The “Epstein hijacked bitcoin” FUD is truly some of the most mid-curve politislop I’ve ever heard.
If you see someone spouting this nonsense, first try to educate them politely.
If that doesn’t work, ridicule them into oblivion.
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My shitcoiner buddy is totally clueless
Agree. The swarm has hijacked Bitcoin.
Matrix fud
If someone is spouting off that shite then you ignore them because they don’t even understand the basics of what bitcoin is. Let them find out at a later date.
I don't think he did but lets be honest there will be plenty of intel and feds who will continue to try. Once they start having failed treasury auctions or close to it they will likely come after us hard.
The "Epstein hijacked bitcoin engagement FUD influencer post" is truly some of the most lazy, sociopathic bullshit I've ever seen. Why aren't people with platforms doing their fucking job and talking about the fact that:
A) Adam Back probably went to the island when he couldn't have not known Epstein was a pedophile and a suspected sex trafficker
B) Bryan Bishop sought funding for genetic baby engineering at a time where he couldn't have not known Epstein was a pedophile and suspected sex trafficker
C) Jeremy Rubin sought funding from Epstein and also speculated in a chummy way with him on the universal intellectual inferiority of women at a time where he couldn't have not known Epstein was a pedophile and suspected sex trafficker.
This
I’m not into orange pilling past mentioning it. If they’re not interested then I move on.
And I'm not a monero boi or knots retard looking for a scalp, nor am I in the diminishingly small population of XRP spedmoids who think Epstein invented or hijacked bitcoin.
I would just like bitcoin engagement content to not be one big long commercial break that carries water for people with deviant moral lapses.
I trust you've got your facts right, but it is possible any one of these people may not have known Epstein's crimes at the time, no? I don't know exactly when, but gather these interactions were a decently long time back, when the charges/convictions were less well publicized.
Jeremy Rubin chumming it up with Epstein in 2016, 8 years after his soliciting a minor conviction after a plea deal that causes the feds to drop the sex trafficking investigation
Jmail
Jeremy Rubin: Re: mah jong NOT women dominated. — Epstein Emails
Email from Jeremy Rubin in jeevacation@gmail.com: Games where no one wins are games for losers ;) @JeremyRubin On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Jerem
Bryan Bishop seeking designer baby funding 10 years after Epstein's conviction
Jmail
Bryan Bishop: Re: Designer babies — Epstein Emails
Email from Bryan Bishop in jeevacation@gmail.com: If Aug 2nd 4pm EST works for you, then I can send out a calendar invite. On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 10:3
…. ___ .__ / _.. ___ / _.__ ___ .._ / _ ._. ._ .. _. / ._ / …. ___ .._ … . .__. ._.. ._ _. _ / .. _. _ ___ / . ._ _ .. _. __. / _… ._ ._. _… . _._. .._ . / _._. …. .. _._. _._ . _. ..__..
Epstein telling Amir Taki about having "Andy Back" on his island, 6 years after Epstein's conviction. Other emails in a very tight time range indicate that it would be Adam Back that visited the island.
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Shouldn't bitcoin influencers who discuss topical events be the ones asking that specific question: How could they have not known?
I know about this reference. I mean I'd seen it a few days ago. Genuinely imagine it's possible he wasn't aware (I know I hadn't heard of Epstein or his crimes then). Seems plausible to me anyway, so curious why you'd claim he must have known. Also, KNOWING and hearing rumors about are kinda different things imo. Just thinking aloud, since you convinced he would have been sure of extent of crimes by then etc.
None of these people have risen to address these communications, so we can't know what their official excuse is. But the questions should be asked of them, which nobody of consquwnce has bothered to do.
I refuse to believe the “people” saying that are real. They have to be bots.
Couldn't have been him. It was me. I hijacked Bitcoin.
It's so ridiculous, I don't even want to talk to normies about it.
Is he an XRPee guy…?
Yeah, I would expect them to at least speculate like we are here. Not sure if they are or not, but knowing how things work I know what you mean. Aside from that though, it's not for Adam (gonna stick with his example) to necessarily feel obligated to comment. Might be a legal thing, or just a "it's none of your business i don't owe you explanation for my personal choices" thing 🤷♀️
In the case of the latter, then nobody owes him the benefit of the doubt, because it's very fucking simple to clear the air.
UNLESS he's waiting to make sure he's not in any more of the forthcoming doc drops, so he can confidently make up an excuse.
I dunno, it feels a little cancel culturey to bent out of shape and demand an explanation when there's not even an alleged crime. You make a good case though
If I can be the voice of reason as well, I think the criticism is less about the pedophilia and a direct question about what exactly did Epstein buy by influencing the development of Bitcoin. Knowing his history the question is what in the background of finance and tech development is compromised potentially and ignoring this question doesn't make BTC better.
Fuck off retard. It's clearly a problem that Bitcoin has been hijacked by dollarbrains, and the Epstein files included some good reminders of this.
The fact that he later divested seems to indicate that he wasn't getting his way.
The playbook is always the same: associate the threat with something socially toxic to raise the cost of public support. They did it with gold ownership in '33, encryption in the '90s, and now Bitcoin. The tell is that the attack never engages the technical merits — it targets the social permission structure around adoption.
bitcoin was always prone to a centralized capture
why not educate em on monero instead?
He tried to hijack Bitcoin.
He literally tried to hijack everything he could.
That said, core30 was a direct result of input from Epstein.
Core is compromised and pretending they aren't does nothing to fix the problem.
Instead of trying to downplay Epsteins involvement why don't you run a node and help prevent people like Epstein from turning the chain into some kind of illegal media hosting service for pedos.
Be part of the solution instead of pretending there's no problem.
He was arrested in 2013 by the feds for raping children and the case was dropped before facing any consequences.
It was pretty much common knowledge among his associates that he was doing that stuff.
Even if someone wasn't hurting kids along side him they're just as bad for enabling it by maintaining any kind of relationship with him.
Doesn't it seem plausible that someone not close to him, only a year later, may not have even heard about it? Do you do a criminal background check on everyone you meet? Or even, if you did hear rumor, might you not think "probably people are out to get him cuz he's so rich?" That's all I'm saying.
Going to the island, and not knowing what goes on there is probably the equivalent to going to Disneyland, and not knowing there were rides.
While that's a funny analogy, I don't know that that's true in 2014. Anyway, I don't know how I find myself on this side of the argument lol, I'll be quiet now
I don't know who any "famous" Bitcoiners are, and I'll probably never give any fucks about them either. It just seems obvious that there was only one use for that place while under Epstein's management.
Certainly obvious in recent years. What ever happened to "don't look a gift horse in the mouth?" Jk on that last one!
I'm not talking about "obvious after the arrest". Haven't you seen arial pics? It's not very large.
I have not. Can't imagine what they'd reveal, lemme have a look...
Ok, it's much smaller than I'd imagined. Looks like a resort... what am I looking for?
I believe part of the reason for having the island is so evidence doesn't need to be hidden after each event. All ritual rooms, devices, sick artistic depictions, etc could be left out in the open. But sure, let's pretend someone could visit there, and have no clue.
lol, there's no way it doesn't have a permanent armed guard with machine guns, artillery, gun boats and helicopters. i mean, it's got an airstrip, also, as well as docks. it's probably military grade security. really, it's a city state, or like one.
no idea what it looks like now, since presumably they did a wipedown and it's probably now guarded by local government security, probably less than it would have been before, but my guess is that it's like a condemned building now, with a permanent guard.
also, pretty sure that the place has an extensive underground complex under it. you've seen the photos of the "temple" looking building. that's just the entry to where things happen.
Yeah, I guess I knew the look of it. Don't see how an aerial view was supposed to tip me off that depraved things go on behind closed doors though. 🤷♀️
I was talking about the size of the island. Nowhere did I say, or even indicate, that an arial photo would provide evidence of wrong doing.
If you're going to try to put words in my mouth, then you're just being an asshole at this point.
I'm multi tasking and maybe missed something. Apologies. It seemed to me like you were suggesting someone should have known suspicious things were afoot from aerial view, which I guess we both agree makes no sense. So you can see my confusion, hopefully. Sorry about that 😁
Cool. You weren't trying to put words in my mouth. (whew!)
I'm just saying the place was small enough to notice some weird shit. I would believe otherwise if that island was known to be used for other purposes, but no one (accuseed or otherwise) has said anything like, "Oh, that place was frequently rented out for mundane corporate retreats.", as a quick example.
It had a dedicated purpose.
In the case of the Core devs, let me see if I can make the case that this is a risk to Bitcoin.
Open source Dev communities are particularly sensitive to optics of a project. Who is on a project can very well be a deterrent to who would otherwise want to work on a project.
We are constantly told how precious few Core developers are; how particularly difficult it is to work on.
Don't you think those guys might actually be a risk to the long-term maintainability of the project, if they could serve as a deterrent to participation? You'd have to be extra-autistic not to be a little weebed out by the fact that there was an absolute void of community discussion about how the people reviewing your code and steering project direction surfaced in the Epstein files.
I forgot to mention, no apology needed. 🤝
Along with Andy Back.
"...extra-autistic..." 👀
Back isn't a core dev to my knowledge, and his case was farthest back in time, which is why I was seemingly defending him, as I could imagine he'd genuinely be unaware.
I see accusations being hurled on X a bit when I've checked in, so it seems some are calling for explanations, but what I guess rubs me the wrong way about it most is it mostly seems like the classic "look at me, I'm part of bitcoin's immune response system, calling out the bad actors" type of behavior that I'm thoroughly sick of and don't miss (see less of it here on nostr where it's more chill).
Like I said, you make a good case, and I suppose if the usual influencer suspects aren't at least talking a bit about it, that is annoying and predictable.
I guess my stance is to just chill out a bit on _demanding_ explanation, as it's all very new and I don't like mob mentality piling on in the heat of the moment. I expect soon enough he may comment about it, and hopefully dispel any suspicions he was somehow coerced into shady dealings.
My comment was in regard to the Core devs and not back.
Ah I see. And those interactions (one in particular) took place later on... Would be nice to hear good explanation soon. Not a great look.
No, right now he's excited about ZEBEC whatever that is
walker is pedocoin maximalist now
walker now trying to redact pedocoin history with podcast narratives
MUST SAVE PROOF
PROOF OF PEDOCOIN
Epstein doesn't strike me as a guy that just gives up.
More than a bad look, it is a risk to the project attracting top talent.
Never heard of it…
It’s all shit, just a different shade and consistency.
If you think Epstein hijacked Bitcoin then you don’t understand how bitcoin works.
Also, this narrative is actively being pushed by Bcashers and XRPee goons.
Ask yourself why.
Putting aside shitcoins trying to capitalize on this, real bitcoiners wanting to know the details and questioning the implications shouldn't be ridiculed. That's the only point I have to make. Even the most hardcore bitcoiner has to understand there's multiple problems with BTC, it's not a perfect system and not even a perfect ideology fit for people who want a honest system
SCUMBAG
After watching that interview between Bannon and Epstein, I get the impression that he was was interested in new technologies because he was a globalist/transhumanist. That's not necessarily the same agenda as the states and central banks. Add to that the mossad agents who've had bitcoin wallets when arrested, and I'm left with the original thesis of 'bitcoin is for enemies.' Everyone is going to act in their own self interest, cooperation is not needed, and I can't think of a way to design a system that could better withstand the adversarial self interest of its participants. What we're seeing is simply that playing out.
My concern isn't that Bitcoin is being used by Mossad, it's which apps, financial laws and protocols have been corrupted. Let's say theirs a backdoor in Blockstream devices, maybe even Adam Back doesn't know, these are things we need to think about now before peoples retirement is attached to it
Their Jade is entirely open source, reproducible, and air-gappable. On top of that, Blockstream is the only company that has put up actual satellites with nodes on them to serve undeveloped parts of the world. This attacking of Adam Back is quite obviously intended to hurt Bitcoin, by impeding development and adoption. And I know almost everyone is super impressed with this tech, but I must insist on this point - we are behind in this game. We are currently losing it, and losing badly. I am not willing to let our opponents take a critical piece off the board.
Mid-curve cope. When people can’t attack the protocol, they invent fan fiction.
Calling people fancy new made slurs is the best way to undo your argument
How is core30 a direct result of input from Epstein? I don't see coherent arguments coming from the anti-core crowd. If anything, Knots financial backers, Ocean, should be looked at much more closely. The ones championing individual miners are creating a situation where big miners could break mempool price discovery with a centralized API (Mara's slipstream). The only counter argument I see from anti-core people is to downplay the significance of that. So price discovery, the raison d'etre of free markets, is not important?
He also has bosses that will pivot their asset to match circumstances. We can see in hindsight that poisoning the space with shitcoinery was a much better and more developed attack.
Bitcoin cohereion is one vector of attack as well, there are multiple paths they took to keep the technology and get rid of the ideology.
Yeah this is the key point a lot of folks clearly miss (or choose to ignore).
To me from an intelligence point of view, why would you divest from any vectors of attack. The BTC danger isn't that it's uncensorable, it's the ideology, the shitcoin attack was to show anything can be BTC and that failed and they would have obviously make contingency plans for that. Simply put the focus shifted from changing the protocol to how it's integrated in purchases and the broader fiat system. Those investments are actively going on and the proof is Black Rock buying up BTC miners, Coinbase ownership, forced Binances to be sold via the US government and sitting on boards of every major dealer of BTC including Microstrategy and Jack Dorseys Cashapp. The attack didn't stop guys.
I don't see this email exchange in other Epstein docs and will delete it because it might be fake.
what about Peter Todd and John Dillon?
was that also nonsense?
why do we now have another link between bitcoiners and shady organizations?
To me from an intelligence point of view, why would you divest from any vectors of attack. The BTC danger isn't that it's uncensorable, it's the ideology, the shitcoin attack was to show anything can be BTC and that failed and they would have obviously make contingency plans for that. Simply put the focus shifted from changing the protocol to how it's integrated in purchases and the broader fiat system. Those investments are actively going on and the proof is Black Rock buying up BTC miners, Coinbase ownership, forced Binances to be sold via the US government and sitting on boards of every major dealer of BTC including Microstrategy and Jack Dorseys Cashapp. The attack didn't stop guys.
To me from an intelligence point of view, why would you divest from any vectors of attack. The BTC danger isn't that it's uncensorable, it's the ideology, the shitcoin attack was to show anything can be BTC and that failed and they would have obviously make contingency plans for that. Simply put the focus shifted from changing the protocol to how it's integrated in purchases and the broader fiat system. Those investments are actively going on and the proof is Black Rock buying up BTC miners, Coinbase ownership, forced Binances to be sold via the US government and sitting on boards of every major dealer of BTC including Microstrategy and Jack Dorseys Cashapp. The attack didn't stop guys.
Dumping on bitcoin for muh altcoin is a shitcoiner move. It does not help Monero's cause.
Sorry for deleting my post, the email exchange with Peter Theil is not verifiable (none of the Epstein releases by the DOJ are, as expected because they aren't acting in good faith)
💯 The attacks won't stop. ETFs are shitcoinery 2.0. "Regulatory clarity" is the Strategy of Saylor's ilk. And incorporation of "bitcoin companies" amounts to deputization by the state to..attack bitcoin.
Question would logically be: did any of the BIP's from these developers during this era reduce bitcoin's cypherpunk essence and make it more prone to state control?
If not, its an intriguing nothing burger
None of that is necessarily an attack. It could be, but not necessarily. Buying equity in emerging markets is more easily explained as a common sense strategy to stay rich. Now that they own some, their incentives change. Where before they may have had a strong incentive to undermine bitcoin, now as owners their incentive at least partially shifts to maintaining or enhancing the value proposition of bitcoin. Blackrock, governments, funds, etc., buying bitcoin was always going to happen and was a big reason for focusing so much on the store if value aspect - the beautiful thing about this trojan horse is that they become fellow Trojans. Of course, not entirely, but over time we recruit more and more of them ; people and the capital they control convert slowly to our side. As long as we keep SoV central, all the game theory will play out. Even decentralization will gain a lot of momentum just from SoV, since all "stakeholders" (I hate this term) will want to control mining as much as they can.
What's the best way to fuck all this up? Us turning on each other. As always, in everything.
Also, though shitcoins are stupid, it would be silly to forget that a lot of OG bitcoiners started shitcoins **_specifically to test and strengthen bitcoin._** And it worked. It worked incredibly well. The retards F'd off to piss in other pools.
Have you been living under a rock the last 3 years or you’ve just new here?
Are you referring to knots/core debate and OP_Return? If so, What links do those developers and how does the funding during that time tie into now, because I don’t see the link
> make it more prone to state control?
By making it harder to run a node or disincentify it all together.
I get the point and agree that disincentivizing nodes is awful, but OP_return drama didn’t emerge during that time and those devs that received funding from MIT media have nothing to do with pushing it today.
Maybe I’m missing something (in that case let me know) but from what I can tell there is no link between today’s drama and the funding from media lab back in the early/mis 2010’s.
It’s true, no direct link can be drawn between the two so far. But just the fact that this is coming out now and everyone involved has been totally silent about it for more than a decade, should give us all pause and time to reassess some of our core beliefs. IMO all trust we may had in the people associated with Epstein should be forfeited despite the absence of a smoking gun that points to some clear wrongdoing.