The truth is slightly different. There are several domains around cashu as there are several domains around nostr. I pointed

ecash – BitcoinScoresby

which was an idea that I had and bought. Calle then made accusations of me squatting it, and various threats to extort it. I simply said that it was not in my current plans, given the hostile reaction. He then banned me from the chat room. Quite ridiculous really. He already has a home page. Each to their own.

I am more embarrassed of putting someone in the pillory 🤣 for collective rationality? I don't care what you do with the domain.

lol, he did the same to @gsovereignty ‘s nostr dot me

Feb 20. It's been almost a year dude. You have no affiliation with the project and you could've handed it over right then if you wanted to help the project or be a decent human (or at least you could've identified yourself as the owner). I even talked about this incident on @DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞's pod. You're the domain sniper! Anyway, at least now we all know it was you.

Yeah @Melvin Carvalho do you have a weird fetish about snagging domains instead of contributing to projects?

i suspect that his worst fear is no attention.

Well, domain is a property and he can do with it whatever he wants imo. First come first served. @Ben Arc paid a lot to get back domain he really want that someone snatched it and he doesn't point fingers at them whoever it was.

Of course he can, we all know that. But we also all know that you're a shitty person if you do that (at least all grown ups in the room do).

I believe the two of you will reach an agreement 🤝

Not surprised, he seems to enjoy sniping from the sidelines. Keep going, those who don’t put skin in the game will be forgotten in time. You produce value, keep at it

Who cares about the domain, it's better to know the character of a man, right @Melvin Carvalho?

The truth is slightly different: * you sniped it after the main contributor of the open source project with said domain name expressed the desire to get the domain * After asking in the groupchat if someone sniped the domain, you remained silent * you neither did anything with the domain, nor did you contribute to the project As said, it's your LEGAL right to do with it whatever you want. It's also @calle s right to ban you from the group for actively trying to sabotage So what are we talking about? Also, which threats of extortion were made? That's a pretty serious accusation

I asked of course. He said maybe then he said yes then he said no. I don't negotiate with terrorist.

What’s the point of holding it @Melvin Carvalho ? I’m curious

Yo we need to talk about cashu? Should the #bitaxe community have its own cashu mint for croudfunding and bootstrapping?

Let's talk

I was trying to come up with some domain names today and a surprising amount of nostr ones were taken lol. ended up grabbing otherstuff.app

do you have any plans on using the domain at least?

Might as well cancel your whole project now

Good luck @calle if you think shaming Melvin would make him change. He’s like the #1 top victim on Nostr. If he had any shame he’d be a different person.

Hes also muted just about every nostr developer at this point XD

Guess it's just in case it might turn valuable in the future. That's usually why people squat domains without using them.

Ask for a price. Maybe it's reasonable. And of course domains will get sniped if you produce value but some might just hold the domain to give it to you for barely a premium above what they paid over the time that they held it. Is he asking millions? Maybe now he will as publicly calling him a terrorist for registering a domain is not exactly diplomatic.

Oh, that is a relevant detail. WTF, how low of @Melvin Carvalho 😟

lmao

Reminds me of Bitcoin Cash with bitcoin.com.

lol

So #bitaxe is a growing community and I see most people don't take it seriously. I think that's a big mistake. how can Bitaxers benefit from a cashu mint? Ecash for Bitaxe could open a lot of possibilities. More privacy? Faster Transaction? What am I missing here?

I mean yea obviously

I only later read that he was in a group chat where people were brainstorming domain ideas when he registered this domain. Hey, great confidence was not abused here! /s

That's kind of an odd one.

🧐

that's a scum move from him 😑

Sorry, not the same

@Melvin Carvalho is mega based for that.

True. What else could they possibly do?

🤢 that's a low blow. sniping a relevant and discussed domain while it's actively being discussed in a R&D group chat. 🥜 GFY ⚡️

Calle didn't want to negotiate. Clearly Calle didn't want the domain that badly. I don't see the issue here.

Melvin was the one discussing it though...

he suggested it, Calle said to not snipe it and he would get it. Melvin proceeded to snipe it (which in fairness he does have every right to do), but then to withhold it from the project 🤡🤣 didn't seem to admit to sniping it in the group chat (from what I've seen) 🤷‍♂️ didn't seem willing to allow the project to use it 🤷‍♂️ doesn't seem like something that progresses the FOSS ethos, or more broadly community in general. it seems like he sniped it intentionally. he has every right to do this, and I've the right to think it's extremely childish, selfish, and a shameful shitty thing to do. I'm always open to having my mind changed though.

How is the .cash TLD an official representation of the cashu project? Not supporting domain squatting, but I can't help but find it an odd demand if it's an open source project. Would this have been said about any TLD with "cashu" in it?

Adversarial world. Change Cashu’s name and create the future you want. Rebrand.

Report his ass to ICANN.

Good to know 😬

Is there any other entity that combines the concept of cashus and money transfer?

@Melvin Carvalho

Me neither

duly noted

Domains are shitcoins.

lol at least own up to being a domain squatter if that’s clearly what you’re doing

Bro... 😒

So how much do you want for it @Melvin Carvalho ?

The FOSS ethos is stupid. If I had the ability to destroy people's access to an idea by never having created it in the first place, then nobody has the right to complain when I destroy their access to it in another, more noticable way. Like claiming a domain or paywalling a piece of software. That's why I hope DRM wins in the end. The right to control an idea always belongs to the actor the idea depends on.

Hello, i want to make translation for cashu.me wallet where i can do this ?

my retardedometer worked even this time, I didnt read a single good take from he.

nah ok I'm a bit exxagerating. Still I dont like many of his take on a lot of things and my retardometer ringed a lot

You can't expect all cashu domains to be gifted to you, and public shaming/witch hunting doesn't help your cause. @Melvin Carvalho is a good dude, and I'm sure will use it for good one day. Offer some money for it. "give me this"... "no"... "okay, I will shame you", isn't the way.

I both hate and respect them. They made easy money on that one 😂😭

He has also been active in the Cashu group for a good while. I'd apologise then help him do something good with it, or negotiate a price.

(no thanks)

Is something funny? Speak up!

ya, it seems kinda ironic to be so vocally anti-FOSS, while using nostr and discussing cashu 🤷‍♂️ do you fam

Thanks, Ben!

X like behavior

It's obvious you havent followed the situation. Looking into it, its hard not to attribute bad faith to Carvalho.

Is this a parody account?

Why? It's his domain. He's been involved in cashu since the beginning, has built cashu things. Whats the bar for "contributor"? as excluding him excludes 95% of the Cashu community. Trying to bully him out of his domain is lame.

GitHub

GitHub - nostrapps/cashu: cashu node library

cashu node library. Contribute to nostrapps/cashu development by creating an account on GitHub.

I don't think it's ironic at all! As far as I'm concerned, the benefit of Nostr is that it puts the control in the hands of the user what content they allow themselves to see. To me, the fact that Nostr is open source is 100% a means to an end; I would value Nostr just as much if it was closed source and paywalled! And of course I'm here in a conversation about an open source piece of software. I love talking with people I disagree with. It's a very important part of figuring out where your thought process went so wrong! Speaking of which, is my guess on the mark? My first rough hypothesis was that you guys think developers have an obligation to produce software for strangers. Another weird idea is that you guys hate knowing that you are missing out on a piece of software, and would rather someone pretend not to have any software ideas than that you have to see software that you aren't willing to pay for. Are either of those correct yet? Is there something I'm still missing?

I do like my jokes, but I'd like you to treat those as my actual thoughts in this case. Is there anything that makes what I said look inauthentic?

I think I understand what you're saying, but no, those are not my beliefs. I don't feel entitled to any software or that developers should make things free. I'm happy to pay for products that serve a valuable service to me. my issue really lies in the trust one needs to put into developers and/or companies ESPECIALLY if it is closed source. I've seen too many times where closed systems are manipulated to the detriment of the users. this manipulation could be done with malicious intent, or by accident. when source code is available and builds reproducible the users are capable of seeing WHAT the software is ACTUALLY doing. for example, if any nostr client was proprietary/closed source there is no way to verify that upon keygen in a client that the developer is not creating a copy of said key. now I'm not saying FOSS is a silver bullet for my issues with proprietary software but is a means to an end.

Fascinating! It sounds like open source software is just a means to an end to you too! The way to test that hypothesis would be to see what you would think of software that can be somehow proven to maintain some sort of internal condition (such as the integrity of a private key) without being decompilable. I suspect this wouldn't be very difficult actually if programs that are infeasable to decompile are ever developed. The only reason proprietary software is so sketchy I think is because they are relying so heavily on security through obscurity. Perfect DRM and this goes away. But I digress! Right now I see three issues with this new hypothesis. The first issue is your use of the term FOSS, instead of OSS. I have heard many people arguing strongly about how different those things are, even if the OSS allows people to reproduce the build. So which is it? Is it enough that the software be open source? Why add in that it be "free"? The second issue is what you choose to complain about in this particular case. Your barf emoji doesn't seem to be based on Melvin somehow impacting security or transparency, but rather your complaints appear to be based on how Melvin's actions relate to the software community and ethos that you cherish on their own. And finally, the fact that you chose a reasoning for your actions that is impossible to otherwise falsify is very sketchy! Of course you will claim you like security and transparency! At this point in time, security and transparency MEANS open source! If you really don't feel entitled, then it just seems like you hate the idea that stinginess could mean missing out on software. It sounds like you would rather someone never make a piece of software public if they are going to make people pay for it. It sounds like you would have much preferred that Melvin kept his domain ideas to himself, rather than allowing anyone from the cashew team to realize what they might be missing out on. But who knows! I would love to hear more from you. Your perspective is definitely different from mine. I wouldn't care at all if some Nostr developer tried to steal my account key for example! I really don't know what you are going to say next, and I'd love to hear more from you. Is there anything I'm still missing? Did I make any mistakes?

What would you have done? Put yourself in that situation. You are discussing domain names, and you go squat one up. Not any domain, but the one that the project actually wanted to take. Would you have kept it almost a year and told everyone afterwards? Would you have donated it to the project? Would you at least have explained your reasons why you acted the way you did? I know it's his domain, and there's no legal discussion here. I'm just struggling to see any good reasons why he did what he did.

You're in good company. If Melvin hasn't muted you, have you even really said anything? 🤔

Asciidoc sort of solves for HTML injection, at least, as it has tags that mimic HTML.

Didn't read this

Domain snatcher #Tunestr #devcode #memes #s oundoftrend

Based

Very good!