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Very cool 😎 👌
@UNCLE ROCKSTAR are you going to hold the record for the largest ecash zap as well?
It is. CLN and LND paying a single invoice together 🧑🤝🧑. Theoretically extendable to any number of mints.
Seems rather historical.
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Congratulations! Sounds super cool but I have honestly no idea what it means!! 👍
This is genius.... Cashu FTW!
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Why would someone need this?
Wouldn't it cost more in fees?
calle
Holy shit it's working! Paid a 100k sats Lightning invoice from two different Cashu mints at the same time.
Enter atomic multinut payments.
All Cashu wallets let you use multiple mints. To reduce rug risk, we encourage users to leave only small amounts on each mint. This introduces a big UX challenge which forces users to distribute funds on different mints in a smart way. It's particularly problematic when you're trying to pay a bigger Lightning invoice from your small balances. Who has time for that?
The Lightning protocol allows nodes to split a single payment HTLC into multiple parts to increase the chance of reaching the destination, called Multi-Path Payments (MPP). Typically, that's done from one sender to one receiver. What if... you can just break the rules?
A multinut payment originates from multiple Lightning nodes to pay a single invoice, atomically. Even if none of your mint balances can cover an invoice, as long as your total balance is large enough, you can pay the invoice.
I don't think anyone was crazy enough to do this before. Pretty sure what you see here is the first invoice being paid using a CLN and an LND node at the same time. Amazing work by the team, special thanks to
@x.
fucking gangsta
split an invoice on multiple mint
So it’s like I use money from Citibank, Bank of America, and Chase all at once to pay someone an amount that’s more than I have in each individual account? 🤯 Remind me why people still use banks? 🤡
This is arguably the biggest development in cashu, like, ever
Kinda surprised that this took so long.
Kinda mindblown that this is even possible.
Thrill seeker.
Thx!!
Path finding was a bit trickier than we thought!
I wonder if Hal had any idea that this was going to be possible when he first wrote about Bitcoin banks...
noted
What NUT is this? Game changer!
People don't realize how insanely cool Lightning is
But, but, muh HUb & SpoKE!
This is nuts
Absolute game changer! 🔥
I tried this a few months back. I have a dangling code branch. Keen to give it a try again!
Simply amazing work.
View quoted note →Lol
Lightning to the moon
multinut is never bad
👀
calle
Holy shit it's working! Paid a 100k sats Lightning invoice from two different Cashu mints at the same time.
Enter atomic multinut payments.
All Cashu wallets let you use multiple mints. To reduce rug risk, we encourage users to leave only small amounts on each mint. This introduces a big UX challenge which forces users to distribute funds on different mints in a smart way. It's particularly problematic when you're trying to pay a bigger Lightning invoice from your small balances. Who has time for that?
The Lightning protocol allows nodes to split a single payment HTLC into multiple parts to increase the chance of reaching the destination, called Multi-Path Payments (MPP). Typically, that's done from one sender to one receiver. What if... you can just break the rules?
A multinut payment originates from multiple Lightning nodes to pay a single invoice, atomically. Even if none of your mint balances can cover an invoice, as long as your total balance is large enough, you can pay the invoice.
I don't think anyone was crazy enough to do this before. Pretty sure what you see here is the first invoice being paid using a CLN and an LND node at the same time. Amazing work by the team, special thanks to
@x.
2 nuts are always better than one. 😅
Good work !
any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
I need to go down the ecash rabbithole
Nutspread.
🥜💦
calle
Holy shit it's working! Paid a 100k sats Lightning invoice from two different Cashu mints at the same time.
Enter atomic multinut payments.
All Cashu wallets let you use multiple mints. To reduce rug risk, we encourage users to leave only small amounts on each mint. This introduces a big UX challenge which forces users to distribute funds on different mints in a smart way. It's particularly problematic when you're trying to pay a bigger Lightning invoice from your small balances. Who has time for that?
The Lightning protocol allows nodes to split a single payment HTLC into multiple parts to increase the chance of reaching the destination, called Multi-Path Payments (MPP). Typically, that's done from one sender to one receiver. What if... you can just break the rules?
A multinut payment originates from multiple Lightning nodes to pay a single invoice, atomically. Even if none of your mint balances can cover an invoice, as long as your total balance is large enough, you can pay the invoice.
I don't think anyone was crazy enough to do this before. Pretty sure what you see here is the first invoice being paid using a CLN and an LND node at the same time. Amazing work by the team, special thanks to
@x.
I'm gonna be thinking about this all day if I'm honest
This is pretty awesome.
Great
Yestr 💯 🎯
Genio
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Awesome 💟
Is the payment compared on the client or do the mints have to be aware that this is happening?
Next cool step: spend USD or EUR balance first and only pay the missing part from sats balance.
(composed not compared)
this is nutts
Den Fortschritt von CashU verfolge ich geNÜSSlich!😎🚀
massive
Especially when 100k = $1k
Spicing it up:
calle
Holy shit it's working! Paid a 100k sats Lightning invoice from two different Cashu mints at the same time.
Enter atomic multinut payments.
All Cashu wallets let you use multiple mints. To reduce rug risk, we encourage users to leave only small amounts on each mint. This introduces a big UX challenge which forces users to distribute funds on different mints in a smart way. It's particularly problematic when you're trying to pay a bigger Lightning invoice from your small balances. Who has time for that?
The Lightning protocol allows nodes to split a single payment HTLC into multiple parts to increase the chance of reaching the destination, called Multi-Path Payments (MPP). Typically, that's done from one sender to one receiver. What if... you can just break the rules?
A multinut payment originates from multiple Lightning nodes to pay a single invoice, atomically. Even if none of your mint balances can cover an invoice, as long as your total balance is large enough, you can pay the invoice.
I don't think anyone was crazy enough to do this before. Pretty sure what you see here is the first invoice being paid using a CLN and an LND node at the same time. Amazing work by the team, special thanks to
@x.
Multinut take my money
really wish you'd take the dev party off the telegram app. its so antithetical to your movement. Nostr would allow better engagement.
Lightning is insanely capable and complex ...and also cool
privacy at its best
Fucking awesome!
great!!
join us on matrix
Insane. Imagine trying to pay a bill from multiple fiat bank accounts at once…
Not to mention doing so in a privacy respecting way
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you can just join the matrix
This is huge and completely redefines the landscape on Cashu v fedimint
All your eggs spread across many baskets that can be used in concert, or all your eggs in one big basket protected by multiple entities?
In Cash, one mint rugging means you lose all that is on this mint, but only that. On Fedimint you lose nothing until a majority of guardians rug, in which case in you lose everything.
Now that both approaches achieve the same level of practicality, the determing factor is your threat model. And that's great 🔥
calle
Holy shit it's working! Paid a 100k sats Lightning invoice from two different Cashu mints at the same time.
Enter atomic multinut payments.
All Cashu wallets let you use multiple mints. To reduce rug risk, we encourage users to leave only small amounts on each mint. This introduces a big UX challenge which forces users to distribute funds on different mints in a smart way. It's particularly problematic when you're trying to pay a bigger Lightning invoice from your small balances. Who has time for that?
The Lightning protocol allows nodes to split a single payment HTLC into multiple parts to increase the chance of reaching the destination, called Multi-Path Payments (MPP). Typically, that's done from one sender to one receiver. What if... you can just break the rules?
A multinut payment originates from multiple Lightning nodes to pay a single invoice, atomically. Even if none of your mint balances can cover an invoice, as long as your total balance is large enough, you can pay the invoice.
I don't think anyone was crazy enough to do this before. Pretty sure what you see here is the first invoice being paid using a CLN and an LND node at the same time. Amazing work by the team, special thanks to
@x.
wow that is crazy
I'm learning 🤙
👀
This is next level shit 🔥🗽
Also ich versteh das System nicht. Was soll der Vorteil sein?
Bringt doch nur Nachteile mit sich
im this years old
@calle when do you think this will be available in the PWA?
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i know I'm childish ...but multi-nut got me laughing all day ...ty
Very Nice!!!
What happens if not every partial payment succeeds?
Would never trust the 90s gum after this
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Nice. What about transaction fees? Triple it?
I think it’s insanely cool but I’m trying to think how onboarding my non bitcoin friends would go mostly around the idea of having to set up a node and manage inbound outbound liquidity. I know there’s Zeus and LSPs but still there’s a lot of learning all the same really.
Cashu though, I think is pretty incredibly powerful for onboarding lightning and bitcoin “look here’s some digital ‘cash’ it’s actually real bitcoin, but not need to get technical right now” … next time “oh yea so here’s a few things you can do, go straight to full custody bitcoin by … etc etc”
I reckon gifting sats to my mates through cashu being my first attempt at onboarding them. Thanks
@callePermissionless innovation is getting crazy!!
View quoted note →Sick but didn't you do this a year ago
we started a year ago which lead to a CLN feature that we can use now and we needed to improve our LND path finding loop
basically a year ago this only worked with LND for up to 1000 sats or so using a terminal
👀
This is great.
How is user observed mint availability/ reliability reported, measured, communicated today?
Unfortunately it's the same reason to keep the Twitter channel, you reach a lot of people.
😅
I do 🫡
Hell yeah!
Welche Nachteile?
I need an ELI5, anyone ?
Sure, ecash was meant to be used in small payments or for small amounts usually to be used without fees at the sacrifice of you needing a custodial for your balance (the mint) thus it is recommended to have small balances on these mints.
Lighting on itself was meant to be non-custodial therefore incentivizing a higher capacity for sats on it, it has small fees, but comes with the headache of managing and rebalancing channels.
So what its shown here is that if you have balance split among multiple mints, you can use this balance from them to pay a single invoice in lightning, thus reducing the risk of being rugged by the total amount by a single mint custodian, and not having to manage a lighting node to make big and fast payments.
Congrats! I can't wait to start learning more about this.
I’d knock out an entire pack in a single go.
Is the expectation that users will always pay to lightning invoices? Or will Cashu nuts direct to the payee eventually take over?
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Wow Pedro!
THIS IS AWESOME. THINK I'LL DUMP NO MORE (OR LESS) THAN 58,000 SATS INTO ANY GIVEN MINT.
calle
Holy shit it's working! Paid a 100k sats Lightning invoice from two different Cashu mints at the same time.
Enter atomic multinut payments.
All Cashu wallets let you use multiple mints. To reduce rug risk, we encourage users to leave only small amounts on each mint. This introduces a big UX challenge which forces users to distribute funds on different mints in a smart way. It's particularly problematic when you're trying to pay a bigger Lightning invoice from your small balances. Who has time for that?
The Lightning protocol allows nodes to split a single payment HTLC into multiple parts to increase the chance of reaching the destination, called Multi-Path Payments (MPP). Typically, that's done from one sender to one receiver. What if... you can just break the rules?
A multinut payment originates from multiple Lightning nodes to pay a single invoice, atomically. Even if none of your mint balances can cover an invoice, as long as your total balance is large enough, you can pay the invoice.
I don't think anyone was crazy enough to do this before. Pretty sure what you see here is the first invoice being paid using a CLN and an LND node at the same time. Amazing work by the team, special thanks to
@x.
Amazing! Maximum respect to you guys!
This is absolutely fantastic news!!!
ohhh nice, this is a big improvement then. Thank you for your explanation kind sir.
Yes this website is great, and manually user reported.
How might we make use of real-time availability data of the multi-mint model?
Bullish. Looking forward to this in cashu-ts. 👀
I don't know, sorry (above my pay grade).
💪
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Multinut payments is huuuuge!
When will it be deployed in cashu.me pwa?
Thx
Soon, we still have some things to work on before!
It's already in the release. Although most mints won't be upgrading for some time. Don't have control over that.
When can I tip ecash to someone who does not know what ecash?
You can use cashu.me to create and send a token that is also a link to the wallet. Like
https://cashu.me/#token=cashuB...Thanks!
This is the most popular post on Nostr this past week. Bullish.
calle
Holy shit it's working! Paid a 100k sats Lightning invoice from two different Cashu mints at the same time.
Enter atomic multinut payments.
All Cashu wallets let you use multiple mints. To reduce rug risk, we encourage users to leave only small amounts on each mint. This introduces a big UX challenge which forces users to distribute funds on different mints in a smart way. It's particularly problematic when you're trying to pay a bigger Lightning invoice from your small balances. Who has time for that?
The Lightning protocol allows nodes to split a single payment HTLC into multiple parts to increase the chance of reaching the destination, called Multi-Path Payments (MPP). Typically, that's done from one sender to one receiver. What if... you can just break the rules?
A multinut payment originates from multiple Lightning nodes to pay a single invoice, atomically. Even if none of your mint balances can cover an invoice, as long as your total balance is large enough, you can pay the invoice.
I don't think anyone was crazy enough to do this before. Pretty sure what you see here is the first invoice being paid using a CLN and an LND node at the same time. Amazing work by the team, special thanks to
@x.
Naja es ist ja leider nicht Self custodial, also wieder eine Abhängigkeit und ich muss meine btc tauschen. Double spending ist auch möglich. Klingt nicht gut.
