Watching conservatives defend ICE is the most Orwellian shit I’ve ever seen. And when they eventually become the targets, cuckedservatives will have no one to blame but themselves.
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This is my concern exactly. Seems like Biden set the ball and Trump is spiking it.
Deporting a citizen is silly. I wouldnt want Kamala or O'Biden to deport you because of some Orwelian national security reason. (Aka you have the wrong political beliefs.) I'm sure they can throw a few federal charges at him for obstruction and he would go to jail.
I agree though, I see people doing things that regular law enforcement would shoot them for.
What if he were from a native American tribe in the state of Minnesota? I think that you have better arguments than that.
This feels like a sarcastic version of what people wanted. We wanted the border secured (check!), a significant reduction in the size of the federal government (Never gonna happen), and a functioning economy where jobs aren't all sent over seas.
I think too many people are trying to picture Trump as 2016 candidate Trump calling out George W Bush for lying us into war. As soon as the party is in power the voters completely forget the lessons they learned.
A retard with ocd 😆
Lol I'm picturing a meme of a gang rape. "Democracy is an active process."
You're Indian.
Have you heard of Pax Judaica?
That's fucking awesome
Yes, because how dare we defend our borders. Grow up.
It's because boomers vote and they watched fox and CNN. The games they played to squash Ron Paul are pretty blatant. I recall a Daily Show episode that pointed this out at the time.
We can defend our borders without making a centralized database on everyone in the country.
Your normie parents and grand parents didn't even get to have Ron Paul's name repeated to them by the news they consumed.
Nothing worse than non-Americans interfering with American business.
And many of them died doing it because that is how the world works.
Hilarious. I keep rewatching 🤣
Qanon was a genius psyop on their part.
Yeah we colonized those people. I'm not some apologist.
Everyone knows what they are doing in MN is fucked up, but deny reality because it's their political cult.
The left is a dangerous cult. The fact that we're not even going after the left but literal foreign invaders/murders/felons and the left is having a meltdown just shows how NPC they are.
The media is their god and they are propagandized. I have never seen so many people completely entranced by their television. It's like Covid on repeat.
I wouldn't be in danger of being deported because I wound follow the laws. Literally would be the case in ANY country in the planet. Not just the US.
We have a bunch of people that defacto do not believe in our laws or our justice system and they will be deported.
The laws are written by a satanic child abuser cult. Sooner or later your morals will conflict with the laws. Surely this has already happened. Would you mask up and jab up during covid? Something tells me no. Nazi Germany had laws. Communist China has laws.
I'm sure you are a moral person who doesn't follow laws that you think are immoral. I don't think you really want US citizens to be deported for violating laws. You probably just want them to be smarter about things and more civil.
I don't disagree about the commie cult. There is an element of retarded martyrdom. But this is being used to expand the powers of federal government, specifically the executive branch. I think they are tools and so are many of the people who were handed a map, told they where welcomed, and given a debit card to come here and vote.
The creatures who manipulated everyone during covid are still in control and the psyop continues.
Many of them definitely are not acting in good faith and I have less empathy for them.
If they are devout communists maybe send them to a communist nation that is more in line with their values. Might be the ultimate way to change their mind and turn them from an enemy.
I really don't understand what is the issue with the ICE?
They are LITERALLY putting the law into action.
Unless you're an ultra-leftie who's so transcendant to believe in borders, you should be cheering for them.
OP doesn't believe in law enforcement, it's libertarian brain rot.
"Bro, you really think we can just vibe without some kinda order? 🤔 What’s your plan when chaos hits? #LibertarianLogic"
Sorry, Who's OP? 🙂
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And I'm not a republican, retard.
So your solution is to give a small minority the authority to rule over everyone else by force? Even if that small minority is the largest threat to our freedom? Even if that small minority is full of pedophiles and warmongers? Even if that small minority is responsible for drug wars and the creation of fiat?
if you’re not going to articulate why you disagree then just keep your opinion to yourself
Then why bring up democrats?
Had a neighbor down the street who used to fly both of those on same flag pole until recently. Don't know him, and never spoke to him, but he took down the thin blue line one, so someone must've had a talk with him.
It's disgusting. There is no red vs blue. It's all manufactured for control.
For anyone that wasn’t sure what the blue line one meant…
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We can defend our borders without armed thugs roaming our streets murdering our citizens. The streets of neighborhoods in cities not on borders are not where they need to be patrolling. And they are not judge, jury, and executioner so why are they murdering unarmed, fully legal citizens? And why are you choking on their boots.
What's the top one?
Means he thinks it's okay for citizens to be murdered willy-nilly in the streets for daring to push against "authority". Go suck that cops dick harder, you fucking statist cuck.
So a flag representing the cops?
You realize that the people you're listing are already in charge and telling you that it's your neighbors that you should hate.
Wow. You really just are low IQ aren't you? Fine. I won't waste my time trying to teach you the basics.
My great grandmother used to say "legal don't mean right" and she was a rule follower like crazy.
You would've fallen for Macarthy's Red Scare in the 50s, huh? You think that desknis gonna save you from an A bomb too?
If you mean Its supporting law enforcement, yeah.
I can't keep up with the flags tbh
I’ve tried zapping you 3 times today but it’s not working. You’re on a roll 🔥
I'm gonna have to remote into the computer at the office. Our power just came back on up there.
People forget what happened to Japanese American citizens during ww2. No one is safe.
Defund the police was a lefty thing yeah?
You reckon it's Jews?
I think narrowing down all the major problems of the world to a small group of people is lazy and dumb. Trump isn’t Jewish. Biden isn’t Jewish. Bush isn’t Jewish. Obama isn’t Jewish. They’ve murdered countless people. Are they not responsible for those actions?
Who do they do it on behalf of?
Goyim usage is high in America, see Epstein..
S'pose
Native Americans were put in schools to "normalize" them until fairly recent history. My grandparents got in trouble for speaking French in school in the 30s and 40s. Like, xenophobia is gross af.
They are not jews ..but are sponsored/ blackmailed by jews. Trump for example is acting like agent of chaos all to divert from epstein files.
Make em striped...oh wait, that's just "the flag". Ugh.
#iwishyoucouldseethefaceimadewhenitypedthosewords
Technology is nice sometimes. The computer was off and I was able to fix the problem without leaving the house anyway.
Watching libertarians defend Communists is the most Huxlean shit I’ve ever seen. And when they eventually become the targets, lolbertarians/mmo ancap fantasy players will have no one to blame but themselves.
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I'm not sure, but I think I'm missing some context.
You were talking to a lot of wierd people according to my mute list 🤣
When did they not, lol. Are you even a real person? Or are you just ignorant of the relevant facts?
Of course I enjoy seeing my political enemies suffer. These people want me broke, dead, my kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny. They must be crushed and destroyed.
I'm on this platform because your side have established a censorship regime on all major social media platforms. It's the only way the liberal consensus can be maintained. As soon as you get rid of the censorship, right-wing ideas flourish.
I’m not saying that isn’t true. But we should make the people who actually commit the crimes accountable too. Otherwise we’ll always be blaming others. In this ice incident, should we just blame Trump for it since he did it on behalf of Trump?
Right so all a country is, is a territory controlled by a government. When you defend a country, you’re really just defending a region with a specific group of slave masters. It’s bizarre imo.
The national language is English.
That doesn’t absolve them of their crimes. Each party played a role in the outcomes and is partially responsible to some degree for what is happening. For example, police can be ordered to commit atrocities against the public like they did during Covid. Some cops refused to do that. We all still have a choice.
What prosperous country are you talking about? Maybe on another planet?
Not all but it’s bad
Are you pro police?
Western countries
Doesn't mean they can't speak the language they know. They shouldn't have been beaten for it. Why would being bilingual be bad? Why is communication across cultures a bad thing? Is it so they can be easier to control? Isn't that what happened in the Tower of Babel story? The people were getting too uppity so "the power" made sure they couldn't communicate with each other?
"National" anything reeks of nationalism and that's too close to nazi for me. Thank you, have a day.
You’re right if a county is just that — territory controlled by a government. I think a government is just one component that makes a county.
Haha ghey
You have now opened up the floodgates to the deep dark rabbit hole that leads to nowhere but a very dark headspace lol. If someone’s mind is stuck in the trap of blaming Jews for everything, that is not a healthy existence. I don’t think any amount of debate will fix that. Psilocybin or DMT might do the trick. Now, just watch them pile on in opposition to this lol.
As an American, I don’t condone the military industrial complex and the endless wars at all, but it’s not up to me. I am embarrassed to be an American at this point. In the same way, you can’t blame 99.9% of the Jewish population for something that a tiny percentage is responsible for.
It’s amazing how they flip flop like that
I don’t see what’s wrong with defunding the police. I don’t remember the founding fathers talking about a police force in the constitution.
I got called a whippersnapper. I asked what that even meant because I never actually knew before. I was told that I was probably just a good kid growing up. And I said yes but I got wilder as I got older
More violence I’m sure that’ll fix everything
The UK? Germany? France? Which western countries? Canada?
Rupert coming in with the hammer 
Country*
There is nothing else that makes it a country which I can think of. Im glad to be proven wrong.
Big estrogen energy
They are literallyBREAKING the law on a regular basis. 🙄
1) He's not a"soldier", 2) she didn't try to run him over, she was turning away from him and anyone with eyes to see can watch both videos and see that. 3) They litsrally just gunned down another man in the streets yesterday. Fired multiple shots into him as he lay on the ground unarmed (a different ice thug tookaway his gun (which he had legally and did not point at the thugs) PRIOR to the other thug unloading his magazine into him. There are multiple videos from multiple view points of that too.
English is important because assimilation is mandatory. The difference between legal immigration of the 60s and 70s is that those people became Americans and merged into the community. Illegal immigration now there is no assimilation, they form enclaves little Somalia, little China, little Mexico and Lat Am.
This degrades America, it's values and it's laws. Have a good day. BOOM.
Which is the language of England, bloody immigrants.
Yeah we're the alphas.
Everyone else get in line, deal with it.
Empires come, empires go. Dealt with it.
you could have ignored the injecitons, too. and ignored all the places that required them. many i know did just that.
Look into the Osage murders. Crazy shit!
Check out the alphas
Did you get off the estrogen and unblock me? 🏳️🌈
And with those events which cannot be changed, it's the most ubiquitous language to use, that or Mandarin, then Spanish.
The irony of the "defund the police” crowd is they’ll end up having way MORE of a police state when the conditions become intolerable.
Everyone wants a tidy paradigm that’ll solve humanity’s problems once and for all. The socialists just think if we tried real socialism, the communists want “real communism,” the anarchists want “real anarchy” but none of that shit works in practice. We had anarchy, i.e., the nasty, brutish and short state of nature, we’ve tried communism, and it killed > 100M people last century. There are no isms, no paradigms that will solve the problems of humans living among other humans.
Best trade-off I can come up with is top-down fascist government but only to the absolute minumum extent necessary to foster the conditions for maximum bottom-up prosperity.
That’s messy though because once you have a top-down government, you have to watch to make sure it’s (a) doing it’s job (keeping order, protecting its borders, arresting criminals); and (b) not overstepping its job by undermining bottom-up prosperity with regulations, cronyism, onerous taxation, bureaucracy, etc.
You have to have a government and keep it within these narrow bounds. Does too little, you slip into anarchy. Does too much, you slip into communism/totatitarianism. It’s like water — too cold, you get ICE (no pun intended), too hot you get steam.
Why would anyone be pro police or anti-police? I'm not pro doctors or anti-doctors? I'm for doctors who practice sound medicine based on root causes and voluntary consent. I'm anti doctors who are pharma shills who don't give two shits about the person in front of them. Likewise I'm pro police who arrest violent criminals and respect the rights of law abiding citizens. I'm anti police who don't arrest criminals or who intentionally harass law abiding citizens. Why would anyone differ with me?
That’s a massive conclusion to form. Why would having no police lead to having a massive police state? Not sure how that adds up
Regarding your other point, your argument is that in order to prevent violence and theft, we must enact violence and theft. More specifically, we need just the right amount of violence and theft to live prosperously. Too much violence and theft is bad and too little is bad. In order to keep that balance you’re aiming for, the people have to keep government in check. Well why don’t the people just keep themselves in check? Lmao why do you need the government as middle man to begin with?
Police, by their nature, cannot respect the rights of people. They enforce laws on everyone regardless of whether people consent to those laws or not. Let’s say I want to drive my car down the street to buy some groceries. I’m peaceful and engaging in fair trade. A cop pulls me over because there’s no license plate on my car. He holds me at gun point and tells me I’ve broken a law that I never consented to. He hands me a fine that I must pay or I’ll be attacked or thrown in a cage. If I don’t have the right to opt out of these laws, then I don’t have any human rights. Those are fee based privileges with restrictions, not rights. I have to buy my freedom to drive. I don’t have the right to drive a car. I have to pay for it. And police are the force that enables all this violence and theft. So yeah defund the shit out of the police. They don’t respect human rights. Fuck them.
1. Because no police leads to an intolerable state of lawlessness, and the people will beg for an overcorrection.
2.. The people keep themselves in check either by doing violence themselves (state of nature) or outsourcing the violence to an accountable third party (police). Doing it yourself works for a small minority of those cut out to be mafia bosses and warlords, but most will choose to outsource. There is no utopia without the credible threat of violence as deterrence. If you don't punish violent criminals severely you don't have a functioning society.
That's like saying "people by their nature cannot respect the rights of people" then telling me how you got robbed. Both police and people must act lawfully in accordance with society's limitations of how one can act. Rogue power-tripping police officers are criminals.
As for society requiring driver's licenses I can see an argument against it -- maybe requiring driving competence before getting on public highways is a net good, but outweighed by the state getting too much control. I can see the case. But the uncomfortable truth is there are always tradeoffs and no "solution".
1. So you believe that humans are inherently violent and evil?
2. This is a false dilemma fallacy. There is more than one option.
What is a law?
no. or, well, it's not AS cavernous as you say.
the restaurants that are enforcing things you don't agree with also "have nothing to do with you", naturally. you choose to make them "your business" by insisting on frequenting them - and getting upset when they do stuff you don't like. find restaurants that have practices you do agree with, including civil disobedience. sort of like lefties are frequenting cities currently practicing "disobedience".
Yeah bro @MAHDOOD is lost. He's an cucked idealist.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good. America first
Mic drop moment
It's over for @MAHDOOD
English Common Law functioned well for a millenium without police.
Oriental tyrannies have possessed government police since Antiquity, but the first police force in the English-speaking world were instituted only in 1829.
It is true that we are not the same peoples, culturally, as then, but that should be seen as an illness to remedy, not a certainty to submit to.
Not everything is always a conspiracy.
Maybe these people ought not to commit illegal and violent riots, then assault law enforcement when they rightfully attempt to disperse them and arrest them. Can't get shot if you stay at home and act like a peaceful and responsible adult. 🤷♂️
Also, if you think this issue only occurs in border cities, you're delusional. Not to mention the fact that there's PROVEN massive amounts of Somali fraud in Minnesota which proves that the issue is more than just border cities.
Pretty sure they had kings who could just order your execution without due process if you ran afoul of the edicts. Human nature is such that it needs boundaries. The key is to make those boundaries wide and causing the minimum interference necessary. But without boundaries, there is no peace for anyone.
Thomas Hobbes said it better.
But he was also wrong, just a cringey apologist for early-modern Absolutism.
We can all benefit from reading up how past societies actually worked. Mises.org has a great library.
Well not quite… comes in 3rd place after Mandarin and Spanish. 5% use english as a first language vs 16% for Mandarin. The sun set on the British empire over a century ago and Americans aren’t very good at sex.
The clock is ticking…
Ignoring being able to go to your job in many cases? To attend public events, grab a meal out with your family? I mean I don't know how this is not clear. ICE doesn't affect you AT ALL, so long as you choose not to interfere with one of their operations.
Here's another angle to consider:
1. Humans are inherently *capable* of violence and evil, yes because what drives human behavior (mostly) is incentives. If you do not strongly disincentivize violence, it's a virtual certainty that *some* humans will use it against regular people, and society will be at the mercy of those most willing to use it. Libertarianism fails to disincentivize violence against the innocent. Communism fails to incentivize wealth creation among the capable, and when resources are scarce, violence ensues. They both ignore basic, fundamental obvious facets of human nature.
2. There may be other options, but what's not optional is the credible threat of retributive violence should you commit violence against someone else. Again, feel free to live in the wild west and hunt people with your posse if you prefer, but most people are going to want to outsource that task.
Don't interfere with the operations of the CDC and you'd be fine during COVID.
going into spaces that require vaccination is interfering with their attempt to "2 weeks to slow the spread", as guided by the CDC.
You see how these are the same shape, right? The difference is only in the temporary, changeable details.
If ICE was "conducting an operation" at your workplace and barring entrance for employees and you insisted on going to your desk regardless, you might be arrested (or shot).
the fact that ICE isn't **yet** doing that is no different than the arbitrary extent to which the CDC did or did not extend mandates. you might be correct at the moment - but not due to the basis of your argument itself, only due to an accident of circumstance currently.
I wasn't interfering with the CDC, I was going to a restaurant. ANY restaurant, not the 1 in 1,000 that was getting a health inspection at the time.
Don't know what more can be said. If you can't see the difference or are relying on hypotheticals on what *might* happen if ICE decides to go to every workplace all at once, then I don't think our frameworks for viewing the world have sufficient overlap for a meaningful discussion on this topic.
I agree there are wide differences between the situations, but not in principle, only in circumstance. You think the circumstance is more significant than I do, and practically, tactically, momentarily you are obviously correct.
I still disagree with "I wasn't interfering with the CDC" though... (none of the following is an endorsement of the CDC or Covid practices) The CDC's mission was to protect public health, and one of their strategies for achieving that goal was applying restrictions to public behavior. By going against those restrictions, you were interfering with their ability to accomplish their mission. the mission of ICE is immigration enforcement. If you interfere with their operations physically - or even stymy it more remotely, like harboring and transporting illegal immigrants - you are interfering with their ability to accomplish their mission.
Either way, you are, as you point out, "inviting" the wrath of the State agency whose mandate you are frustrating.
In both cases, the State's agencies and agents have an overarching mission that they attempt to accomplish through a spectrum of tactics from broadly communicating guidelines all the way down to laying hands on an individual. You may agree or disagree with various of those missions, or the breadth and severity of the tactics employed to accomplish them, but the pattern is identical between any State agency.
Here's a simpler litmus test: If ICE enters your private property uninvited or declares your property a criminal investigation zone where special laws apply because what is going on at your house frustrates their ability to accomplish their mission, is that okay?
If you think that is okay, how is that any different than the State applying special designations to certain private businesses?
If you think that's not okay, then you **generally** know how people feel when they try to "keep ICE out".
You seem to be arguing agreeing to ANY government action that affects the affairs of its citizens is the same thing in principle to agreeing to EVERY government action, no matter vastly different those actions might actually be in their factual details or the purposes of it.
But that is not a good argument. My philosophy about government is as follows:
Yes. The same thing in principle at bottom, vastly different in tactics in the moment. one's focus must shift between tactics and principle; but the State and tribal thinking would drown you in tactics so you don't recognize the failed principles.
I disagree with almost every part of that quoted message, but I see your point and understand why you feel the way you do.
(my stance, specifically, unsurprisingly, is: the amount of "top-down authoritarianism" that i think is maximally necessary for bottom-up, free market emergence of human flourishing and peaceful order is "zero". the inevitable slippery slope starts an atom above that)
getting distracted 100% of the time by tactics is how you end up thinking that _any_ amount of top-down authoritarianism is acceptable.
And your solution for creating these boundaries is to give a small group of people the right to do things that others cannot and to enforce that right through violent force? Do you feel that violence is an effective solution to get things that you want with otherwise peaceful people?
1. You didn’t answer my question. But you brought up another point regarding incentives. The system we currently live in, incentivizes the government to be violent. This is apparent given the nature of its actions: 9/11, psyop shootings, MK ultra.
In addition, you’re arguing that violence disincentivizes violence. You’re looking at things in black and white. People are individuals who will always have the power to choose what they want to do regardless of incentives. They can choose to be violent in the current system or peaceful in a different system. They could also choose the opposite, respectively. Since the current system isn’t eliminating violence, then arguing that libertarianism won’t work because it also can’t eliminate violence is not a strong argument. The goal isn’t to eliminate violence because that’s not possible. Some people will act violently regardless of the system. The goal is to not legitimize the violence by saying you have to pay taxes for x y z service that you don’t want.
2. And you can outsource that task once the government is out of the way. But right now you can’t and that service is less affordable due to the nature of the tax system. Remember that the government offers a service. A shitty service sure, but it is a service. And any service that the government offers can be done more efficiently and more cheaply on the free market. So if someone wrongs me, I can pay for a service to enact justice. Rothbard argued that these types of services would be best completed by insurance companies. They have the resources to make you whole. And there’s no compulsion or violence needed. People pick and choose what services they want. And if they don’t want it, they don’t have to get it. It’s peaceful and the solutions are solved. Everything would be better if all property was privatized. The incentives align better that way. No one cares for public property because they’re not incentivized to.
Why does the CDC have the right to interfere with your life? Lmao where did it get that right from?
Your question was based on a faulty premise — whether humans ARE evil is not relevant. It’s what they are CAPABLE of doing that is not in doubt.
You can argue the merits of a private police force and the tradeoffs that would entail. But they would still be police and they would still be highly imperfect and not perfectly accountable. But some entity is going to need to apply force to violent criminals if you want to have a functional society, and that entity will be top-down fascistic to some extent, given its power and role.
But it’s self-evident the prospect of retaliation disincentivizes violence. Some people will STILL act violently, but far fewer than if there were no prospect of jail time. And when those who do act violently get got, that’s a measure of justice, which is necessary for people to move on and avoid, for example, multi-generational blood feuds.
Okay so you basically think that the current system with the largest criminals like pedo Epstein clients, central bankers, and warmongers that are literally dropping bombs on children is better than an imperfect system that respects individual autonomy and provides optionality? Please answer this question with a simple yes or no.
These private police forces would behave very differently because they are private and are held accountable by the free market. Private property is different from public property. People take care of private property but people don’t care for public property the same way. And they never care for it to the same extent that someone would care for their private property. This applies to any public and private service as well. All you have to do is consider the difference during your interactions with police and private security. One treats you like you’re subhuman and the other treats you like a valuable asset to their livelihood because your satisfaction with their services is what puts food on their table. The other thing you seem to overlook is the profits of violence in this type of society. You’re not going to get very far in life swindling and murdering people in a society without government. The reason is because people are forced to take personal responsibility for themselves. Don’t trust verify. Notice how in Bitcoin where things are not well regulated yet, Bitcoiners take responsibility for themselves to call out scammers. They’re hyper vigilant and they’re literally the reason I didn’t lose my life savings a few years ago before an exchange blew up. And their hyper vigilance is what led me to become a bitcoiner. The government wasn’t looking out for me. And they’re literally paid to do it. They’re paid to look for crimes and protect us. At least that’s what they claim.
Even if you don’t have a police force to stop a specific criminal. Businesses will not allow that criminal on their property to harass their customers. If everything is privatized, that criminal will not be using highways. They’re not buying homes in neighborhoods with peaceful people. HOAs will keep an eye out for that specific criminal too. Services like neighborhood watches will do their best to protect their customers. People are incentivized to protect themselves and their customers even more when government is out of the picture. The combination of remarkable creativity and problem solving that humans have will flourish. There are cameras everywhere nowadays. It’s hard to get away with anything really. If you get caught, your picture will be shared across businesses. Tbh going to jail in the current system is a much lighter punishment than being ostracized by a society free of government. Whatever problems you are worried about, the free market can solve and provide a better solution to.
So you believe in minimal fascism?
No I actually workout when I want to. I’ve learned that forcing myself to workout when i don’t want to (i.e. feel unmotivated) leads to poor performance. There are factors for this. Sometimes it’s because your body is still recovering: many people actually overtrain and that feeling is your mind’s way of saying not yet. Sometimes you’re simply malnourished and don’t have the energy to get all of your days needs met. Other times you may be stressed and don’t have the energy to get through the day. Forcing myself through a workout led me to getting sick. This is not an exaggeration. A few weeks ago I was really stressed with work and it led to a reduction in sleep. The day of my workout, I had pain in my achilles. I pushed through it and got sick the next day. Working out is taxing on the body and nervous system. If you don’t have the resources for it, your mind subconsciously tries to communicate that to you. Ignoring that can lead to negative consequences. If you treat your body like a fascist does, you cut off important information that can improve your life. I want to be healthy and strong more than weak and sick. When I have the energy, I am excited about going to the gym. Now when I am actually working out, I feel discomfort but this isn’t fascism because I always retain the power to change what I want to do. I can say yeah I don’t wanna finish this set and go home. You can’t just say yeah I don’t wanna pay my taxes this year under a fascist system. So I disagree with you there.
I assume that you are pro fascism given that you didn’t answer my previous question. So my question for you is, how does one attain minimal fascism? This goal of yours is inherently contradictory. Fascism is about absolute power. It will naturally want to grow itself. It’s like planting a tree then saying it has to be a minimum of 5 feet tall with a specific number of leaves and branches. That’s not something you can control.
How is it fascism if i retain the power to make a different choice like call in sick, quit my job, or skip the gym for the day?
Who said there can’t be boundaries and rules without government?
There’s no need to deport. Just enforce property rights. If you’re on someone’s property and they don’t want you there, then they will be removed. Where they go after that is irrelevant. There is no country in this type of system. Countries are a social construct. They don’t exist in nature. You can’t see them from a satellite view. All that matters is property rights. If my property, which includes my body are not violated, then there is no harm done. No victim no crime.
My solution is to deport illegal immigrants.
I see no problem in using violence to deport immigrant criminals from a country.
You will deport them yourself?
No, I pay law enforcement officers to do it. Even in ancapistan you'd presumably have a paid armed militia which guards a border. The founding fathers were not against law enforcement in principle.
And if others don't want to pay them, what is the solution? Your payment isn't enough to do what ICE is doing.
Is that what you think is happening?
The solution is to stand down and let them enforce the law. Are we going back to libertarian fantasy land again? Protest the politicians who enact the laws. This isn't to say that LE is perfect, of course they aren't, they're fallible humans and should be held accountable to the LAW as well.
Do you think we should deport illegal immigrants?
Alright, what IS happening?
Moving the goalposts. You and laser do that a lot and I don't think you realize that it is a logical fallacy that weakens your arguments.
If we just jump from one topic to the next, we will never finish any discussion.
How will you fund the deportation of these people if others, like myself, don't want to pay for it?
You are being conditioned to accept militarized federal forces performing duties that far exceed their mandate while you standby cheering on the erosion of constitutional rights. Once you have accepted that murder is a valid enforcement strategy you have lost the plot.
Well said
I just want to deport illegal immigrants.
Well, if I was the American government in 2026, I would use violence to extract taxation from you and fund law enforcement. If I were living in fantasy anarcho-land, I would assume people living in a community were willing to fund their own security.
As citizens of a country in the 21st century, should we be deporting illegal immigrants, yes or no? If yes, how would you enforce it? If no, just say so.
Cool. It does not require militarized response or a budget the size of the USMC. It’s also not worth trampling rights or suspending due process. Don’t think a roving military force operating inside the country is just going to disappear once all the immigrants are gone? Are you new to paying attention to government?
So you are an individual who believes that might is right and you have no problem with killing people that disagree with you, even if they are peaceful?
I don't believe in using violence to steal money from nonconsenting people. I don't care what it's for. The end doesn't justify the means. This type of reasoning will eventually be turned on you when your political opponents return to office.
We'll see how it goes. The more illegals get deported, the better. FWIW, I do think individual ICE officers should answer for the crimes they committed.
I truly believe that ICE will be searching American citizen's cars and potentially their backgrounds, social media, and maybe their phones all to ensure they are "safe" and "not smuggling illegals." More violations of the constitution.
In this country you are supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. ICE is making anyone that looks foreign prove they are innocent. There are American citizens that don't look American but that isn't reason to harass them for papers. They all are committing crimes against the constitution.
I am obviously not fine with killing people who disagree with me, wtaf?
Illegal immigrants are leeching social welfare programs, which are funded by your taxes, which are extracted from you through violence. Do you believe in funding hospitals? How about building homeless shelters? Building a proper defensive army? You are living in delulu land, stop drinking the libertarian kool aid.
I agree. Once there is a enforcement agency with a budget there will be ever more encroachments to justify their existence. Government doesn’t have to be evil to do evil.
Those were your words man. You literally said you would use violence to extract taxation. That means you are okay with killing people.
Maybe if people like you stopped defending the government, and started educating others on this, illegal immigrants wouldn't have social welfare programs to leech off society. Then the illegals wouldn't have a reason to flood in to the country.
Well, if I was the American government in 2026, I would use violence to extract taxation from you and fund law enforcement. If I were living in fantasy anarcho-land, I would assume people living in a community were willing to fund their own security.
As citizens of a country in the 21st century, should we be deporting illegal immigrants, yes or no? If yes, how would you enforce it? If no, just say so.
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I've heard ICE agents literally stopping people simply for speaking spanish lmao land of the free 🤡
First Amendment - tear gassing peaceful protests and anyone with the audacity to record them
Second Amendment - “Nobody peaceful brings a gun and ammo to a protest” (exercise your 2A rights, BUT NEVER when resisting the government)
Fourth Amendment - Show me your papers
Which amendment will they trample next????!
Yes, if I was the American government. However, I am not the American government. I am okay with killing some people, like violent recidivist criminals.
I am defending the use of violence to enforce laws. And I am also condoning taxation btw, because libertarianism and anarchism is utopian drivel. It's a seriously deficient ideology.
In a more bitcoinized world, it will be easier to choose which country gets to tax you, and states will have to compete more for your bitcoin, but taxes will always exist as long as there are states. Let's leave it at that.
Basically what you are saying is that you endorse violence on peaceful people. It is also clear that you would threaten my life if you were part of government and I refused to follow your orders. That is no different from the KGB or gestapo. That is a sign of an authoritarian government, which is ironically what the founders of this country claimed to oppose.
With that being said, I will step away from this conversation as you are incapable of having a consensual relationship with people who disagree with you. I'll also be muting you so don't bother responding to any of my future posts because I will not see them. Take care and good luck with the dangerous and violent path you are on.
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You are a ridiculous person btw.
From racism to statism
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Absolutely. ICE should target anyone that vaguely look European and send them to whatever place they grandfathers came from.
After all they were all illegal immigrants.
Let’s start with this orange moron in the Oval.
Nope
Free speech remember
So damn cringe, I won't even dignify you with a response.
Thank all the gods.
This country doesn’t actually have free speech. But even if it did, it doesn’t mean I have to tolerate your nonsense. I’m free to mute you if you wanna act like a retarded incel. Articulate your position or fuck off.
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Donald Trump and his Jews are just engaging in Marxist theater exhibitions here.
While ICE deports a few imported specimens here and there, the Marxist state apparatus of Donald Trump injects the country with even more alien life forms through other avenues.
Donald Trump is a dedicated Marxist and a radical internationalist.
As one would expect, he is also an absolute Jew-lover.
The Marxist state expands with each additional insertion from abroad.
A constant flow of new exemplars nourish the entire destructive apparatus from top to bottom.
Invasive critters shall, of course, be killed when attempting entry.
If this is too difficult to fully execute, these invasive breeds must be killed off after entry.
If this natural way to confront "illegal" entities is "illegal," the property owners AKA the lawmakers will have be liquidated, and their Marxist state apparatus would have to annihilated in its totality.
ICE is an entity of the Marxist state, and it must therefore be eradicated in its totality. The same remedy applies to police officers and all other federal agents.
It only takes one executive order to readjust the mandate of the security structure to target anti-parasitical personalities and anti-Jew individuals.
Established prisons could be transformed into Jew Gulags with a single signature.
Fix the problem at the core:
Expunge Donald Trump and the entire US Congress from existence.
Then physically dismantle the Marxist state instrument beneath the property owners from top to bottom, including the security tools.
Finish off the rejuvenation process with exterminating the entire Jew race and by repatriating all non-Jew specimens that were injected after 1965.
If repatriation is refused, terminate them all.
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Donald Trump and his Jews are just engaging in Marxist theater exhibitions here.
While ICE deports a few imported specimens here and there, the Marxist state apparatus of Donald Trump injects the country with even more alien life forms through other avenues.
Donald Trump is a dedicated Marxist and a radical internationalist.
As one would expect, he is also an absolute Jew-lover.
The Marxist state expands with each additional insertion from abroad.
A constant flow of new exemplars nourish the entire destructive apparatus from top to bottom.
Invasive critters shall, of course, be killed when attempting entry.
If this is too difficult to fully execute, these invasive breeds must be killed off after entry.
If this natural way to confront "illegal" entities is "illegal," the property owners AKA the lawmakers will have be liquidated, and their Marxist state apparatus would have to annihilated in its totality.
ICE is an entity of the Marxist state, and it must therefore be eradicated in its totality. The same remedy applies to police officers and all other federal agents.
It only takes one executive order to readjust the mandate of the security structure to target anti-parasitical personalities and anti-Jew individuals.
Established prisons could be transformed into Jew Gulags with a single signature.
Fix the problem at the core:
Expunge Donald Trump and the entire US Congress from existence.
Then physically dismantle the Marxist state instrument beneath the property owners from top to bottom, including the security tools.
Finish off the rejuvenation process with exterminating the entire Jew race and by repatriating all non-Jew specimens that were injected after 1965.
If repatriation is refused, terminate them all.
Racism is on display the world over 24/7, 365 days out of the year.
Racism is genetically encoded in Homo sapiens because it provides favorable evolutionary advantage.
The whole nocuous edifice of anti-racism was hatched by the Jew and their international partners in crime, the Marxists.
Multiracial societies create chaos and strife in the population.
Maximize disunity and discord in the population for the maximization of control from the top.
It's Marxism 101.
The bigger the Marxist state apparatus gets in size, the bigger the international Jew parasite and its lovers expand in detrimental reach.
100 percent separation of the races is correct.
So people should only live in lands where their ancestors are from?
Be native or be nothing?
That doesn't sound terrible.
European immigrants from all over would all have to return to Europe.
Too bad colonizers don't know how to do that.
I personally think people should be allowed to live anywhere and roam anywhere, as long as they don't colonize or commit genocide or try to take over the land in any way.
Basically:
"Mi casa es su casa" as long as you know it's been mi casa for thousands and thousands of years... And you are a guest.
Illegal immigrants don't have legit papers