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Gm,
I still see dozens of people daily on the brink of leaving because of spam, but it's effectively solved if people use the tools we already have
Use these as your relays:
wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://wot.sudocarlos.com
wss://relay.otherstuff.fyi
If you are running a relay not on this list please add it to the GitHub repo offchain.pub
Is there an easy way to check if I have enough followers in someone's WoT? I have not idea if I would be allowed in any of the relays mentioned above, and I don't know how to check this.
Primal is cool and all but consider using a real nostr client pls ππΈ
Some cool new relays to try out
utxo the webmaster π§βπ»
Gm,
I still see dozens of people daily on the brink of leaving because of spam, but it's effectively solved if people use the tools we already have
Use these as your relays:
wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://wot.sudocarlos.com
wss://relay.otherstuff.fyi
If you are running a relay not on this list please add it to the GitHub repo
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utxo the webmaster π§βπ»
Gm,
I still see dozens of people daily on the brink of leaving because of spam, but it's effectively solved if people use the tools we already have
Use these as your relays:
wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://wot.sudocarlos.com
wss://relay.otherstuff.fyi
If you are running a relay not on this list please add it to the GitHub repo
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What client do you recommend for US iPhone users who want to be able to zap?
I use similar relays and have not seen spam in weeks
utxo the webmaster π§βπ»
Gm,
I still see dozens of people daily on the brink of leaving because of spam, but it's effectively solved if people use the tools we already have
Use these as your relays:
wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://wot.sudocarlos.com
wss://relay.otherstuff.fyi
If you are running a relay not on this list please add it to the GitHub repo
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How does WoT work again? For my dummy self?
This comment perfectly displays how horrible of an idea it is to require users to understand and manage relays.
@jack β if youβre serious about making a client, I hope end-user relay UI/UX is high on the list.
@beejay β Red means theyβre no longer connecting, so you can probably remove them, and yes, he means delete all of your current relays and replace them with those.
Thanks, I have only 4 out of the 10 or so to remove then. I don't seem to have a problem with the one I set up on Primal.net though.
I really haven't delved that much into relays yet, I was just taking advantage of the knowledge shared here on this post. I usually look things up and try them out myself.
Other than that, I wouldn't consider myself an average user, I run a web hosting server & web services since 1999 and have a lot of other tech experience (running Linux and Graphene OS, etc).
I added these relay and deleted those which are infiltrated. π¬ Yes they are a bammer and pain in the back side! π
I also just had eye surgery and misread the post, thought it said, "add these to your relays" not, "use these as your relays" π¬
Definitely not an average user! Iβm in the same industry.
Ultimately, though, my point was that if nostr is going to be successful, the average non-technical user shouldnβt need to understand relays at all to do basic things like filter common spam.
It is true π―
can you explain why I should use these relays?
There's a few different implementations out there, and they are configurable.
@utxo the webmaster π§βπ» wrote
GitHub
GitHub - bitvora/wot-relay: archiving every note in your web of trust
archiving every note in your web of trust. Contribute to bitvora/wot-relay development by creating an account on GitHub.
which defaults to "I trust you if at least 3 people in my WoT follows you". This is configurable of course. The problem is, currently I don't have an easy way to know if folks inside a WoT relay are getting my notes. I know that you are getting this as you are using my IPv6 relay, but is utxo getting this note? I don't know.
Anyone the relay operator follows, and who those people follow, are allowed to post to the relay
Made a meme for you
This is my relayβ¦
There are many like it, but this one is mine *breathes heavily*
I use mostly Damus.
I have primal installed as
1. When first starting out it gave (and still does) and easy hot wallet for zaps
2. I find it useful to use two apps when composing sometimes so I can look up note ids etc
3. I was testing apps and was looking for a consistent Ux across devicesβ¦
I use primarily Damus
What spam?
No. There is presently no objective way to detect WoT relays. Should be added to relay categories, which should then be added to NIP-11. But even then, very few people would correct categorize their relay.
I have some ideas for how to tag relays with categories in an ad-hoc way, but haven't landed on one yet.
You want to end the bot, erase your relay list and add only WoT relays, it works, now coffee
utxo the webmaster π§βπ»
Gm,
I still see dozens of people daily on the brink of leaving because of spam, but it's effectively solved if people use the tools we already have
Use these as your relays:
wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://wot.sudocarlos.com
wss://relay.otherstuff.fyi
If you are running a relay not on this list please add it to the GitHub repo
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@MAHDOOD this stopped the reply guy spam completely for me. Did it just this morning π
Now that is neat.
Is that distance configurable or is it always those followed by the people the relay operator follows, so that is a distance of 2.
I get why one wants it low, too high and you get one mffer in that is spammy.
I can see this. Also thanks for the info, I was wondering if the WoT length was configurable.
π€
UX Idea:
Have clients recognize relay links specifically inside of a comment and insert a small "add" button that automatically puts them in your list after a pop up confirmation (for signing the change and verifying the URI obviously).
Relays for normal people are super confusing, and requiring people to go change explicit settings to have a good experience on nostr is going to turn off a huge number of users, imo.
View quoted note βThank you for posting this and eliminating the guess work.
Im assuming i should do this on all my clients.
I recommend it yes
right, the problem is they add a relay and expect spam to stop. need moar relay education materials i think for each app (esp the popular ones). π€
This is great, I only had to update nostrudel and thenngo to nostr profile manager and now it synced on all my clients.
Thank you so much.
No more reply guy!!!
Most of these are red in Primal. Is that ok?
I agree, but thatβs not happening today.
Android is no better than iPhone. GrapheneOS for the win.
Zapping is the problem with Damus. Iβve used Nostur, but that has problems too.
GrapheneOS is built on Android mah brutha.
And for this case, Android is literally better than iphone. That doesn't mean in all respects it's better though π
Sameβ¦I just use Primal for zaps and as my βhot lighting walletβ
Working on setting up a node via AlbyHub to sweep into
Using
@primal, I swapped out my old "recommended" relays for the following relays, and have already noticed a better experience.
Thanks
@utxo the webmaster π§βπ»!
However, my phone's
@Damus client is now unresponsive. The new clients are not shown on Damus, and when I try to add them, it won't allow me to do so.
Any thoughts
@jb55?
Without my Damus client, I have lost the ability to zap as well.
View quoted note βThey need to disconnect from the relays the spammer is using first
The average user shouldn't have to juggle addresses in the backend, so please don't act like this should be expected of them.
There should be tools and solutions which do this well enough automatically for the majority of users.
Gm
Best to experience the system via standard unmodified apps to understand the average userβs experience.
The solution is use wot relays only
utxo the webmaster π§βπ»
Gm,
I still see dozens of people daily on the brink of leaving because of spam, but it's effectively solved if people use the tools we already have
Use these as your relays:
wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://wot.sudocarlos.com
wss://relay.otherstuff.fyi
If you are running a relay not on this list please add it to the GitHub repo
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The thing isβ¦ people have to first understand what youβre talking about, thatβs one of the challenges for new tech.
Iβm new to this, and Iβm gonna definitely research how to do what youβre saying cause I donβt know anything about what youβre talking about.
But most people wonβt do it and I donβt blame them, most are not techies or they just donβt have the time. They need to work.
I understand nostr is a work in progress and Iβm willing to learn but I donβt blame those who expect it to just work.
Exactly
There was a downside to this but I donβt remember what it was
Did it and I still can't escape Reply guys
With the thread I sentyohu I fixed it
Updated but I think they're still following me around
Have to use only these, right?
Pretty much. I added a bunch of WoT relays per
@utxo the webmaster π§βπ»'s recommendation
View quoted note βWhat is special about these relays?
I still don't know what WoT is and I'm too afraid to ask again.
Thanks
Wot is web of trust. It's like a digital map of your friends and their friends and their friends and so on. The friends of your friend are ranked higher as they're less likely to be spam or scammers versus someone say 5 levels away from you. You can think of it like 7 levels of Kevin bacon. You trust more the ones closest to you. Relays and clients can use this social map to help filter out spam and scams.
and Wot is retarded
Why do you think so?
People are already complaining about engagement from it and it does not solve the real problem. Relays are still getting abused and this is just lipstick on a pig
Wot would limit your ability to find far away people and vice versa. I can see how it could reduce engagement. Everything isnangive and take though - no perfect solutions exist (in anything).
I halfway agree abt the relay situation. This method will hide spam notes from being served to your client. But that does not mean those spam notes do not exist on certain relays. I would think the relays that implement wot would block most of the spam notes so no abuse since they wouldn't be storing them. It's the relays who don't implement it (or some other method) that would continue to be abused.
So what would be your alternative solution?
They implement web of trust (wot)
Spam can die right now if every relay did nip-05 only. The Ditto devs may implement this soon
what is the repo, pls?
What would prevent a spammer from registering and automatically rotating nip05's? I imagine it would just devolve into whackamole.
That is no problem at all. At the relay level, you could write policy to reject that entire domain
I'd imagine the spammer response would then be to rotate domains. What would be the counter to that?
Same as before. Domains are easy to block. Individuals are hard. It is the best idea and everything the devs are coming up with is retarded and temporary.
Domains are as easy to block as individual nip05s or any other specific identifier, i agree with that. But if the spammer is rotating domains, every time one gets blocked they can instantly switch to a fresh one. It would take relays time to identify the new domain as spam. So there would be a period of time where the spam leaks through. The moment the domain is blocked, they switch and spam leaks again.
To solve the Reply Guy shit, I added a button to my nostrudel fork to block any spammer at the Relay Level with 1-click. How come nobody else does this? Some nostr relays relays have tools to stop all this spam but admins don't do anything.
The same features exist on every alternative to Nostr. NIP05's are requested and approved by an admin. They only way a spammer could do this kind of attack would be to buy his own domain and broadcast to every relay and then any admin can simply block that domain in seconds.
Huh? So... they're really just complaining about the people they're following, aren't they? π
The real problem of useless people making things to annoy/abuse others will never be solved, ever. Bitter people exist. Since we're in the fourth turning, it's expected to just get worse. There's no ad revenue to game, so we'll have to see what incentives there are to being annoying.
I don't know of any major apps or relays filtering using WoT so far. I've only seen the WoT score on Coracle. Do you know of any?
If someone follows multiple relays the filtered posts would likely just get through on other non WoT relays.
You don't need Wot. Some relays have the tools now to fight spam without doing weird stuff like Wot. Iris ,Coracle have done similar stuff and it's always bad for the user.
If you have a forked nostrudel, aren't you blocking it at a client level? The relays you're connected to are probably still storing the spam if, as you say, the admins aren't doing anything about it.
It's one thing to block on your own personal fork since youre making decisions that impact you alone. But as an admin for a public client, their decisions impact a lot of people. Someone will eventually yell censorship. Reply guy is one thing as it's obvious spam but there's a gradient and where do you draw the line? How do you determine what is spam? Ironically enough, I use amythest and it puts your notes behind a "show anyway" button.
Blocking at a relay or client level requires an individual to make a unilateral decision for many. Filtering (which is what wot is implementing) is passive and other than setting the intial ruleset, does not require constant maintenece or decision making from the admin. This is probably why relay admins are weary of implementing nip05 blocking and devs are looking into wot.
Bot farm admins can easily setup Nip-05 though. So not sure how that will help, unless relay ops are willing to ban a lot of domains or use white lists. Kinda breaking things at that point.
Which is most of the major ones it seems.
Intendi pronti contro termine o repository?
Only friends (or friends of friends) of trusted people can write there.
This still leaves the problem that new users need a way to get into the WoT. Many people are lurkers and don't post or interact much.
I am a complete newbie. Would love a 101 post for enthusiastic non-techies!
you can't leave nostr, one only takes a break to return later
Gm
Nostur, Damus
#thanks for the #zap
Thanks. I'm dumb. I'll read all of this but I don't know how to apply it. I gave up on primal and I'm on Damus at the moment. Amethyst is really cool but has a lot of features that I haven't explored yet.
Use wot relays only
utxo the webmaster π§βπ»
Gm,
I still see dozens of people daily on the brink of leaving because of spam, but it's effectively solved if people use the tools we already have
Use these as your relays:
wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://wot.sudocarlos.com
wss://relay.otherstuff.fyi
If you are running a relay not on this list please add it to the GitHub repo
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I just removed one relay the spammers was using and it's all nice now.
thanks
i put those relays but still did not work , this #nostr became unusable
come on... seriously? all these spamming
#asknostr
Sorry I am not super technical. What I did was mute one of the replyguys on primal iOS and it seems to mute all of them.
Thank you!
π€
Is there a reply-guy activity 0-100 meter for relays? I imagine WOT relays above should be close to 0.
i just added all of them to my primal account and things are instantly good again. faster, can give likes, comments, etc.
it was becoming unusable. thank you for making NOSTR good for me again.
Not that I'm aware of, but you're right in assume it's probably close to zero. ...I definitely don't have time to write logic for every spam attack variant :D
Is it a Bot?
Usem apenas relés de rede de confiança
utxo the webmaster π§βπ»
Gm,
I still see dozens of people daily on the brink of leaving because of spam, but it's effectively solved if people use the tools we already have
Use these as your relays:
wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://wot.sudocarlos.com
wss://relay.otherstuff.fyi
If you are running a relay not on this list please add it to the GitHub repo
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lol
Rede de confiança tem esses aqui do
@utxo the webmaster π§βπ»
RelΓ©s pagos fica a seu critΓ©rio. Eu tenho dois: nostr.wine e xmr.rocks , nunca tive problema com eles
utxo the webmaster π§βπ»
Gm,
I still see dozens of people daily on the brink of leaving because of spam, but it's effectively solved if people use the tools we already have
Use these as your relays:
wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://wot.sudocarlos.com
wss://relay.otherstuff.fyi
If you are running a relay not on this list please add it to the GitHub repo
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TY Sirπ«‘
To avoid these spammers you can use wot relays only
utxo the webmaster π§βπ»
Gm,
I still see dozens of people daily on the brink of leaving because of spam, but it's effectively solved if people use the tools we already have
Use these as your relays:
wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://wot.sudocarlos.com
wss://relay.otherstuff.fyi
If you are running a relay not on this list please add it to the GitHub repo
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Por que não utilizar uma solução mais simples como usar relés de rede de confiança? O
@utxo the webmaster π§βπ» providencia vΓ‘rios
utxo the webmaster π§βπ»
Gm,
I still see dozens of people daily on the brink of leaving because of spam, but it's effectively solved if people use the tools we already have
Use these as your relays:
wss://wot.utxo.one
wss://nostrelites.org
wss://wot.nostr.party
wss://wot.sovbit.host
wss://wot.girino.org
wss://relay.lnau.net
wss://wot.siamstr.com
wss://wot.sudocarlos.com
wss://relay.otherstuff.fyi
If you are running a relay not on this list please add it to the GitHub repo
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