My small town with absolutely minimal crime put up AI surveillance cameras. Tonight is the second town council meeting about them. The last one was intense afaik. I think I'm gonna go. Any advice?

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Cody 6 months ago
Ask how many times the cameras would need to be destroyed before it would become too costly to continue the program. Then hope for a vigilante that will destroy all the cameras on a regular basis.
1) shout incoherently 2) take off your pants and shit in your hands 3) throw it at the city council members that'll get your point across.
Give them hell, but don't do it in a way that gets you booted from the council meeting unless it is in a way that makes them look completely unreasonable and stupid.
Got any legalese wording for a question I can ask on that? Someone gave me this one for a separate but similar issue: "If the council puts up surveillance cameras, the footage becomes discoverable by anyone who has a court case or proceeding in which the footage may be relevant. There will also be Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests by citizens who have a right to see the footage simply because it exists. Other cities which have implemented surveillance have had issues dealing with the increased volume of requests. What does the council anticipate will be the increased costs of responding to discovery and FOIA requests, and how does the council propose to pay for it?"
Just think, every corner in town could be capturing the next Coldplay concert couple! image
Reading the comments on Nostr vs Xitter is so eye opening. Nostriches are just built different. 💪
I'd ask them which part of German history they want to repeat. Nazis were a great inspiration of how to use lists to deal with people you don't like in your town Stasi was neighbourhood watch on steroids before people even invented it If Germans have figured it out a century ago why can't we have all the beautiful things that come to fruition within a conformist society?
Mention how in Britain it's become a sport to destroy the very expensive cameras, and in your community most men can blow the head off of a squirrel from 100 yards with a scope and a 22.
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Deleted Account 6 months ago
You’re a poplar guy, Run for office. 🍻 If you aren’t willing to run for office, you will be ruled by your lessors. I paraphrased, but Plato wrote that 2500 years ago.
These cameras are going up as a result of corruption. There's stuff on YouTube about it - I'd look for that and come armed with receipts.
Go speak at the podium. "Good evening, Council. I want to commend you on your commitment to public safety... truly inspiring. The proposed AI surveillance initiative for our neighborhoods is a bold step toward keeping everyone secure. That said, I can’t help but feel it doesn’t go quite far enough. Given how passionate, or some might say very upset, many residents are about your recent decisions, I worry about your personal safety. It seems only logical, then, that we extend these surveillance measures to the places you’re most vulnerable: your own homes. Of course, I understand there could be concerns about privacy. But if constant monitoring is a reasonable tradeoff for safety when applied to the public, I’m sure it’s just as reasonable when applied to those making the decisions. After all, if there’s nothing to hide, there’s nothing to fear. Thank you for your time"
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Deleted Account 6 months ago
Well, the alternatives involve violence and or compliance. Im not here to advocate those so I guess we’re not in agreement.
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+Ragamuffin! 6 months ago
Seen this running around. Give it a try. Here’s a template to file foia/pra in your city: To the Custodian of Records: Pursuant to the (your state here) Public Records Act (your state's public records act code.), I request access to and copies of the following public records relating to the (your local police) Police Department’s surveillance camera network reportedly consisting of more than 2,600 cameras deployed throughout the city. Please provide records covering the period January 1, 2020 through present unless otherwise specified. 1. Policies and Legal Authority All policies, procedures, memoranda, directives, or legal analyses governing: -The deployment and operation of surveillance cameras within __________ -Any legal justification for the program under federal or state constitutional law -Policies governing Fourth Amendment considerations or privacy protections -Any City Council ordinances or resolutions authorizing the camera network 2. Contracts and Vendors All contracts, agreements, memoranda of understanding, purchase orders, or amendments with vendors or service providers related to: -Surveillance cameras -Automated license plate readers -Real-time crime centers -Video analytics, facial recognition, or artificial intelligence -Data storage or cloud services used for camera footage Please include vendor proposals, RFP responses, and bid documents. 3. Camera Locations Records identifying: -The number and location of cameras deployed -Maps, GIS datasets, or inventories of surveillance devices -Any classification of cameras as public, private-partner, or third-party integrated cameras (If precise coordinates are withheld, provide generalized location records or district-level inventories.) 4. Data Retention and Access All records describing: -Video retention schedules -Policies for deletion or archiving of footage -Which agencies or departments have access to the camera network -Any data sharing agreements with other agencies including but not limited to: -(your state) Highway Patrol -Federal agencies (FBI, DHS, ICE, etc.) -Regional task forces 5. Private Camera Integration Programs All records relating to programs that integrate privately owned cameras into the police network, including: -Agreements with homeowners, businesses, or HOAs -Terms of participation -Data access rights granted to the police department 6. Surveillance Technology Capabilities Records describing whether the system includes or supports: -Facial recognition -License plate recognition -Behavioral analytics -Crowd detection -Real-time monitoring centers 7. Crime Reduction Claims All records, reports, studies, or internal analyses supporting claims that the surveillance network caused reductions in crime, including: -Statistical reports -Internal evaluations -Communications discussing the effectiveness of the system 8. Communications Emails, memoranda, and internal communications between (your city) Police Department personnel, City officials, or vendors referencing: -Expansion of the camera network -Privacy concerns -Public opposition or legal review Search terms should include: “camera network”, “surveillance cameras”, “real time crime center”, "Aerodome", "Raven", “ALPR”, “Flock”, “facial recognition”, and “camera integration”. Format Please provide records in electronic format via email or download link. If any records are withheld, please provide the specific statutory exemption relied upon and produce all reasonably segregable portions of responsive documents. Fee Waiver This request concerns matters of significant public interest involving government surveillance and constitutional rights, and any fees should be waived or minimized. I look forward to your response within the statutory timeframe.
Exactly…and Flock has lots of issues with data security, let the council know they may be opening up the city to liability for data breaches or misused data. This will end up costing the city way more than any “potential savings” they may be preaching
Announce you are forming a group to place consequences on everyone responsible. These people should be shunned. If they have a business, boycott it. Get them fired from their jobs.
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