epstein island, how many businessmen and politicians travel to Dubai to “close deals”!?!? 100% sure someday there will be a Dubai files! We live in a very dirty world where corruption, slavery, blackmail, human trafficking, politics and business mix at the highest level!
This will resonate well with you as you were one of the CSAM excusers.
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Coretards: Those bad Knotzis call us pedos because large OP_RETURN allow embedding CSAM in Bitcoin 3 Months Later: Coretards appear in Epstein files You can't make this shit up. Run Bitcoin Knots + BIP110 because Bitcoin is Freedom Money image
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OP_RETURN doesn’t create CSAM, just like TCP/IP doesn’t. Neutral protocols endure because they don’t encode ideology. BIP-110 trades neutrality for moral theater and weakens censorship resistance. Run it if you want, just don’t confuse a policy fork with Bitcoin’s most-work chain.
If they didn't notice that they lost this battle when Peter Todd put the entirety of BIP-444 in a transaction in a way that was BIP-444 compliant it's a good sign you're arguing with someone who can't listen to reason. Just enjoy the airdropped fork, assuming you can dump it before the 51% attacks and zero market value make it completely zero bid. Big if. Not saying anyone has to like the fact that this is how information works. But heads in sand rarely change the nature of reality. At BEST it'd solve a legal problem -- but only one of their own making. The ethics aren't any different; contiguous or otherwise. And if bitcoin is about legality we've already lost the ethical battle anyway.
Good luck. Run it. Run BIP 110 and be ready to die on your hill. I don't insult you so stop with throwing morons around. It doesn't make your case any stronger.
I run it and I hope you open your eyes if you are not part of the Core cabal.
The point wasn't that I like Peter Todd. It was that the action laid bare the inaccuracy that BIP-110 can in any way prevent the hosting of CSAM on chain, making all of the moralistic crusading very clearly a bad faith argument. I do happen to like what Knots was prior to this whole op_return drama, and would have liked to see it continue growing. Instead, it's been turned into a sideshow. Over the inclusion of a harm reduction measure that costs more to use than more harmful alternatives. This whole charade has been an own goal of epic proportions, and an immense waste of resources and brainpower. Policy filters may not solve much entirely but with enough of a userbase they'd have made things too unpredictable for what some of the nonsense can tolerate. This forking meanwhile has ensured that this won't be an issue. Rather than fight spam, I expect the outcome of it to actually be more of the fillip garbage and utxo bloat. All while leaving anyone who wants to put abusive images on chain no less impeded than they were.
Well BIP110 reduces ALL arbitrary data. There are ways to contain UTXO bloat.
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Sun of the Moon 20 hours ago
It's incel-in-waiting, latte slurping, Adam Back got lost walking in the woods rescue patrol squad leader, culturally appropriating Bitcoin cultural appropriator Nostr Rambo Jamerson Lopp, has something to say..🤣