WE SHOULD LEAN INTO ZAPS HARD.
MOST NOSTR APPS SHOULD HAVE AN INTEGRATED WALLET.
CASHU SEEMS IDEAL.
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I need to learn about cashu. Read it's fairly simple.
Yes
Eu uso coinos.io me pareceu a mais amigavel
It would be great to have a standardized wallet across apps so I don’t have to transfer zaps around as I swap.
No but this is top priority IMO with nostr apps
More built-in cashu wallets are a must
Cashu is the 'protocol'
Minibits is the app which uses the cashu 'protocol'
I just wish the option to buy #zaps in @Primal would start working again. It stopped quite some time ago, and I've been left without an alternative to turn printed colored paper into #zaps.
🫤🫤🫤🫤🫤🫤
& cashu uses lightning (doesn't have to) so therefore NWC can be easily enabled with many cashu-based apps
Still haven’t figured out zap 😅
I’m in NY and on iOS. So most lightning wallets aren’t compatible.
Looks like only option is NWC wallet or Alby on Damus but haven’t figured out setup yet.
Right but I meant cashu.me the wallet
Ah yes @calle put NWC on cashu.me
Works great I use it on desktop often
Just need to leave the window open to use
Absolutely a big issue. The experience is fractured and inconsistent across all apps and operating systems.
Agreed, I'm loving minibits
Have been playing with Olas. One click nip61 nutzap wallet in app. Posted content. Zaps came into wallet. Zero effort or knowledge. 🐿️🐿️🐿️
#cashu
Or make it one click to install Phoenix from the nostr app, update zaps to support bolt12, update Phoenix to support zaps (it already does bolt12 well) and nwc 😅
You could zap ⚡️ me some big zaps ⚡️ and I’ll distribute them 🤣🤣🤣
why is the primal wallet function KYC?
Try @OVO . Here’s a tutorial: View quoted note →
Thanks you get my first zap!
yakihonne's working great for me past few weeks. can even use the nwc from the built-in wallet in other apps 🤙
@Zaza ^ LF Do it
So glad it worked!
Nutzaps or bust!
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Happy with my NWC @OVO wallet
can you install it from Github yet?
I use minibits. Does that count? Zaps have plummeted the last couple weeks, other folks confirming. For my case some say it might be because I use minibits. 🤷🏻♀️
Nostriches zapping all day via cash nut zaps ⚡️🥜 
Disagree, sorry.
#Cashu tracks you and wants many permissions you may not like. See analysis by #Exodus.
I don't think Cashu is ideal, regarding your privacy. It ruins the substance of #Nostr
Cashu* dammit
i did not personally try, got it from zapstore but pretty sure you can now
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Yall have all the money and went with primal wallet. Come on odell whats really good. Am i the only one with balls to tell these people how it is. Odell you guys have all the money and went with primal. Heavy with primal.
WE SHOULD LEAN INTO ZAPS HARD.
MOST NOSTR APPS SHOULD HAVE AN INTEGRATED WALLET.
CASHU SEEMS IDEAL.
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Caveat— imho Nostr clients need to implement NWC as an option to give users wallet choice.
Wallet exclusivity is a centralised point of failure and can lead to mandatory doxxing/kyc, money services business complications, money travel rule and other regulatory issues that could expose users and destroy a NOSTR client. If the wallet itself needs to be subject to those considerations, fine, but give users a choice at the client level, or suffer the consequences.
If you know any *very* popular Nostr clients forcing users to use one wallet, (and I know we all do). Do not use this client until they put wallet connection freedom back in the hands of the user.
It’s a risk, you all know it.
cashu doesn't work in ruzzia. thus it is censored and anti-Bitcoin.
Cashu is a protocol. People can use any app/wallet they want. I don't know which specific wallet are you talking about? Just pick one that doesn't track you?
I just zapped you and it worked fwiw.
Because it's built by a company owned by known people, so the government can send agents to imprison them if they don't add KYC/AML policies.
Thank love. Yes, absolutely. The question is do they work consistently every single time? I've come across notes by the same user showing up consecutively on my timeline and successfully zapped a couple of notes but not the next (of the same user). So it raises questions.
But why are a dozen seperate integrated wallets better than one wallet that connects to every app via NWC? The latter seems like a much better option from a management standpoint. I'd rather have one central wallet than a bunch of integrated wallets with individual balances I need to manage. Am I missing something?
Zap is Bitcoin, Like is a shitcoin.
agree
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I think fountain is fully custodial wallet for now… no option to use Nostr Wallet Connect or Cashu just yet as far as I’m concerned
Nostr will integrate bitcoin into everything. There is no limit
Cashu is custodial so I see a huge risk here
Most people aren't going to run a node for nwc.
What do you mean it doesn't work? It's an open protocol.
Yes
TGIF I’m going ZAPPIN
couldn't you make it self-custodial by running your own relay? cashu seems like a solid solution imo
dafuq is this?
YES, STAY HUMBLE AND STACK ZAPS ⚡️
that is not the reason. Its about custodial vs non custodial.
thank you for the clarification. I need to do my research into this matter.
I don't see any advantages of using ecash tbh. It's more risk in the game
What? You don't need to run a node to use NWC. Many custodial wallets support it. Minibits, Cashu, LifPay, and Coinos all support NWC.
No worries.
Don't use custodial wallets....please.
Primal native wallet works great, imo...
🤷♂️
Why do you care if people use custodial wallets for zaps? Also, most lightning wallets in use are custodial. There are some with integrated nodes (like Breez, Phoenix, Blixt, and Zeus) that are non-custodial, but most are custodial. I wouldn't hold a significant sum in a custodial wallet, but for zapping they're just fine.
yeaj just gimme your useless zaps
JK
Spread the wealth. If it’s freedom money, help free more people. Lead the way. Be a freedom fighter.
I’m on @primal . How does one send/receive Cashu? And where does one spend it?
The point is if you have a built in wallet, it should be not custodial. I have zero issues for zaps alone. Built in nostr wallets however have muchore they can be used for. Zaps, on chain, ln payments, large payments on shopstr, sports betting, whatever.
Hopefully in the future, 20 sat zaps won't be the only thing happening on NOSTR.
the technology needs to change a lot so that self-custody can be easy, cheap, and safe for hundreds of millions of people. if you lean into things like cashu now, it becomes normalized. you can say to yourself, "oh, it's only a little bit," but then it becomes more and more. go ahead and have fun with your cashu, but you should demand better instead of becoming complacent. it's really not good enough.
I believe these built-in wallets are custodial. You don't get a seed phrase to restore your wallet elsewhere. I think individual, built-in wallets should be an option, but not the only way. Freedom is about giving people options wherever possible so they can choose for themselves. Personally, I just don't like the idea of having to manage a bunch of integrated wallets. I'd rather have the ability to use my chosen wallet with every client.
No, it’s not “all Apple”.
Damus has an option to scan an NWC address, whereas Primal has *chosen* only to allow their wallet of choice on iOS, and then go further and disable the post button until you use that wallet of choice. Then go further and put users through their wallet of choice’s KYC funnel.
I’m not wrong, because this is my direct user experience. Is this the world we want to see? Repeat the same tactics that got us here in the first place? Walled garden locked functionality kyc nonsense. We know where this leads for companies that do this, so I’m chill: Bitcoin fixes them. 
I don't see why they have to be. They can easily make built in wallets that aren't custodial. But sure, connecting to one is easier. I also don't think in the long run there will be more than a few clients. Most will die out.
If government would not enforce KYC/AML exclusionary policies, then no custodial wallet would require KYC. KYC is just extra burden that no one wants to do, it's annoying, you have to integrate with someone providing it as a package, etc.
I agree that this is circular - when you do custodial wallet, then government will kneel on you and then you have to do KYC.
It’s irrelevant because Damus is doing it correctly within those SAME guidelines, that is my point. It is not Apple doing this, it is Primal.
Primal has made a choice that leads to downstream consequences antithetical to this community.
If Primal wants to protect its security, its reputation, and the reputation of all of the OGs that have driven user adoption, they will follow Damus’ lead. on iOS.
Why is this important? because we are poised to see an influx of non technical freedom lovers on these clients, they use iOS. The freedom of mobility the NOSTR back-end provides only goes so far when one client dominates another in terms of usability. So, holding platforms to account now, while the land grab is occurring is the only way we don’t repeat the harmful mistakes of the past and avoid becoming the thing we hate.
I'm not sure how to get Cashu and at this point I'm afraid to ask.
If you want to lean into zaps hard, what about a monthly contest as a suggestion? It’s fun and lighthearted. And it spreads the wealth.
On a day each month, Select 100 random Nostr users covering a variety of topics/interests who actively post authentic content on an almost daily basis. Wallets must be activated. Each user will receive a whale zap of 1million sats.
If not monthly, then run the contest daily at 3 users per day, which some might prefer. Same criteria as above. You can start today. Call it the “1 Million Sats a Day Giveaway” or “Who Wants to Be a Nostr Millionaire?” or something cooler. You can also create a different criteria if you’re not interested in the one above.
Go big or go home.
Based on the math, it’s basically 1 Bitcoin per month. Y’all got it.
cashu.space
Primal must offer only one wallet company option and is prohibited from prompting for an implementation like NWC to satisfy that wallet requirement because posts are products and are considered in-app purchases?
BS.
No way: because first of all, what’s it to Apple which wallet is integrated (unless it’s forced kyc on that wallet and if that’s true, Primal is not being transparent about that KYC submission—a red flag). Furthermore, the user has already received the product, nothing unlocks post-zap—this is a voluntary donation and might have well been agnostic to the content posted.
but…let’s assume the above is being illogically enforced.
The ux experience on Damus is one more phone touch — on the the little zap icon on top of EACH post. Primal thinks it’s worth it to dox users and lock them into one wallet option because they want one less touch.
I call bullshit, no Bitcoiner would agree to that tradeoff.
Looks like freedom to me. 😂
Yeah
Yep
ZAPS IS ALL I GOT !
NIP-60 (nutsack)
Your wallet follows you around without having to configure anything, just like your profile pops up when you login to a new client.
While you guys are fixing wallets, can you also promote splittable zaps in all the clients. I should be able to have a profile for my organization , and one zap can go to multiple wallets.
My nutsack wants to be split upon.
I spent all day figurimg this out:
So I spent literally all day today fucking around w different nostr clients & trying to figure out how to use a single wallet on them without having to pay an arm and a leg as a monthly fee or running some server-like thing on my desktop.
Here's the best option I figured out so far:
1) Create a wallet on YakiHonne
2) Create another wallet on Primal and fill it by converting fiat on that same app
3) Transfer the sats from the Primal Wallet to the Yakihonne wallet
4) Create an Alby account
5) Hook up the Yakihonne wallet to the Alby account
6) Connect all the nostr apps (except Yakihonne to the Alby account
Guys, this is INSANE. No normie is going to go through this ever. We need to figure out a better way if we want Nostr and zaps to be widely adopted by the general public.
If you know of an easier way, please let me know.
It worked fo me today
I followed this tutorial and it worked for me.
I’m in NY so apps have restriction regarding lightning client.
Anyway this worked for me:
Derek Ross
You asked for it. Here it is! How to enable Zaps in @Damus with @OVO
Also if you use Alby then I think you can connect it to Damus easily as we, but just looking at coinos it was hard to find intuitively way to connect it. You have to know what’s a nostr wallet connection is…. (NWC) …
Use YakiHonne wallet and hook it up yo am Alby account. Only thing that worked for me.
This has to be called Nutcracker!
NIPs 60 and 61 are not listed in the documentation, I am studying NIP 47 but it takes a lot, 60 and 61 looks much more straightforward
Downloaded eNuts and connected my npub. Is it possible to add the wallet to Nostr on Amethyst? Trying to get rid of WoS.
Don't use enuts it isn't maintained. Use @Minibits or cahsu.me
Thank you. I think I figured it out. I'm gonna zap you. Can you zap back a couple of sats, please. Just wanna make sure it is working fine.
Here’s more:
- Primal is not blatantly transparent about Strike’s KYC and not at all transparent about what data is sent to KYC users.
- Primal LOCKS post functionality if you don’t activate a wallet. Why not just disable Zaps?
- Primal isn’t up front and transparent that Strike is the wallet provider. Read our privacy policy does not count.
- Primal could provide other wallet options that can be topped up by Apple.
- Primal could adopt Damus’ approach, Zaps are reachable from EACH post.
Primal has CHOSEN not to adhere to these tenets of privacy and decentralization. There is nothing more you can say to “blame Apple” that can convince anyone otherwise because Damus does it, and Damus’ Zap flow works easily. The very fact that we can leave Primal and take our network with us IS the power of Nostr.
Why would any real Bitcoiner trade privacy for the ability to Zap differently? For convenience? We have all heard that before.
PS: I like Primal, but these decisions show a trend that is making me doubt everyone involved… including Strike: this all screams seeding a walled garden. Which is fine, but then the Bitcoin OGs that promote decentralisation and transparency as well as the Primal platform should re-check their ethos because there are some red flags here.
You make me swiftly test zap you everytime you complain.
Need a repository for apps that fit this bill... A ZapStore, if you will.
No. Try it yourself.
I’ve posted at least 5 valid criticisms and we are not going to start dissecting just one. Any Bitcoiner that’s been here long enough can clearly see that Primal is not keeping within the ethos of the community as much as Damus is.
Individual post zapping :: There is currently no reason to zap an individual post since nothing post-specific unlocks as a result of the zap. Funds all going in the same wallet anyway so why is this feature even necessary?
I’ll tell you why:
1. Primal wants paid content in future—ie Zap to unlock.
2. Primal wants metrics on posts that lead to zaps.
Primal can get around 2 with timestamping metrics and zap correlation. So, I’m suspecting this is all about 1 above.
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Strike’s hidden KYC submission: No, not “ask Strike”. It’s up to the front end to be transparent about instigating the KYC API, not the backend.
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Primal locks posts: You say posts need to be locked because posts can be zapped. No. Posting is independent from zapping, if I haven’t added a wallet, users can’t zap me anyway. Simply remove the zap button for users without wallets. I suspect posting is locked in order to incentivise users to add this KYC’d Strike wallet.
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Strike not disclosed clearly :: Agreed
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Other wallet options not present :: I don’t know any. What I do know is that optionality is freedom. Sacrificing freedom on a freedom focused NOSTR front-end is not congruent, hiding that provider (see above, makes it even worse.
Primal could also implement both Damus’s approach and their current approach concurrently. ie, select another wallet provider, and sorry, you can’t zap posts.
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Damus’ approach :: at the top of this post.
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** next post is what I suspect is going on in summary…
Here’s what could hypothetically be going on with Primal. To be clear, I don’t mind this happening for users that explicitly consent, but this KYC happens in the background without explicit user consent, which is not cool. Lot’s of Bitcoin OGs promote Primal.
== What Could Hypothetically be Happening with Primal ==
Primal signs an exclusivity with Strike and to incentivise as many users as possible to add a wallet, they lock post functionality unless wallet is added. Then unbeknownst to the user, KYC data based on Apple ID information is submitted through Strike without explicit user consent. Users are all doxxed through strike KYC linked to npubs. Post specific zapping will let users pay for unlockable digital content and in app purchases in an environment that’s all nicely money travel rule compliant.
Welcome to WeChat / WeChat Pay on Bitcoin! aka legacy banking 2.0.
🎤 goodnight, try the punch.
What's the point? I use Amethyst + Phoenix wallet on my phone, and zaps works seemlessly
Yep. #nostr #safebox is intended to integrate with any client. It will store health data, too!
Agree, and we should change the like button to a dislike and zap will be the new like
Integrate NWC and then the user brings a wallet of their choice. Can be custodial, self-custodial, ecash or lightning!n
#Nostrmo allows you to put any custom lightning address you want. 
A flutter nostr client for Android, IOS, MacOS, Windows, Web and Linux.
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Where does one find this "olas" you speak of?
nm found it
Where did you find it?
On the developer's Shithub, but does me no good - appears to be an ios only thing