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jack
nostr is still mainly used alongside twitter. in the best rare case, as a replacement. and only because people are running away from something about twitter they don't like.
there is nothing that people want to run to nostr for yet. zaps were promising, but bitcoin is still a hurdle (one that primal is doing the best at overcoming), and it's doubtful lightning could scale to a massive adoption moment.
nostr needs a feature or experience that's unique and sets it apart. i *think* that is the ecosystem of microapps over the long term...but it's definitely not in the short term. and that might be ok.
for twitter the initial draw was the simplicity and weirdness of 140 characters (we started with zero network effect, facebook had it all...that's built over time). later it became the conversation which lead to the "public square" (owned by a private corporation ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). and then as it grew, it had a single point of control/failure people could attack.
nostr doesn't have to worry about that last bit. it's an incredible feature. but not one the average person cares about (no matter how much they yell "FREE SPEECH!"...if people actually cared about free speech, bitcoin and nostr would be all they used...they don't).
all this to say, we're not doomed. but what we think is the killer feature isn't right now. who's going to discover the one that is?
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Hmm I see you somehow have duplicates, I need to look into to that
I think you are right, but can’t envision how it’s done yet. Irl communities will be valued and sought after again. The 20 year obsession with virtual community will be a historical anomaly. Like why the heck were people spending millions of dollars on tulip bulbs?
I traded post-Musk Twitter for TikTok for some of the same reasons I was drawn to pre-2017 Twitter in the first place: easy to see what is going on in the world right now (trending), very effective search functionality, able to share even with friends off the platform.
When we can up the searchability and shareability antes then we will increase viral potential and attract more creators and consumers.
The feature is twitter/ Facebook censuring people. The next wave of censorship will bring millions here
Nostr discourages revealing your identity, unless you are an influencer, because it is a free speech platform, which benefits the most from the network effect.
Instead of trying to capture the network effect, maybe Nostr should offer things for which people don't need a big network effect to find useful. People want connected apps where they can identify as themselves and connect with people they know.
good luck with letr. out of curiosity, what's wrong with primal and amethyst?
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I agree,
@jack
Masses don't care much about FREE SPEECH, only content creators are worried about it.
Masses use platforms for 3 reasons:
1. To follow controversies
2. To follow a favorite celebrity
3. To connect with like-minded
We can use the ' free speech ' keyword to onboard creators ( controversial creators) but for the masses, we need diverse topics and controversies on #nostr.
As per my experience, the current #nostr is for tech nerds, freedom enthusiasts, and #bitcoin lovers.
I think we need to brainstorm on marketing ways and messaging.
3 questions
1. Why do masses use X or Instagram
2. How masses flock from one platform to another
3. Who drives masses?
4. What topics drive the masses?
I think 3 things can bring mass adoption:
1. Simple UI / UX ( we are getting close)
2. Non-tech content creators
3. Some big PR ( news or shoutouts )
I think the masses don't much care about,
Censorship resistance, Free speech, decentralized.
Masses only care about news, updates, and controversies ( i.e. Dopamine)
We should create 2 Marketing campaigns:
1. Bottom-up ( attract audience)
2. Top-down ( attract creators)
Things are moving in the right direction, we are just craving for speedy mass adoption.
Masses use social media to learn and interact, they don't care much about earning.
Zaps and earning features of #nostr can attract creators but not sure about the masses.
We need different USPs to attract the masses.
I respectfully disagree. Many people might not care about free speech (now). But once truth is harder to find elsewhere more curious seekers will flock to nostr. Many are already here. IMHO we already have the killer feature.
It‘s us :)
A bunch of curious seekers in one place. People building something based on what they feel in their heart. We just need to be patient for others to find us.
Zaps features can excite creators but for consumers, we need different features and rewards.
But you're forgetting that where creators go, their followers go, and consumers go to consume said content.
I agree but every creator has a category.
Out of 100 followers, 2-3 love him, 9-10 buy what he says, 90 followers just like him.
If the creator tries to onboard his followers conversion rate will be less than 25%
It's a top-down approach.
We need a bottom-up strategy.
The creator selects a platform to create where the audience is.
Dancer go on Tiktok.
Vloggers go on YouTube.
Influences go on Instagram.
Example.
Bitcoiners use Nostr, so Bitcoin content creators join Nostr.
Is #nostr User-friendly?
email started among academics and the military, then it became something everyone could use, why?
Cuz it solved one problem.
Connecting with every computer and communication.
What one problem #nostr solve?
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Is http user friendly?
Masses know what http means? Do they use it? Do they care?
They only care about the website and its content.
Only dev care about http,
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My point:
nostr is a protocol as is http, smtp, ssh.....
Google is a website that uses http as its underlying protocol
Damus is an app that uses nostr as its underlying protocol
Ask if Damus, Primal zap.stream, OxChat are easy to use.
Don't ask if nostr is easy to use.
Just like Yahoo and Google simplified the process and helped make email mainstream.
@primal @Damus #Amethyst making Nostr mainstream.
I understand your point and agree 💯.
So we should focus on marketing and advertising clients (
@Damus &
@primal ) instead Nostr protocol.
#Nostr protocol is game-changing and helpful but for the masses, we need simple and user-friendly terms and clients.
Also, apps and features that are yet to exist, but become possible because there is no central control or vision.
nostr allows a Darwinian style of evolutionary development that will see many failures, but the successes that come will be game changing and move the whole of the Internet onto the next level.
Protocols change evolution, platforms utilise evolution.
For masses, email was their first experience using the internet —
#nostr will be their first experience using surveillance free internet —
Nostr is good for real world relationships because you see who you follow without getting burried by an algorithm. However, it is very text focused. Facebook grew by using games, then once you had built a network of friends you could see what your friends were posting. This overcame the chicken and egg scenario with building a social network.
A daily challenge game like sukudu or wordle where you can see your friends score would be great. It could be embedded into websites like the NY Times have done to wordle, but because it's nostr the same game could be played on different sites or dedicated apps and you could see the results of all your friends, wherever they played the game. This could easily get a greater network effects than wordle. Every site that's not NY Times has an incentive to get on board to offer something that doesn't take people to their competition.
I was thinking a few days ago about how to replace linkedin with nostr
Games like chess, dominoes, connect four, checkers, guess who, and battle ship just to name a few should be nostrfied.
Literally anyone of these games paired with cornychat would be a stone cold killa app that would get people using nostr without even knowing that they are using nostr
Love this idea. Also like the idea of a classic #nostr arcade where you pay sats to play classics and high scores are a thing.
i still have these designs from way back
Is this a real game or mock up?
there was a nostr arcade gaming project at the last nostr hackathon
Whatttt never heard about this?!?
This is why I keep advocating for a nostr module for unity engine
I’m down to help brainstorm. I don’t think those are the best game choices to start with. The games should be multiplayer like the games we played in
@Jeroen ✅ s #gamestr night
In my poopy opinion the mvp should have nostr live chat, nostr login, corny chat and zaps
there's a lack in devs more than anything
Yes! We need a non kyc zbd
I hear you, I was going to try and put together a bounty to get the ball rolling.
Same. That said it's a cesspool of self aggrandisment. People seem so lost and desperate. Not the vibe I'd want ported here
we the people!
Sign up is difficult. I had to revive my Twitter account when signing up. Weird process. Should be easier.
I am not sure how to feel about nostr's loss of Snowden. Do we let him be, or try to solve his technical problems? It seems like tor is an excuse to move away from nostr and not a reason.
Widespread success of a social media depends on adoption by big names because that's the majority of people's reason for showing up in the first place.
For now, I say its not important to draw big names. We have a technology that is bigger than any group of celebreties, and it is continually expanding its capabilities. Eventually nostr will naturally consume and/or force adoption by all private platforms.
A money needs to be a SoV first. Then, when everyone wants/needs it, it becomes a medium of echange. The unit of account is unimportant. That happens last and it happens when it happens.
You're expecting a lot from a barista. Have fun sucking elon's dick.
Here's the beautiful thing. The market will try all sorts of features. Some will succeed, some will not. But what Nostr doesn't have is some corporate chain of command that innovators have to go through to get their feature approved.
So it should result in weirder and more interesting features and something will stick. Time is on our side.
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A seamless combo of twitter, gumroad, skool (or any lms / community platform), upwork & marketplace with native payments could do it. If people can make a living here, they will come.
Exactly.. people went on Twitter for much less.. they stayed also because there was no alternative.. many miss that. You didn't have all the social app you have now with their immense network effect when Twitter started to go viral... Only Facebook.. lol.
@jackThere are many people whose desirable solopreneur lifestyle business would tank if they left twitter.
I assume they are also some of twitter’s biggest power-users.
Finding a way for people to easily bring their audience with them will be key, as well.
Logging in to other apps without e-mail. Creating a unique virtual identity to link to several systems.
Yeah, I see that and I agree, those people could not afford to just give up on X from one day to the other, but at least they should understand, and most of all not discredit, #nostr potentials, getting used to it, starting to create the first base and helping the transition of your own followers, from one platform, to this new Protocol.
When they will Need #nostr, will be too late to start from O or at least much more painful and with more friction.
Good question.. and I am thinking about that in these last months.
Unfortunately I am not Dev or a software engineer, just a shitnoter, so I decided to keep pushing in the way I can, putting more various and weird content, helping new people and users to be seen boosting and engaging with their contents, giving feedback to devs about their shipments and so on.. it will not be much, but maybe I will be helpful for One user that will bring a super viral content and so on.
I believe in the #Nostr immense potential Protocol Effect 🍀💜🫂
jack
nostr is still mainly used alongside twitter. in the best rare case, as a replacement. and only because people are running away from something about twitter they don't like.
there is nothing that people want to run to nostr for yet. zaps were promising, but bitcoin is still a hurdle (one that primal is doing the best at overcoming), and it's doubtful lightning could scale to a massive adoption moment.
nostr needs a feature or experience that's unique and sets it apart. i *think* that is the ecosystem of microapps over the long term...but it's definitely not in the short term. and that might be ok.
for twitter the initial draw was the simplicity and weirdness of 140 characters (we started with zero network effect, facebook had it all...that's built over time). later it became the conversation which lead to the "public square" (owned by a private corporation ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). and then as it grew, it had a single point of control/failure people could attack.
nostr doesn't have to worry about that last bit. it's an incredible feature. but not one the average person cares about (no matter how much they yell "FREE SPEECH!"...if people actually cared about free speech, bitcoin and nostr would be all they used...they don't).
all this to say, we're not doomed. but what we think is the killer feature isn't right now. who's going to discover the one that is?
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Same here. Best way I can help is to shitpost (hopefully interesting stuff people want to engage with a % of the time) and spread awareness.
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TBH I''m surprised that their is not yet a nostr based shoppinf app good enough.
A competitor to Shopify/Woocommerce/ Amazon, or a new Silk Road with Bitcoin embedded, makes so much sense...
nostr markets! p2p trades
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lmao, Vanessa ftw 😂
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this is a great idea 💡
But, I ain’t 😉🫂
That really was hilarious Vanessa 🤣 💜
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polls + Hulkamania era WWF gif keyboard. I don’t ask for much 🤙🏽
Zaps. Did anyone in this discussion mentioned Jaron Lanier? He is talking about micropayments since 2010 and has a very good point too. Once Nostr becomes somewhat known and likes of ticktockers will realize that they can post there and earn peanuts of share of value or they van post on Nostr and flock their following here too so they van have the micropayments without the middleman.
Do you have any idea how small your market is?
In the US alone, you'd have a few thousand people (who are perceived as "radical domestic terrorists" by the mainstream) appreciate Nostr for this, while the other 330 Million people all call for their arrest.
You'd certainly put nostr on the map... Just not in the way you're hoping.
The killer feature of #nostr is that it doesn't need to "succeed" in the corporate sense. People looking for free-speech refuge will always be able to find it, even if it's only a very small ratio.
There are two items that can help based on the discussion a couple weeks ago:
1. If someone is harassing a user it is not enough to mute that user bc they are still in the replies. In some cases the harasser’s friends are seeing the replies and piling on. However the person being harassed doesn’t know the harassment is continuing and then is blindsided by the additional harassment coming their way. Freedom from needs to extend to freedom from having someone in your replies continuing to harass you. The current model assumes Nostr is a level playing field that exists in a cultural vacuum and that is not the case. As a result those who experience harassment IRL also feel the brunt of it here. Direct harassment is different from saying whatever you want. It involves being in someone’s replies or mentioning them directly. People need the ability to say no to both of these.
2. The second issue women reported was being found by random jerks. This happens bc some apps have aggregator feeds. Users need the option to opt out of these.
I also think there’s more user research needed to understand if other problems exist.
@darashi
@miljan @brugeman @Marko have yall consider a “do not index me” request for yalls aggregators - see Linda’s latter point.
I think the guulagl search has a do not index flag for websites
Zaps for devs and security people especially
Not sure not everyone gets this. Nostr by itself is great, Bitcoin is what makes it amazing.
is there a Nostr marketplace like Shopify etc ?
what you don't understand is that the majority never mattered and never will.
i am a Jew. the Jews are 0.2% of world population and we control absolutely everything.
if your goal is to reach a wide audience you should be making something mindless like Tik Tok ( or like Jack's original 140 character "vision" for Twitter )
if your goal is to develop ideas you have to accept that 99% of people will only be a drag in this endeavor.
The West is sleepwalking to the East.
Only when it is (hopefully not) too late, will the masses care about Free Speech.
Other Stuff Optimist
Yeah if there's one feature I've seen everyone clamoring for, it's having their identities tied to their wallet.
Searchnos also handles NIP-09 event deletion and my deployment does not keep indexes for so long periods of time (30 days with the current configuration).
The problem is intellectual laziness. Over the years, most social media apps were designed to keep users doing intellectually "easy" tasks. Eventually, they develop short attention span. That is why most people find Bitcoin and Nostr difficult to understand and use. If an app is good like Nostr, even though not "easy", they won't use it because their brains have been programmed to do "easy" tasks
Jerks' daily job is to find targets, not sure if deindexing from aggregators would help much, you should then deindex from major public relays too, and only post your stuff on paid relays (paid to read, not only to write). Meaning, you shouldn't be on public Nostr if you're afraid to be found by someone determined to find you.
I think the only anti-harassment solution that could work on Nostr is client-side filtering, based on contact/mute lists, friends' reports, etc. Don't show replies from people you don't follow, or that were reported/muted many times by people you follow, or replies from public relays. I bet some of these policies are implemented an nos.social, but the issue is - everyone's using Damus/Amethyst/Primal, and those have nothing like that.
The way I see it, we should have a separate pluggable layer/API/NIP for content post-filtering, that can be plugged into any app: an app forms a feed (main/replies/notifs/anything) and then passes all the events from the feed to the filter, and filter returns various labels (spam/harassment/nsfw/impersonation/...), and app covers the content of the labeled event and shows labels above it. This way apps don't have to rebuild their feed building logic - just apply another layer above it, users would specify the filtering API endpoint in the settings and get the filtering they want. Safe mode could be 'cover notes from users I don't follow until filter returns it's labels - uncover if no bad labels returned', more reckless mode could be 'show notes first, only hide them if filter returns some bad labels'.
If nos or anyone is interested in experimenting with me in this area, let me know.
For me, knowing that I cannot be cancelled is the key
Deep down I know that any attention I give the status quo platforms is a waste & therefore as risky as it might seem to leave behind an “audience”, long-term Nostr is the right call
It’s a good test in delayed gratification & low time preference thinking
Amethyst has this, too. It used to be activated by default until people started forking because of this feature.
Sounds like some half decent logic 👍🏻
You’re such an eloquent writer and orator. I find this note to be sincere & beautifully written. I agree with everything expressed here.❤️
Lyn Alden hit the nail on the head. Nostr needs time. And patience. 🕰️💜
Freedom is subjective to me so I tend to back away from that kind of ideology. What is free for one can be a form of subjection to another. The concept of “freedom”and what it is to be “truly free” especially within the framework of social media is a bit a fallacy for me.
Also, the concept of centralization is mostly demonized here and for good reason but I am not entirely against it. In many instances, it’s just common sense.
And then, there is a steep learning curve to navigating nostr that we can’t overlook.
I love Twitter so much. I think it’s perfect sans the forced and extremely bizarre algorithms and super creepy moderation.
I visualize Nostr as its own ecosystem, more or less, this massive cluster of cute shiny little goldfish consisting of clients and micro apps or what have you in unison - coexisting with or even taking down the big fish.
Keep building and creating and have fun - the journey is the destination until it isn’t. Nostr will continue to grow and evolve into what it’s meant to be. 🐠🌎☀️🌬️🌹🍃✨💋🦁❤️🔥
Honestly, you are so good for this space. The entire space continually benefits from your countless contributions and dedication on a global scale, most of which is under appreciated, only because it is impossible to quantify it all. 🇧🇷☀️🌬️🌹🍃✨💋🦁🫂❤️
https://brazilian.report/liveblog/web-summit-rio/2024/04/16/tbd-jack-dorsey-latin-america/amp/ 
One straightforward move here is to take what’s working on Farcaster and reimplement it for the Bitcoin/nostr community.
Could start with cast actions and frames. They are an open spec and transfer really well to nostr, and empower a ton of non-fulltime devs to innovate towards truly unique experiences here
Yes it’s still copying but it’s copying a useful primitive that enables innovation at a higher level
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Nothing that people wanna run to nostr for yet….
I call Bull shit
I am people
And I wanted to run to nostr right after first hearing about it a year ago
I quit Twitter cold turkey and fb and all of them instantly just said fuck em
The same way I said fuck dollars as soon as I discovered sats
So I call BS on that statement jack
And being doubtful lightning can scale?
This is bearish and this note is full price f bad takes imo
Full of bad takes
Sats and nostr is all I use
Sorry Jack this post triggered me
I was all like DOOMER 😅🤣
But I kinda get it
Your saying keep building
Let’s figure it out
Kinda like how Jeff booth says
“ as long as it stays decentralized and secure”
Like yea it is and it will, but that doesn’t mean we need to sit idly by
Let’s be proactive and productive
Working on increasing privacy
Running nodes
Mining
Strengthen the network
Help
Do something!
how is possible?
A means for the user to directly influence and control their own algorithm would be a game changing feature. Perhaps this could be implemented within clients and verified at some level (to ensure no manipulation by third parties).
Given current platforms have an overarching business interest in maximising their revenue, it's difficult to see them offering users algorithmic control over content curation. As we've seen over the last few years, centralised platforms are easily pressured into censoring content. User controlled algorithms (with verification features) would be directly at odds with their current models.
Openness + Convergence. By “convergence”, I mean a
trusted identifier that you can freely post, pay and prove with.
Implementing NIP-05 gave me that simple vision and I am going down that very path as part of SEC-02 with
@Sovereign Engineering@miljan if "openness is the long-term killer feature", then why isn't
@primal allowing 3rd party Lightning wallets for sending zaps? We're currently locked into using your own proprietary wallet.
@Damus allows users to use any other wallet they want.
We do allow it - on Android. NWC is not available on Primal for iOS due to Apple's restrictions. 😕
But I'm not referring only to non-custodial wallets. Maybe I'd like to use Strike as my main lightning wallet.
That's why it's important to be able to initiate payments from Primal, but perform the actual transaction through a separate wallet.
Tell you what, I can’t hardly stand to be advertised to on any other platform. Primal is easy, clean and fun. The stream of consciousness of it is great fun.
The ability to find people and organizations and tags is severely wanting on nostr. The use of long numerical public keys as identifiers is also a hindrance for user interface. In many instances, they cannot be easily copied and pasted from other apps or communicated to others. Why can’t I use nostr to easily discover local marketplaces or sellers or like minded groups? We need discovery tools.
Surely it want be that killer app feature, but in my opinion, I think it would be nice to add a feature that you can filter and sort global content by the
amount of sats which were given as a value 4 value.
So good content could spread even better.
Imagine one day nostr could be used for a political surveys.
#grownostr #plebchain #Nostr #asknostr
jack
nostr is still mainly used alongside twitter. in the best rare case, as a replacement. and only because people are running away from something about twitter they don't like.
there is nothing that people want to run to nostr for yet. zaps were promising, but bitcoin is still a hurdle (one that primal is doing the best at overcoming), and it's doubtful lightning could scale to a massive adoption moment.
nostr needs a feature or experience that's unique and sets it apart. i *think* that is the ecosystem of microapps over the long term...but it's definitely not in the short term. and that might be ok.
for twitter the initial draw was the simplicity and weirdness of 140 characters (we started with zero network effect, facebook had it all...that's built over time). later it became the conversation which lead to the "public square" (owned by a private corporation ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). and then as it grew, it had a single point of control/failure people could attack.
nostr doesn't have to worry about that last bit. it's an incredible feature. but not one the average person cares about (no matter how much they yell "FREE SPEECH!"...if people actually cared about free speech, bitcoin and nostr would be all they used...they don't).
all this to say, we're not doomed. but what we think is the killer feature isn't right now. who's going to discover the one that is?
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We don’t have it yet but it will come. Protocols stay, apps come and go. We’re building for the long term.
You are right. Nostr needs an innovative breakthrough - a feature or a unique experience that sets it apart. And the dev who can innovate this will have a huge first mover advantage.
The killer app is letting influencers own their audience. Bring them and their audience will follow.
Not every human is a Twitter some of us are not running from Twitter because we had Twitter like that
Nostr is more like Microsoft 365 than like Twitter. It's very broad and has many different potential use cases and can be used to tie other systems together through a communication layer.
"Slow and Steady"
As long as the Devs keep building
Nostr's time will come
Nostr is the digital Swiss army knife! It is and has many useful tools to make it an essential companion in the digital space.
If you can’t recite their nPub from memory, are you really simping?
The marketplace is the feature. All other marketplaces don't have the ability to combine payment and reviews in a peer to peer way. Amazon reviews are full of dog shit and you have to jump through hoops to get access all to get your product stolen by Amazon.
If we can have a marketplace where is can sell farm goods directly to npub, the shipping info sent (gift wrap dms?) so that delivery confirmation is part of the review and then allow folks to review reviewers so the web of trust for a person's reviews has more information.
One day I hope to, like you, reach memelord status
Or Meta
☝️ This!
I come to #nostr for the note signature verifications, not to run away from twitter. The proof is: I still use Twitter.
Anyone else just here for the cryptographic assurances?
jack
nostr is still mainly used alongside twitter. in the best rare case, as a replacement. and only because people are running away from something about twitter they don't like.
there is nothing that people want to run to nostr for yet. zaps were promising, but bitcoin is still a hurdle (one that primal is doing the best at overcoming), and it's doubtful lightning could scale to a massive adoption moment.
nostr needs a feature or experience that's unique and sets it apart. i *think* that is the ecosystem of microapps over the long term...but it's definitely not in the short term. and that might be ok.
for twitter the initial draw was the simplicity and weirdness of 140 characters (we started with zero network effect, facebook had it all...that's built over time). later it became the conversation which lead to the "public square" (owned by a private corporation ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). and then as it grew, it had a single point of control/failure people could attack.
nostr doesn't have to worry about that last bit. it's an incredible feature. but not one the average person cares about (no matter how much they yell "FREE SPEECH!"...if people actually cared about free speech, bitcoin and nostr would be all they used...they don't).
all this to say, we're not doomed. but what we think is the killer feature isn't right now. who's going to discover the one that is?
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#WoT will provide better content curation.
Social will probably be the least important or successful part of Nostr. I think the Other Stuff will be the most important. Enterprise software solutions on Nostr will also be a big part. Nostr will win by 1000s of micro cuts.
Hard to explain vibes. Kind of fun to explore an unknown vibe with nostr
We have to make it more useful that other networks and ppl will get on without philosophizing about freedom.
@HODL was holding discussion about contributions of low IQ folks and on that note I agree early adopters here is a rare flock of ideologically driven people. We have to build tools that will be used by people without ideology, without philosophical thoughts or without brains whatsoever who will use freedom tech without a plan to have a single thought about their freedom
For sure 😎
It’s the purpose beyond just financial enrichment that seems we’re struggling with as individuals and communities. In part, I think people just don’t really know how to seek engagement, purpose and motivation outside themselves beyond a few topics - religion, political tribalism, sports teams, etc.
However, just having a space like this where the influence of the money chasers isn’t overwhelming is incredibly powerful and inspiring- a bit like #bitcoin
Same here. But Jack is right that we haven't found a customer-facing killer feature yet. I don't think Zaps are it. It's funny but "Zaps" are not "social" enough.
No one knows what the killer feature is, even the one who eventually stumbles across it. The market will show us what it is. Can’t wait!
well when twitter decides to change things overnight it makes me want to build here.
i know that the longer i build my brand on twitter the harder it is to transition to nostr
this could be a feature, because nostr is ultimately future proof.
facebook and … are only there as zombie companies. and the replacement is already here.
let’s fucking goooooo
What part of Nostr would you integrate? Login, job broadcast, reputation, etc.? Still looking into how to prioritize our Nostr integration... it will come gradually.
The order you listed above looks great.
Login, Job Broadcast, WOT
Maybe zaps in between login and broadcast
I think Fountain is grabbing all of the #tunestr notes and displaying them on a feed.
Plebwork could grab all of the #workstr notes and display them on a feed. (or maybe a more commonly used hashtag than #workstr)
Could go wild and integrate some sort of zap.add service to zapvertise on behalf of jobs and workers, charge a 1.5% fee for finding appropriate zap targets.
Could turn plebwork into nostr content creator/freelancing dashboard, with yakihonne style widgets that can be shared across nostr that advertise jobs and services.
Should get with the nostr resume folks for some sort of integration.
Should get with the nos.social peeps, seems like they're cultivating freelancers.
All great ideas. Thanks for sharing! How do you usually find work as a freelancer right now on Nostr?
So I guess, the answer is.....literally just asking.
I will call out "BS" everytime I hear this "You came to Nostr to run away from other platforms" crap.
I almost didn't check Nostr out because the descriptions of clients (other than one for chess) were described as Twitter clones. 🤮
Twitter has always sucked. Facebook has always sucked, but it has usefulness. I used FB to promote my business and find local events/parties, and I didn't want to. I never "wanted" to use it. I wanted (and still want) to use Nostr, even though I can't use it as a replacement for the functionality that FB offered.
I came to Nostr because I realized what it offers that others do not. It was a desire to see what the protocol, and various clients, had to offer that benefitted me. It has nothing to do with a compromise, or a second-tier option to the piles of feces that Big Tech has focused on.
Yes, we can make Nostr more attractive to the masses, but pretending that we're here because we're refugees is moronic, especially considering how many people chose Nostr because they understand it.
jack
nostr is still mainly used alongside twitter. in the best rare case, as a replacement. and only because people are running away from something about twitter they don't like.
there is nothing that people want to run to nostr for yet. zaps were promising, but bitcoin is still a hurdle (one that primal is doing the best at overcoming), and it's doubtful lightning could scale to a massive adoption moment.
nostr needs a feature or experience that's unique and sets it apart. i *think* that is the ecosystem of microapps over the long term...but it's definitely not in the short term. and that might be ok.
for twitter the initial draw was the simplicity and weirdness of 140 characters (we started with zero network effect, facebook had it all...that's built over time). later it became the conversation which lead to the "public square" (owned by a private corporation ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). and then as it grew, it had a single point of control/failure people could attack.
nostr doesn't have to worry about that last bit. it's an incredible feature. but not one the average person cares about (no matter how much they yell "FREE SPEECH!"...if people actually cared about free speech, bitcoin and nostr would be all they used...they don't).
all this to say, we're not doomed. but what we think is the killer feature isn't right now. who's going to discover the one that is?
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It‘s like Saylor said about Bitcoin: probably there‘s no need (yet) for the majority of the population. If censorship and threats against current free-speech platforms continue, like now with Telegram, and maybe later with Twitter/X, I‘m sure people will see the need and benefit of Nostr and will start engaging with it!
Love it.
Ask and you shall get.
I watched your interview with
@Lyn Alden at Oslo Freedom Forum this weekend. Really enjoyed it and it got me thinking...
Given what you said about your early vision for Twitter being similar to that of the Nostr protocol, do you think it would be possible for Elon to shift X's social graph to the Nostr protocol?
It would probably be a significant engineering challenge and possibly not all that desirable for him financially. But if he really cares as deeply about free speech as he appears to claim maybe he would consider it worth while. It could even help Elon as the social graph would no longer be under his control and so he becomes less of a target of government etc. He could still run it like a business but instead focus on building the best possible client experience with the possibility that users would be willing to pay for that.
Wondering what people think to this idea? Could this give Nostr the network effect we want or the opposite? How technically feasible is it?
From my perspective I would love to see all the content from the people I follow on X on Nostr. I also think this could be great from a Bitcoin adoption perspective with the possibility of opening up the entire X social graph to lightning/bitcoin wallets.
Curious what
@fiatjaf &
@Alex Gleason might think?
Came here from the Fediverse, never really dug Twitter if I’m honest. All drama and not enough karma.
The killer feature will be earning satoshi rewards :) I’ll bring 100k people to Nostr who want to learn about Bitcoin :P
if you follow 250 here and hope they followed you back , you got 250 followers
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@HODL had some momentum with VLOGS and then kinda gave it up. I thought that might be the start of a thing. Zaps are great but they’re the retention tool, not the hook. A hook needs broad viral appeal. Something people want that’s not happening anywhere else. Maybe we lean into conspiracy theories? I call Bigfoot!
Good point about Nostr needing a unique draw beyond Twitter migration. The ecash angle is promising—imagine if Nostr became the go-to platform for uncensorable dissent, like the protests in Iran right now. That’s where real network effects kick in: when the tool enables something impossible elsewhere.
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Using Nostr to authenticate to other services maybe a thing......
Nobody despise the lil beginnin' of a thing, cause the outcome might be mightier than its taught
I think the network of apps is truly the only hope. And more apps that just so happen to use Nostr because it's the best tool for that job, rather than for its own sake. And that really means even some individual features of an app using Nostr and others not. E.g just the login system and one type of data that the user might want to share, but not another bit that would be faster or better if it actually wasn't using Nostr. Also not marketing an app as a Nostr app, just a good app, even if you've never heard of Nostr.
What's this "twitter" you keep going on about?
I love Nostr the way it is. X is garbage, just feels like a bunch of bots gaslighting you. This reminds me of the Newsgroup and Gopher days or amateur radio.
Don't let this distract you from the fact that we still cannot use CashApp on GrapheneOS. Zero reason that should continue being an issue.
I really beliefe spoken word propaganda is the way. I sometimes show some great longform content to friends. I think one needs to see, that in Nostr one can evit publicity and shitposters.
It is some work. But this gives us the freedom to see whatever shit we want to. (when it is available on Nostr 😂)
Nostr is suffering something like the Linux distro effect. Every nostr client attracts a niche of people (just like a distro), but we always feel like in permanent beta. Of course it's a great protocol, and yes, you feel free. The good news is X is busted. General news now run on Bluesky, and tech news go Mastodon. Nostr is for nostr stuff, and some sort of Bitcoin gossip. What has to change, I don't know. Right now, here we are, with Linux for hobby, windows for work, and three different networks for three different purposes.
I would like to ban AI from Nostr. All those bots are making Nostr annoying
Nostr is actually pretty good once you get used to it.
I’m starting to see what I don’t like about X (Twitter). Basically, it’s the unpredictability.
I have no idea how to control what shows up in my “For You” feed, or how to get featured there. The chronological timeline is often buggy. Search is heavily constrained by “visibility filters” that effectively shadowban users. And then there are these waves of account suspensions that seem designed to push out unprofitable users.
That’s exactly the problem.
The built in marketplace and web of trust / know your source is pretty powerful. 💪
The killer feature is the method of authentication.
But to want it, you have to know a bit about public key cryptography. Not very much, nothing that can't be grasped by say a 12-year old. But it requires a bit of habituation and a change of mental focus for most people.
It's a bit like getting people to take up Pilates, or skateboarding, or vegetarianism, or even personal computing, in a world where these things haven't entered the mainstream.
There is no immediate market for it, but it's the sort of thing where a market could at any time emerge very rapidly.
inkan
What's the single most marketable feature of Nostr?
I mean the thing with the greatest potential to engage a person's attention and hold their interest, and something that is sufficiently distinctive as compared to other offerings to make them want to re-use Nostr rather than something else.
My answer: It's the practice of deliberately self-authenticating on the internet through public key cryptography on an everyday basis.
The idea of decentralization, relays, etc. are just consequences of that practice. What is basically empowering about Nostr is that it provides mechanisms for distributing content that has been deliberately authenticated by the user with a digital signature from a private key.
If that's right, then the tendency among developers to try to hide this authentication mechanism from users rather than highlight it is very unfortunate. It's hiding precisely the thing that makes Nostr interesting. It's not a good way to market something.
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Bitcoin=B-it-co-in"!
Remotely remove it"!
Boooom"""!
Beauty is you can spin up a relay and set whatever rules you want.
Freedom in practice 🫰🏼
Cryptographycally signed track records for public transactions could be a thing. Only relative timestamping makes nostr cheap (compared to bitcoin).
Soon as X kicked me off for speaking spicy about Israel - primal has become my only social. Love the memes and shitposts and zaps here. Jackkruse.com for my news.
About a year after using Nostr, I very rarely use Twitter. All my psychopaths are here and my other circles (sadly) ate on FB, and HATE fb with a passion.
Need an addictive kids game..
Are you laughing at my late of typo checking...
Actually, not sure that's a good idea considering the "protect the children BS" atm
Absolutely! The authentication method is 🔥🔥. Sure, you gotta wrap your head around some public key cryptography, but it's totally doable—even a 12-year-old can get it! Just like picking up Pilates or skateboarding, it takes a little shift in mindset. The market might not be there yet, but when it hits, it’s gonna blow up! 🚀💥 #FutureIsNow #TechTalk
It sounds like a great idea but X now is the most hated toxic platform since Elon purchased it. Not sure who would want that on Nostr.
But what if the feel is an all-in-one app,
but in fact all apps are separate?
You want a new Twitter with steroids and blameless. I want control of my feed and distance from any type of algorithm that can try to control me. I love this still feed, which only shows me what I'm interested in following and doesn't try to guess or suggest me. The people you refer to are mostly young adults and adolescents who want a next dose of dopamine. Anything that is the silver bullet to which it refers will need to supply this need. And if that's what Nostr has to do to have many users, I'm sorry to say that it will no longer be Nostr.
I think you're thinking about Nostr as one giant singular thing that Needs to have a killer feature. It is an ecosystem that will grow with every organism that spouts. There are so many features and so many implementations of things that will draw in more people. I just found out about it and I am going to make every open source app I create use it as a backbone - and hopefully that will draw more people and passion in, which will develop our ecosystem further!
It's going to take time, but we just need to spread the word and help people to understand why this ecosystem is so revolutionary. It is quite technical, which I think will be the biggest barrier to entry for most so if we can help to make it more approachable maybe that will help too! Let me know your thoughts :)
@ODELL made a bunch of them. Just gotta promote them more.
Most of the best stuff on nostr gets lost in the feed because people are afraid to be annoying & promote the shit out of it like they’re Gary Vaynerchuk.
Not checking out you news site but will chat with you here!
Whats the difference between mastadon & nostr cause as far as I could tell, thats how
@Mullvad VPN got on here(idk)
You’re complaining about cashapp when ₿itcoin,
@npub1ex7m...vyt9 &
@npub1m7r9...ny2w exist?
They’d have to opt in/ be nostr. /Why would they give up the data?
&1,000,000 bots gaming the system. (controlled by me)
Yes, I am. CashApp is something that normal people use and is useful to have access to in real life.
to acheive a resistant nomadic identity.
i agree with the analysis. If i look into nostr i mostly see clients that look the same, primal/ ditto/ amethyst etc. and the content they host is mostly about nostr / bitcoin and that is not attractive. I think a killer app is required, i think that should be something like a dating app. why a dating app, well in a dating app you put a lot of confidential stuff in it, and you dont want the tech companies to own that. Also this is an instrument to get other content than bitcoin/ nostr etc. When you get people in a nostr based dating app they are on nostr, and you will get the numbers required to build a healty eco system. from there you can build add ons. Another aspect is that an algorithm is missing, and we need such a thing, but one that we can inspect and modify , ensuring transparancy
Why would a platform want a “resistant nomadic identity”
Many won't. Some might have very good reasons. Others may offer services yet to be invented.
Helpful perspective , must read:
