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Marketing?
brand awareness, most likely n
Lots of people just want their Twitter back
Allowing Bluesky to fulfill their mission
Beyond that Bluesky don't seem to know what they want to be
Talk about decentralization but it's just talk
You expect people to be always "rational"
News flash : they are not
that 3rd image is gonna give me nightmares
Bluesky has done some incredible marketing and is a media darling. Googling Twitter alternatives gives you Mastodon and Bluesky all over the place. Nostr is by far an underdog sadly.
Celebrities. 2M views 
of course
Yeah their marketing is tight
Very safe, very corporate, no mention of censorship resistance
They know their target audience
they are dead inside
There's nothing to get
Once you understand that this is a simulation, it all makes sense
nope.
Many blueskyers used their X & Bluesky in tandem. While many influential nostr people went nostr only and couldn't inform the Brazilians about nostr when the timing was ideal.
For days now bluesky has been trending on X. Doing sign ups.
I think nostr could do well with some PR & marketing efforts by clients. That's what the users understand & resonate with.
You are right, even Lula promoted BlueSky and made many of his followers migrate.
Herd effect caused by leftists here in Brazil 🇧🇷
Mainstream tech channels don’t even mention nostr.
Example:
Another example: Bluesky hired one of the most famous JS developers who in this podcast says Jack Dorsey lost interest in Bluesky cause he’s “more focused in bitcoin things”.
Nostr hasn’t made it to the agenda yet.
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We have influential people on nostr?
Of course we have :)
All influential people aren't famous, all influential people are connected to people, often connected to more than the average of a 100 other users.
The fact that bluesky has a CEO is all you need to know.
Unfortunately, People don’t understand that media are created to support the controlling function over the population. Mkbhd will never mention nostr, Ever. - I hope at some point Mkbhd will prove me wrong. I would be happy to eat my words.
Well, Brasil population is 200mil so maybe they can afford ONE MILLION dumb people
There’s nothing “weird” about it.
Decentralisation comes with clear drawbacks in the marketplace. Nostr may be superior technically, in almost EVERY way, but there is no coordinated communications effort.
I posted about this two weeks ago, and half the responses were: “oh you’re too bearish on Nostr” or “look at all the cool tech we’re building”.
And that’s precisely my point. The focus has ALL been on the tech (and rightly so). But my entire argument was that the gaze needs to begin to shift towards communications & go to market. There’s no point building the coolest car if nobody knows about it.
Unfortunately, I don’t know if the @npub10pen...n34f people agree with this (they seem to be the only org funding collective initiatives). They just ignored the post despite tagging them.
Either OpenSats needs to fund some marketing efforts, or these efforts ultimately come down to the businesses building on Nostr. The best option would be BOTH.
I have some other ideas. I’ll DM you and see what you think.
In the meantime, GOLDEN opportunities like this are being completely missed or just not taken advantage of. Nostr should’ve grown by a million users this week, not fucking Blue Sky.
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Nostr is difficult, Nostr is for the hardcore.
Bluesky is for pussies who don't know they are going from the frying pan into the fire.
Nostr is getting easier over time.
Only Primal is easy.
I agree with you. How can we fund with sats advertising?
Shits not ready for mainstream. Still can't even post a picture or video from inside the apps. That's been a feature on every other social media app for 5-10 years
What I was thinking about it to send zaps to a fund that all it does is push advertising. That in turn brings more people to the protocol and we will get our investment from zaps tenfold. Or is this just not doable now. We already have shared zaps.
Too complex. Who’s gonna manage that, who decides where the money goes, how do you measure success, what’s the economic incentive for the individual contributors.
Stuff like that is always 1000x harder than it sounds
This is a good point. And maybe that’s a blessing of some sort
Who cares?! Truly. Just like folks getting bitcoin at the price they deserve, they’ll find nostr when they need to. All this talk about forced growth are counterproductive. Furthermore, if you want something to happen, make it happen. Things improve by change not chance. Too many folks with too many followers thinking that makes them relevant. We are all irrelevant.
Rabble said that nostr is not technically superior
That’s Portuguese. @bsky.app is excited to find a new social media relief valve. That would be my guess anyway.
To @Svetski ‘s point: perhaps Chris Dixon would have some answers. I can see all kinds of commerce happening with Nostr. I don’t know enough about coding to make that happen. Identity ownership makes it possible for almost every company to have a virtual presence here. Of course if you don’t want it to monetize then it will probably remain what it is right now. The convention of staying humble dictates I state that I could be completely wrong here and just talking out of turn. I’m a newb.
See, I’m not good at advertising
Not quite. He said it was a different approach, and for the purpose of decentralisation, and growing from the ground up, it’s certainly superior
Why? I’ve found snort, Damus, amethyst as much easy as
Award for the dumbest take. Thanks. Muted.
Why not write your ideas in public? I'm open to funding good ideas. But I guess DMs are also fine.
OPENSATS DOES NOT FUND MARKETING.
WE ARE FOCUSED ON SUPPORTING HUNDREDS OF OPEN SOURCE CONTRIBUTORS.
IF YOU THINK MORE MARKETING IS NEEDED THEN DO IT.
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IT MAKES SENSE ONCE YOU REALIZE ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE BULLSHIT.
NOSTR IS POPPING RIGHT NOW. IT IS ALREADY INCREDIBLY USEFUL.
BLINDERS ON. KEEP PUSHING FORWARD.
nostr is not competing with Bluesky or any other bullshit platform, some clients may want to but that's difficult to pull off without external funding or sustainable business models. This still needs to be figured out, most devs are still exploring what's possible here.
That said I can appreciate your competitive mentality and not sticking with the usual 'it's still early'.
To me it likes you have a lot of FOMO around external happenings.
Pull. Don’t push. Go with a long-time preference.
I just think the next step is clients marketing themselves, not nostr. Just saying nostr doesn't really inform anyone of where to go.
From the users point of view they are looking for a new client, not a protocol. Although in nostrs case each new client user is equally a new protocol user :)
Thanks too. Better make sure that mute list follows you to the next client.
I don't think this makes sense. Separate clients by themselves cannot offer a compelling alternative. Hiding the protocol from usets is a losing move. If a client tries to compete in the market as if it was a proprietary platform, and if any succeed it will be by capturing and breaking the network.
Bluesky was compelling enough for a Million Brazilians to sign up.
I wasn't thinking in terms of "hiding" the protocol. More in terms of: "Join Damus/Amethyst, it's a great alternative to twitter that can't get banned because we use the nostr protocol."
Whatever outreach / marketing, i think is more effective it it contains a direct pointer to a client. Because non techies don't want the extra complexity of going
1. nostr
2. *find a client among many
3. register on one of those clients
*there's research that says that to many options lead to indecision.
btw. I think nostr is strong enough in the long run. Things will sort themselves out. We got this @fiatjaf :)
No one is going to fund this, it's dumb.
It's easy, centralized things, with heavy moderation is what most ppl want.
Maybe people want content that interests them.
Nostr has grown incredibly in the last year. 🫡 Keep the good work
you're retarded
Perhaps every nostr user (with a broad impact) should have a second, third ... ego on other platforms, just be mirrored there. (Ditto ?). Radiance.
maybe you should try to stop pasting these malware links in your posts if you want to be taken seriously
Wowie this is like twitter if twitter was called Nostr
wtf are u talking about?
They’re just links to prior notes on primal.
Fund what?
And what’s “dumb” precisely?
Thanks for clarifying
I have been writing in bits and pieces. Although not many people are receptive. Also - still trying to wrap my head around the various ideas.
That said, the specific idea I was referring to in the note above was for some sort of Nostr “builder’s council” where various Nostr businesses come to together & pool some money to fund some co-marketing initiatives that they may not be able to afford on their own, but could do together.
I see. That could be bad, but could also be good. But what would be these marketing initiatives concretely? It might be easier to get support for specific plans limited in scope than for a generic lifelong organization.
Deciding on them is the hard part. That’s why I’m thinking of it as “builders” and as a council.
Builders actually have skin in the game. They’re invested in the success of both their business and the protocol.
And a ‘council’ is the best name I can come up with for an informal, unofficial kind of group of these businesses who try to workshop some of these ideas
Maybe the CEO of Bitcoin and the CEO of Nostr can collab on some joint marketing
BlueSky is a "thing", it's a phenomenon people know
What is #Nostr? That thing those bitcoiners are doing there
Marketers call it selective attention and perception
Most things are hazy. Somethings stand out
#grownostr #plebchain
Then we users will promote #Nostr more strongly without falling into spam.
BlueSky vs Nostr is the stuff of a hugely popular Harvard Business School Case Study
It's not hard to understand @jb55. People don't pay attention to everything. They have selective attention and perception
#grownostr #plebchain
Quienes son esos ? 😅😂
Brand recognition, celebrities are on it.
They have the infrastructure to handle it. And a bit of luck.
I'm afraid you may be right about that.
Not sure I would say that. Nostr has become fairly centralized. What I think bluesky was able to do, that opensats wasnt, is invest in infrastructure, so that they had capacity for a million new users in 3 days. We all know nostr relays dont have that capacity or scalability. Also I think they had quite a bit of luck there. However, I am optimistic that #ditto has some great growth potential for nostr.
Nostr isn't superior in every way.
Centralization has technical advantages. It makes meaningful search easier. It makes discovery easier.
I think it's important to recognize and be honest about the inherent limits of Nostr.
What I hope will happen is that more people will use Nostr, alongside with centralized (or federated, like Mastodon) platform with express free speech policies.
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Well put
exactly
Thank you.
There is Minds, which used to support Nostr and it no longer does (if not to an extent so minimal it might just as well not), but it does have permissive policies.
It doesn't have the benefit of censorship resistance, but it does have some technical advantages and I think it's reasonable to guide people towards both, making sure to point out the differences.
As for Nostr, it'd be nice to have relays with express free speech policies in different countries (so that they won't all be influenced by one government).
Muted. Clown
I can still read @the axiom. How does this muting work?
mute works for the what the individual user see’s. Their notes still exist as normal beyond that.
Unfortunately there’s no block button. But mute just removes them and their replies from your feed. So they can talk shit all they want - and u can just ignore their noise
Bluesky is very well known. Nostr is not except to bitcoiners.
For why a bunch of people are joining #Bluesky rather than #Nostr platforms?? IMO it’s bc u can “delete” notes & “block” people on bsky. Honestly, I predicted this.
When the VC money dries up, its gone. *poof*
Wait until the financial crisis comes in, everyone wanna nostr cuz lightning. Also remember this thing called, MySpace? :D hehehe
I agree with you. I'm not in a position to fund any grand projects, but I'm meeting with a potential partner to discuss starting a media effort to draw business owners to #nostr with examples of how to work it into their business plans.
Not understanding? Bluesky code is all Open Source and available for anyone to run and build upon. Mastodon has a nonprofit and has a Owner but anyone can spin up a Mastodon instance and fork the software
So as a 'influencer' if either get pressured or shut down then people just build another social account on the new platform? Everyone will migrate with no loss of followers right? Right?
You can do that on amethyst right now. Not sure about other clients.
One of the problems with marketing and nostr as I see is that to market you need to highlight features.
Features to the end user shouldn't be based on protocol, censorship resistance (OK maybe this is important for the edge users), relay function, social apps beyond social media etc.
Just on social media, the end user cares about how they have a mobile and desktop app, whether their friends are on it, whether they can downvote to see less of the topic, deleting posts, finding friends, bookmarking, new content etc. I know some of these features exist in some clients. But there isn't consistency (nor do you really want it as that's the feature on nostr). But you its hard to market to an end user as I see without a consistent set of features amongst clients (ie if you download damus you can do x but on iris you can't).
Beyond that, as we know nostr is much more than social media. So marketing could get easier for nostr as the ecosystem of apps grows. Ie it is essentially a decentralised single sign on for many apps. Personally i think an 'app store' which is a directory of PWA's could help discovery of the ecosystem and give people a familiar interface for entering the ecosysten. Think https://appsco.pe/ for nostr.
I'm.happy to work with someone on this idea and fund it.
Exactly my point lol
What you said at the end makes a lot of sense. There’s other benefits of Nostr (way more important than just features) which we can build narratives on.
And that’s really what I’m calling attention to.
The way we’re talking about Nostr right now, might not be the right angle. Of course, it will evolve and we’ll find a better way - but only if someone starts that conversation.
That’s my whole point.
Love it.
Keep me posted when you’ve got something more formed up and I’ll see if I can help
Thanks, will do!
Nostr is just very early still. A lot more development is required. It will hit a tipping point quicker than most social networks though, due to the fact we can build as many different type of apps on Nostr as we wish and they're all interoperable
I don’t like the bluesky app very much honestly
No need to when their data is store in a PDS and their identity is decentralised as Bluesky’s protocols used DIDs
Interesting. I will read the docs again. I read it last year and maybe I misunderstood. It was part of my decision to nostr.
Either way I'm grateful for options that have hope rather than centralised platforms. Whateverthosse platforms may be and whoever is on them.