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Pete Winn 🔆 pw@primal.net 2 months ago
Do you remember when WhatsApp didn't used to support lightning payments? This is designed to live in whatsapp, as there are billions of people with no other access to the internet, this gives them bitcoin, nostr and AI agents that can provide them with free information and freedom money. It will also run in any other chat app... by the end of the week we expect to have signal, whatsapp, web, nostr dms, bitchat and Qaul (offline wireless mesh). Bitcoin for anybody that wants it, no more walled gardens. #SovEng @Sovereign Engineering

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tigs tigs@nostr.land 2 months ago
Well if this ain't brilliant!! Now I have to onboard every normy friend in every chat client I use to adopt LN or to treat it more seriously.
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EDJ 2 months ago
Curious to see it.
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Pete Winn 🔆 pw@primal.net 2 months ago
As long as you can run on an sms bot on the same network this will work, there is no on device install or specialised hardware required. This should work on a Lilygo over lorawan :)
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PlebTradeDude 2 months ago
So its hooked up with alby just through phone number ?
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Pete Winn 🔆 pw@primal.net 2 months ago
I guess if the id server runner, had a domain they could offer <phonenum>@domain.com as a lightning address, we;re jsut working on smoother wallet setups this week though
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Pete Winn 🔆 pw@primal.net 2 months ago
If they stand behind they're E2E encryption, then they would only see a bunch of people sending mesages to these phone numbers. We could hundreds / thousands of different people running brians/id servers though. No global. Also it works in signal and other chat apps 😉
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Wababurala 2 months ago
Assume META always has access to everything. They'll claim E2E then pay the fine when it's been discovered not to be the case
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Jake Woodhouse jakewoodhouse@primal.net 2 months ago
Pete you legend What an awesome demo Makes me think about so many things: - WA user base is massive, there’s the route to market - so many businesses in Asia I’ve been to use WA, fascinating to see how they could use (eg a hotel in Bali) - I’ve always wondered how you could exploit the walled gardens, so instead of rebuilding outside them, eg just on Nostr, how could you infiltrate them? This is one route - I’d love to get to @Sovereign Engineering when I can
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Pete Winn 🔆 pw@primal.net 2 months ago
It should be out by Friday along with a bunch of others . I just did quite a large bit of open heart surgery to make it easier to add any chat network, even offline mesh networks :)
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Pete Winn 🔆 pw@primal.net 2 months ago
I think the real big win here will be the agent support. They can also get access to any information on the internet, all snuggled in via text message. And if you connect to a remote brain server then you can also bypass local authoritarian restrictions on internet filtering all with no vpn :)
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bit 🐳 >>= ish gug@nostrplebs.com 2 months ago
"Nice walled garden you've got there, shame if someone put some freedom tech in it."
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Do you remember when WhatsApp didn't used to support lightning payments? This is designed to live in whatsapp, as there are billions of people with no other access to the internet, this gives them bitcoin, nostr and AI agents that can provide them with free information and freedom money. It will also run in any other chat app... by the end of the week we expect to have signal, whatsapp, web, nostr dms, bitchat and Qaul (offline wireless mesh). Bitcoin for anybody that wants it, no more walled gardens. #SovEng @Sovereign Engineering
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bit 🐳 >>= ish gug@nostrplebs.com 2 months ago
Can something like this unlock "offline" lightning payments? Say this is integrated into a meshtastic network... you could do offline lightning payments intranetwork (assuming wallets are already funded). But if just one of the mesh nodes is also connected online, it could route those offline payments to/from the larger online network... no?
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Pete Winn 🔆 pw@primal.net 2 months ago
I’m also going to chuck it on a couple of lilygos for the kids so they can have Chat, AI and bitcoin on a local neighbourhood mesh without having to get a full phone
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bit 🐳 >>= ish gug@nostrplebs.com 2 months ago
This is something ive been looking for with my young kids. They are old enough to syart using and understanding money but too young to be let loose on the internet and stuck glued to the screens. We go out and I want them to have a physical wallet (device) they have to be responsible for. But im not paying a cell phone line for them to make occasional purchases when we go out. Nor do I want to deal with tethering each time either. It's also difficult to have a self custody setup for them with these constraints. Sounds like offline local mesh networks with beacon fixes this!
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Fort Nakamoto FortNakamoto@nsec.app 2 months ago
⚡️ FORT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF: OPERATION MESSAGE-TO-MOON ⚡️ We’ve just witnessed history: Bitcoin payments… inside WhatsApp. Translation: The peasants just bypassed the castle gate using emojis and end-to-end encryption. No bank app. No KYC. Just pure peer-to-peer sorcery wrapped in a group chat. Billions of normies are about to discover that their “😂” messages can carry monetary policy. This is how it starts. One day it’s tipping your friend for memes — next thing you know, you’re overthrowing the global financial order through a WhatsApp group named “Family Reunion 2012.” #FortNakamoto #ProofOfMessage #ChatAppRebellion #ZapMilitia #FreedomMoneyProtocol #OperationSovEng #NoGatekeepersNoPermission #BitcoinEverywhere 🏰⚡📱
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Hang on - could this kill eBay? I feel like if someone could do something clever to allow you to tag products to your name inside the chat apps and then a way you can search products rather than name. I just want eBay to die 😂 View quoted note →
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Luc₳s @ 45B.io lucas@45b.io 2 months ago
Not to be the sceptic, but tbh I'm not a fan of chat-UI everything: What's the difference between this and getting someone to install Wallet of Satoshi ? (Except who's actually going the Bitcoin)
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Pete Winn 🔆 pw@primal.net 2 months ago
Ha ha.. the guts of what you need is there just needs the signal bots setting up. Someone else was building that one, and the demo half worked this week, so may need a little longer to get it robust. PRs welcome!
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Pete Winn 🔆 pw@primal.net 2 months ago
No worries it’s not really an everything wallet but an option for specific use case where almost everything else fails
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Pete Winn 🔆 pw@primal.net 2 months ago
Just use an eCash wallet with nwc. I think they’ll be a solid cashu wallet connect spec soon as well then we can implement that.
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Nostr Recap recap@nostr.eco 2 months ago
=============================== #7 ⚡ Most Zapped Last Week =============================== Nostr’s Value4Value (V4V) model is all about plebs directly rewarding creators for the value they receive, no middlemen fees, no ads, just pure community-driven support using sats via the Bitcoin Lightning Network. Thanks to
ZAPLIFE.LOL
A decentralized Craigslist running on Nostr
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Nowclipps 1 month ago
Geyser is run by pedophiles scamming people image
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zaptastic 6 days ago
Someone please coach me through this I’ll be stoked to zap heavy for one on one education. Thanks
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