Read the Declaration of Independence.

Pack heat

Rage against the machine

You should flip right out about it. Aim to get forcibly removed while ranting like a loon. Identify as pissed off.

What’s their sales pitch? If there’s no crime to catch, why buy it? Or more directly, follow the money. Someone is getting paid, and probably sold (lied) to the decision makers. Next, inform the decision makers (I’m assuming town councillors?) that if they do this an election will be forced and they’ll all be off. And make sure to state that as fact, not a hypothetical. They need to see it as a direct and immediate consequence of a retarded decision.

Definitely go and lose your shit over it

You could suggest that they be allowed, as long as the streams are open for everyone to view on the internets.

Tell them they’re appropriating Chinese culture

Worth reading twice.

Found a reddit post with some useful links. post: https://www.reddit.com/r/SanJose/comments/1qnqvev/louis_rossman_is_starting_a_movement_against/ links:

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DeFlock

Find license plate readers (LPRs) near you.

Bring you own security camera and mount it on a pole and see how they board likes it.

Don't come off as a crazy radical or emotional, make well articulated, logical arguments against it

Killdozer

Ask how many times the cameras would need to be destroyed before it would become too costly to continue the program. Then hope for a vigilante that will destroy all the cameras on a regular basis.

Ask about data custody. Demand transparency. “Trusted third parties are security holes.”

Zero crime… SO FAR! Just wait for all the juicy shit the cameras are gonna uncover!

Do something like this LOL:

1) shout incoherently 2) take off your pants and shit in your hands 3) throw it at the city council members that'll get your point across.

This unfortunately went over too many heads. 🚜

Hot bananas, THIS. Tell them it’s to reduce crime, and when they say there’s no crime yell “EXACTLY” and mic drop. They probably won’t get it but it’ll make for a great viral clip.

Advocate to put one where nobody wants one, your rationale being that it will stop crime. Advocate to put one outside the police station, to keep the police safe of course. Put one outside a public restroom as to deter any vandals.

Destroy the cameras while everyone is at the meeting.

Give them hell, but don't do it in a way that gets you booted from the council meeting unless it is in a way that makes them look completely unreasonable and stupid.

“Why should I trust the government to be involved in this, for the rest of my life and probably my kid’s lifetime?” “If this system is secure, let’s put your name, SSN, home address, birthday, home address and banking information in that database”

They put them up because they are afraid of being liable for crime. You must convince them they have liability for data breaches and they will be socially shammed for being tyrant scum.

I'd suggest a motion to include an independent third party cybersecurity audit of the company as part of the terms of agreement. If the audit determines that the company is not adequately protecting consumer data (if it's Flock, they aren't), then no deal. Flock has a very "trust me bro" stance on their security and data protection policies, so an actual audit needs to be done, rather than just talking to a PR rep. I'd also ask them what guarantees/protections are being discussed regarding the unauthorized access or sale of collected data by third parties. Is there a predetermined term length for the contract? Can it be broken at any time or will the city be obligated to allow them to operate for the full term? What stipulations are noted for determining a breach of contract? What consequences are there if the contract is broken or if the company is found to be acting unethically? Scary stuff man. The Lowes next to my workplace just had a flock camera installed that points directly at my parking spot. It takes all I have every day not to go buy a saw and cut it down. Good luck!! 🦙🦙

Calmly saying you are outraged and providing a prepared argument for why the cameras will lead to something much worse than crime is probably the way I would go. Being calm and angry at the same time shows you respect them and are doing it not because you are angry, but because you care about your town. Also I think stating your stake in the town and what you do would help lend yourself credibility. But I'm not sure man. You got this.

Got any legalese wording for a question I can ask on that? Someone gave me this one for a separate but similar issue: "If the council puts up surveillance cameras, the footage becomes discoverable by anyone who has a court case or proceeding in which the footage may be relevant. There will also be Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests by citizens who have a right to see the footage simply because it exists. Other cities which have implemented surveillance have had issues dealing with the increased volume of requests. What does the council anticipate will be the increased costs of responding to discovery and FOIA requests, and how does the council propose to pay for it?"

In the mayors office?

Just think, every corner in town could be capturing the next Coldplay concert couple!

😂😂 only in comic books

Riiiiight.

Bring a gun

Talk like you’re Jeff booth

Reading the comments on Nostr vs Xitter is so eye opening. Nostriches are just built different. 💪

Of course

These are the kind of people who found Bitcoin last cycle. View quoted note →

AI cameras? What could possibly go wrong.

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I'd ask them which part of German history they want to repeat. Nazis were a great inspiration of how to use lists to deal with people you don't like in your town Stasi was neighbourhood watch on steroids before people even invented it If Germans have figured it out a century ago why can't we have all the beautiful things that come to fruition within a conformist society?

It’s insanity that a small group of people go and decide what happens to everyone in the city

Pigs love them because it makes it easy for them to stalk their crush. Funny that person on twitter said if they are on public land what’s the issue? The fact they are on public land is exactly what the issue is. If you want to put them up on your own private property go ahead but don’t start polluting public land with your mass surveillance crap.

I think it's a great idea. And hey, while we're at it, maybe the city can implement a program of spontaneously sending police to check on families with young kids to make sure the kids aren't playing with sharp objects

Mention how in Britain it's become a sport to destroy the very expensive cameras, and in your community most men can blow the head off of a squirrel from 100 yards with a scope and a 22.

For safety of the mayor!

Today I received a ‘warning’ in the mail from a traffic cam. Surveillance scumbags.

See Louis Rossmann's videos on the topic. https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=Louis+rossmann+ai+cameras

Ask the questions! - how much did they cost - who has access to the data - who proposed them - what does "success" for their deployment look like - and for whom?

You’re a poplar guy, Run for office. 🍻 If you aren’t willing to run for office, you will be ruled by your lessors. I paraphrased, but Plato wrote that 2500 years ago.

Plato can be forgiven, antistate free market anarcho-capitalism hadn't been invented yet ;)

Bring the cameras with you. 😉

...every city in the developed world

Forgiveness for what exactly? Anyone who’s ever been to even a small HOA meeting, will tell you, the only people willing to do that work are exactly the people that shouldn’t be in charge of much.

These cameras are going up as a result of corruption. There's stuff on YouTube about it - I'd look for that and come armed with receipts.

Unfortunately they will use it without a warrant (spying) monitoring/tracking the public, I honestly don't know what you can do, and more countries will follow👀, it's a worldwide phenomenon

Go speak at the podium. "Good evening, Council. I want to commend you on your commitment to public safety... truly inspiring. The proposed AI surveillance initiative for our neighborhoods is a bold step toward keeping everyone secure. That said, I can’t help but feel it doesn’t go quite far enough. Given how passionate, or some might say very upset, many residents are about your recent decisions, I worry about your personal safety. It seems only logical, then, that we extend these surveillance measures to the places you’re most vulnerable: your own homes. Of course, I understand there could be concerns about privacy. But if constant monitoring is a reasonable tradeoff for safety when applied to the public, I’m sure it’s just as reasonable when applied to those making the decisions. After all, if there’s nothing to hide, there’s nothing to fear. Thank you for your time"

Just tea bag the cameras. Sorry, I mean, potato sack them in your case.

No legalese, more along “When something goes wrong with this system, when one of our neighbors is falsely identified or someone’s privacy is exploited, is it your expectation that we will blame some large faceless corporation or should we rightly blame you for inviting them into our community? You have chosen this company as your friend, is it fair we judge you by the friends you keep?” I also like the idea of accusing them of appropriate Chinese culture.

he can be forgiven for advocating for structures involving coercive rule by an "elected" class

Well, the alternatives involve violence and or compliance. Im not here to advocate those so I guess we’re not in agreement.

stay calm, don't yell or cuss because that just gives them a reason to ignore you.

I was going to post a link to this site as well. They seem to be popping up more and more lately. Definitely need to push back on this stuff more.

You want it shut down asap

Seen this running around. Give it a try. Here’s a template to file foia/pra in your city: To the Custodian of Records: Pursuant to the (your state here) Public Records Act (your state's public records act code.), I request access to and copies of the following public records relating to the (your local police) Police Department’s surveillance camera network reportedly consisting of more than 2,600 cameras deployed throughout the city. Please provide records covering the period January 1, 2020 through present unless otherwise specified. 1. Policies and Legal Authority All policies, procedures, memoranda, directives, or legal analyses governing: -The deployment and operation of surveillance cameras within __________ -Any legal justification for the program under federal or state constitutional law -Policies governing Fourth Amendment considerations or privacy protections -Any City Council ordinances or resolutions authorizing the camera network 2. Contracts and Vendors All contracts, agreements, memoranda of understanding, purchase orders, or amendments with vendors or service providers related to: -Surveillance cameras -Automated license plate readers -Real-time crime centers -Video analytics, facial recognition, or artificial intelligence -Data storage or cloud services used for camera footage Please include vendor proposals, RFP responses, and bid documents. 3. Camera Locations Records identifying: -The number and location of cameras deployed -Maps, GIS datasets, or inventories of surveillance devices -Any classification of cameras as public, private-partner, or third-party integrated cameras (If precise coordinates are withheld, provide generalized location records or district-level inventories.) 4. Data Retention and Access All records describing: -Video retention schedules -Policies for deletion or archiving of footage -Which agencies or departments have access to the camera network -Any data sharing agreements with other agencies including but not limited to: -(your state) Highway Patrol -Federal agencies (FBI, DHS, ICE, etc.) -Regional task forces 5. Private Camera Integration Programs All records relating to programs that integrate privately owned cameras into the police network, including: -Agreements with homeowners, businesses, or HOAs -Terms of participation -Data access rights granted to the police department 6. Surveillance Technology Capabilities Records describing whether the system includes or supports: -Facial recognition -License plate recognition -Behavioral analytics -Crowd detection -Real-time monitoring centers 7. Crime Reduction Claims All records, reports, studies, or internal analyses supporting claims that the surveillance network caused reductions in crime, including: -Statistical reports -Internal evaluations -Communications discussing the effectiveness of the system 8. Communications Emails, memoranda, and internal communications between (your city) Police Department personnel, City officials, or vendors referencing: -Expansion of the camera network -Privacy concerns -Public opposition or legal review Search terms should include: “camera network”, “surveillance cameras”, “real time crime center”, "Aerodome", "Raven", “ALPR”, “Flock”, “facial recognition”, and “camera integration”. Format Please provide records in electronic format via email or download link. If any records are withheld, please provide the specific statutory exemption relied upon and produce all reasonably segregable portions of responsive documents. Fee Waiver This request concerns matters of significant public interest involving government surveillance and constitutional rights, and any fees should be waived or minimized. I look forward to your response within the statutory timeframe.

There’s always the barrel. Like Diogenes.

Go there with those blue latex gloves, and tell them on your turn that they will be subject to full cavity searches, if they have nothing to hide they should be perfectly fine with it right? As they should be under public scrutiny and safety since they have nothing to hide..

Insanity

If you want something from the councillors, start to rub shoulders with them. Sadly the only way, which is ineffective, which is why we bitcoin

Exactly…and Flock has lots of issues with data security, let the council know they may be opening up the city to liability for data breaches or misused data. This will end up costing the city way more than any “potential savings” they may be preaching

These ancient Greeks were smart people.

Announce you are forming a group to place consequences on everyone responsible. These people should be shunned. If they have a business, boycott it. Get them fired from their jobs.

this conversation has been happening in my (small, rural) town also, and i've been considering the same... good ideas in this thread. let us know if you do it. you're inspiring me now

It’s bad incentives (inflationary SOV) that drive such behavior and only good incentives (hard money) will help to build a high trust, non-zero sum society. I don’t think those hoping to benefit from such surveillance architecture expect most of us to be around to enjoy the positive-sum world that will come after this transformation.

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