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SimOne 1 year ago
I think it hinges on whether you have hope or not. I have hope > I have babies.
Over 10% of women are not able to conceive. That’s not a “few” exceptions, that’s 9.7 million women in the United States alone.
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SimOne 1 year ago
The possibilities one child produces are endless.
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SimOne 1 year ago
I have hope which means I frame difficulties as challenges rather than threats.
Please don't make babies if you can't take care of yourself. (That includes maintaing a loving and healthy relationship with your wive)
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x 1 year ago
Can't even take care of myself. Wouldn't want to know how I would fare with having kids.
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Asinius 1 year ago
The future belongs to those who show up.
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Chris 1 year ago
Start by taking better care of yourself 🙏🏻😉
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Chris 1 year ago
Reread the allegory of Plato’s Cave. “Lots of us are happy looking at shadows on the wall”
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Jensen 1 year ago
Disagree, enough folks are having kids and there will always be folks who want them. Lots of ways to give back to our world and those around us. The only reason to have children is because you have the desire to raise children. I respect everyone's personal choice. I choose to be childfree ♥️
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Valence 1 year ago
If you have children then you may have perspective on this, if you do not, then you are larping.
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Chris 1 year ago
I get it. You’re 20-something. You like your life. It’s safe. I was there once too. Now I’ve raised 3 boys to adulthood. It’s the hardest, most joyful, most frustrating, most wonderful experience you can possibly have as a human. There is NO way to learn unconditional love that even compares, IMO. Your children become your GREATEST teacher. Remember me when you are staring into the eyes of your first newborn Ben. Staring into infinite love and joy. 🥰 (Side note. One of my best friends and business partners just had his first at 47! Held the “I don’t need kids” line for 20 years! Now he can’t believe he was going to miss the most “foundationally transformative” thing in his entire life! (His words). Thx for letting an eternally grateful 55 yr old parent rant…. 👴😉 Be well 🙏🏻
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R 1 year ago
My wife and I can’t make any more babies, but our babies are making their own babies now, so that’s pretty cool.
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Pirate HODL 1 year ago
I want to. Can't seem to find someone who wants to join me in the endeavor.
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lilith 1 year ago
Stop advocating for policies that reduce the social safety nets needed to raise physically and emotionally stable children, stupid fucks.
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arcadium 1 year ago
I have 8, many around me don’t have any. I’m stacking for those I’m closest to.without them ,id be doing the work for someone else .who wouldn’t appreciate my stacking effort
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kate 1 year ago
Not necessarily. But the issue is generativity. After you’ve peaked mentally and physically you need to invest in the next generation or your energies are wasted.
Yea. Imma call bullsihit on this one. Technology is arguably the most impactful thing that humans have ever created. Regardless of biological inheritance, the individual contributions each of us make in a lifetime (in the things we create and the words we speak and write) will propagate across many generations BECAUSE of human technology. To even acknowledge that humans have “something special” over animals, is to recognize the evolutionary power of our technology to shape society and the world around us in ways that baby making will never touch. Babies are just cannon fodder for technological growth.
Population collapse… 😤 Seriously? With human population being the MOST now than ever before… you are concerned about a recent decline in birth rate ? Let’s talk in 5 more generations, after it rebounds. If it does not, then we can go full on handmaids tale. image
There's actually a decent argument for population collapse coming over the next century and some proposed solutions. Quite an interesting topic.
What's the point of a legacy if there is no one to pass the torch to ?
This is the way, if I had my time again I would have had more children.
Foundation: let’s make something to keep the knowledge alive and then make the dark ages take less centuries than it should without this help. 🫡
L take, the only way to pass on technological innovation and keep the ball rolling is to raise and teach the next generation how to use and build upon it. Babies are cannon fodder for knowledge. If we don't do this then we're are only going to have further generations of brain rotten tick tock users that the don't contribute much to society, in such a scenario society stagnates.
Population always grows and declines exponentially, so people tend to underestimate the trajectory. People also confuse longer lifespans with fertility, as a region is temporarily extremely crowded. That's what Germany has. Seems to be overrun by people, but it's only temporary, until the older generations die off and leave only the smaller ones.
1. A person without children has no personal authority (like a parent has over a child) yet tries to wield it publicly. 2. Raising children changes your perspective on reality, both of yourself and your relationships with others. 3. You experience how growth happens and how to plan and prepare for the future. This is not to say childless people can't contribute positively, but someone raising children has objectively experienced more about life in this world and opportunities to practice virtue.
What I have or have not “tried” is irrelevant. And you have no idea. My statements stand on their own value. They are either bullshit or not.
> “Population always grows and declines exponentially.” But has never fallen bellow the threshold of “bouncing back” … nothing even close. Humans are THE MOST resilient of all lifeforms on this earth. I am not concerned for our future. But that’s prolly just my naive optimism kicking in. #teamhuman
“This is not to say childless can't contribute positively” That’s most magnanimous of you but wouldn’t it be better to cull childless people at the age of 40, least they try making a contribution to the world somehow?
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👻 1 year ago
Unfortunately, we are on a path to eliminate humans on our current trajectory, for human like robots. We're already obsolete when miso robotics can take all the starter fast food jobs for 16-18yr olds legally.
You're conflating childless people in general with those in authority, as my original post states, and taking issue with a qualifying statement, not the original argument.
Humans actually have hit the fertility "point of no return" quite often, but it was always geographically limited. This time, it's entire geographic regions. Even migration won't make a difference, as it just delays the situation one generation in the new place and speeds it up accordingly, in the old place. Doesn't mean humans will go extinct, but it does imply that we'll stop building and revert to subsistance. Humans only build when there is scarcity and progeny.
Time will tell. Give it a few generations to see clearly. Until then, optimism will do more to advance society than fear. IMHO.
Basic curriculum necessary to be a functioning adult remains similar, but perhaps the method can be improved: I have many ideas if interested, but didn’t want to go full rant here (I see many potential parallels with open source). The biggest change is not to push inorganic agendas that homogenize and weaken human resilience: Sorry, no Bitcoin national anthem either. Our kids are with other people for 7 hours a day, this is massive power when it comes to the future of humanity, and we need to fix it.
Right! Not to mention … the human lineage has been TOP baby makers on this planet for hundreds of millennia. The Lindy effect would agree that 50 or 100 years of regionally declining birth rates is of ZERO concern to human survival. image
It is like making a neural network 1000x more potent than chatGPT and the best robotics developed over millions of years - together - that runs on 100 watts energy !
Humans will never be obsolete unless we give up, which sadly, seems to be quite common of late.
Yes. Everybody is valuable. Until they die. Then only the things they’ve built and the ideas they’ve shared with others (including god) are all that is left to value. Technology (the evolution of human consciousness) is what we have made, and is the most valuable thing we can pass onto future generations, no matter whose babies they are. I may be full of bullshit, but I will always respect you and everybody else I meet in this short life. That is my small but valuable gift.
Actually I’ll be 36 in a few short months. I guess having never been that great at relieving my own suffering I feel it would be kind of hypocritical to accept the responsibility of relieving someone else’s.
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Chris 1 year ago
It takes self awareness to realise that, Ben. And maturity. Most people have very little of either. That alone gives you a BIG leg up on parenting. Like Bitcoin, parenting calls you into becoming a better version of yourself. At the very least, don’t rule it out. It expands your heart (and therefore awarenes) in ways that are impossible to describe in words alone 💓🧬🦋
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Chris 1 year ago
Pick up a copy of “The Untethered Soul” by Michael Singer. Transformational. For me and countless others 💓🙏🏻 Very approachable
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Chris 1 year ago
That’s a high high bar. (No ego). If everyone used that, humans would have become extinct loooooong ago. Just sayin.
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Cavern Harpy 1 year ago
Most people are retarded. They're here because retards made them. Please stop making rerards
On the dark side of the moon we take care of all the unwanted babies humans produced. Many are addicted to drugs, media manipulation and more. But you humans keep producing unwanted children. Cartoonish people get Loony Tunes and more.