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family values
Word! Can always start with a pet. Same idea.
I fell in that trap until 40yo and until bitcoin. Then I got back on track - got married, had children, stacked sats and ate meat again. I was so hooked by the cultural narative that I was even a vegan. Now I'm also an Orthodox Christian - no words for how everything makes sense now, even the afterlife. So at peace
We were all scared :) You'll be just fine
This guy is good!
Yup
You said it HODL 🤘🫡
It is amazing. It is also tough.
Too sad, too true.
Going childless by choice is evolutionary suicide.
Whoever persuaded you to make that choice is your nemesis and you don’t even know it.
Mi plan es tener un hijo para el 2026 🫡
Number 1)
This is a quote from you:
"Your life will be more vast, more meaningful, more fulfilling, and more joyful with a family."
Joyful is pretty darn close to happy. But we can nit-pik semantics if you'd like, I'll say that the general gist of my interpretation of what you said is accurate.
Number 2)
Ok, I'll grant you that this puts your first marriage divorce chances at 35%. Hopefully you can also grant me that many people stay in unhappy marriages. Perhaps that gets us closer to the 50% rate I stated.
Number 3)
Those same places probably have studies saying the covid vaccine is safe and effective. I assume you don't care when people quote the experts on things you don't agree with?
Number 4)
Marriage is a societal construct (and a man-made legal contract). It is a fools errand to parse society from marriage or marriage from society. These two things have some type of relationship that point back and forth at each other.
#HODL4Pres
You are created to have children, in order to live to your full potential. Dog moms just don’t get the same experience…
"Trying to find your purpose in art, travel, or endless self-optimization is Malthusian psych warfare. Population control by spiritual demoralization."
Elaborate. I'm an artist, with a family who travels. Don't really agree with this statement. Want to know what you mean by it.
I think it means that the creation of art should be a result of being inspired by life, and not responsible for providing inspiration itself. I'm an artist too...
life imitates art. art imitates life.
"Can't draw from life if you don't have one." — Art Babbitt, animator
It’s the essence of uncertainty and that’s okay; the process will deepen one’s experience of life for good and for ill, and that’s okay; having a family enriches life while it also prepares one for death, and that’s okay.
After almost 2 years of studying the Orthodox faith, my family and I started attending a local parish recently. I haven’t been catechized yet but I already feel like everything makes so much sense now. Glory to God
damn, that hits hard.
It is what it is. You do you and I do me.
preach it
I’m saying that these things aren’t bad in themselves, but when they become the substitute for family, faith, sacrifice, legacy, etc… they become part of a demoralization campaign. One that convinces the masses to find meaning in things that never generate children, commitment, or institutions.
That’s why I said Malthusian psych warfare because it aligns perfectly with the goals of those who want fewer people, weaker families, and easier-to-control populations.
It’s sterilizing on a spiritual and often literal level.
So you're saying that anyone who doesn't want children was convinced not to have children by someone else and didn't decide for themselves?
At least they introduced some nuance to your one sided take.
Not everyone but in general we have a culture that is very negative towards the family and parenthood. This is the dogma that surrounds these choices for most people.
if you’re Asian, you’re bombarded with wen are you getting a girlfriend followed by marriage, followed by kids, followed by more kids - no matter our diaspora 😂
So Are you talking about “America families” today?
Yeah I’m talking about westerners
It was designed to enslave us...to make us focus superficially on ourselves without a spiritual or deeply emotional connection to those around us.
An individual can be broken, subjugated, or marginalized easily. A strong strong family gives emotional and spiritual PURPOSE and genuine FULFILLMENT to each individual within that family. Stability and self reliance of a family begets STRENGTH and CONFIDENCE, which is the bedrock for PERSEVERANCE.
These are not the traits of slaves...
A lot of people don't allow themselves to let this unfold naturally & force the issue.
You can have kids later than the marketing would allow you to believe.
Stacking Sats is building for the next gen, regardless of their your kin or not.
We are all one.
Life is satisfying when you devote it to something larger than yourself.
It doesn't have to be children.
Preoccupation with yourself is inherently dissatisfactory.
For men yeah.
For both genders the marketing doesn't tell the whole story.
They're giving you statistics of unhealthy people as well.
Sure you can definitely have healthy pregnancies post 40 but the optimal window is correctly described by mainstream medicine.
Most people “pursuing their passion” are unaware that they are just trying to heal their developmental trauma.
Modern medicine doesn't provide you with the full picture nor tailored results based on your measurables.
These things are going to get dialed in better which will tease the pressure & guessing a bit more out of the equation.
Younger people have healthier pregnancies though, that’s a biological reality
Ding ding ding
Marriage is a construct created by God. Meant emulate Christ and his Church. These are its roots. It’s not a tax break. This is what
@HODL is getting at, I believe. That marriage construct is still being fulfilled by sinful and broken people, but if you’ll die to yourself, realize life is more than just about you, if you get out of your own way, there’s real life to be had. You’ll obtain that for yourself, your spouse, and you’ll demonstrate and teach it to your offspring. There’s nothing like it. Bitcoin makes this perspective so much easier to wrestle with when Dad works 1 job, mom stays home and raises the kids, and there’s time at the end of the day to enjoy one another and the community.
Well done, HODL. I see Jesus in your words. I don’t know you, but I know you know Him. Keep up the good fight, brother.
That being said — a lot of people avoid parenthood because they know they’re just gonna fuck up their kids.
A lot of parents suck at parenting.
Take their shit out on their kids.
BUT — once you heal —- there is nothing more beautiful and magical and fulfilling than loving and raising kids with a wonderful woman.
No words can describe it.
Healthier people have healthier pregnancies*
There's so much nuance here.
Agree. Even stacking without purpose is a donation to those that stack with purpose.
We are all one. 🫡
100% agreed. This is my truth too.
We need children because society dies without them
Well said
Actually there’s a clear correlation between generational high achievers and childlessness. Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Tesla, Rand, Beethoven… You know that ‘Gult’s Gulch’ that was trending on Nostr a while ago? Written by a middle aged Russian woman that didn’t have kids.
Having children is the ultimate proof-of-work
Beautifully said.
It resonates with my experience as a father.
I think people need to start thinking in generations again. Where is the sense in building anything when you don't have somebody who can inherit it
Broken money. Broken spirit. Broken people.
Career oriented because it costs that much more to live a life. Yeah, I see it in my field. Not many have families. Not really because they don’t want. They cant. So they focus on what they can have, a career. Long enough in the space, they grow resentful. Push others into their camp.
But, even with good money, the issue is still the same. Many don’t understand the role of art (music, film, books, paintings, etc.) in society. They don’t understand its value. People have a hard time buying from or supporting artists. Especially in a world of “free.” Zaps are a start.
Politics is downstream from culture. Culture is just the collective behavior of a people. Artists reflect the culture. The mirror of society. Whoever funds them, dictates the narrative. Gives us a fun house mirror instead of an honest one.
I get your point, though.
I’m pro art obviously. I’m a creative myself, this isn’t to say that art is not meaningful.
I know. I get you. Just elaborating on the topic. It was interesting.
I’m not sure there is a clear correlation, Einstein, Aristotle, Descartes, Shakespeare, Napoleon, Galileo, Jung, Socrates, Wagner, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Jobs, Picasso, Tolkien, Darwin, Planck, Bach, Marcus Aurelius all had children.
Purpose in Service 🙏 First days on Nostr-related social media/Primal and already enjoying the whole content and message much more than Twitter.
I think it's worth staying on Nostr just because of this message. I agree 100% — coming from a father of five.
Your pool is 10-20 times bigger. If people couldn’t find meaning or direction or happiness or freedom from the system without kids none of my list would exist (forgot Newton, Hume, Woolfe, Kant, Dickinson…)
@HODL The best part is that I'm waiting for the sixth.
Congrats. Such a blessing.
Being a father reminds you amongst the noise and terrible things there are things to be appreciative of. The world is full of special gifts too. It gives you purpose and someone to fight for. Besides there needs to be little ones who think for themselves and naturally rebel and fight for their freedom for those asleep and carry the torch so to speak!
Yeah but it isn’t correlative is my point. Also most geniuses who didn’t have children weren’t rejecting family so much as shaped by intense neurodivergence (autism etc…) or single minded focus. Their paths weren’t the result of some alternative lifestyle design, they were often anomalies compelled by outsized obsession and focus. Or they were just gay at a time when that wasn’t socially acceptable like Michelangelo for instance.
That's comforting to know.
Amongst the more crazy femnistis they're talking about how woman that don't get children live longer, are healthier and probably "happier".
You probably can be very happy without having children. But you gotta find something that you love, recognize it and start focusing on it.
Having children might be one of the best ways to love in life - but, there are many ways.
Also:
Being a high achiever doesn't mean that you had a feeling of fullfillment in your life.
That’s true. If we want to talk about happiness statistics though the evidence is even more onesided
Many good reasons to stay on Nostr imo.
It is correlative. If my list is comparative to yours but my pool is 20 times smaller, there’s a correlation. Neurodivergence or anything else doesn’t change that fact.
That one hit me hard. Its exactly how I feel. Also the reason I am so passionate about my bitfamily project.
View quoted note →Bought a book (£2 for a charity shop) by Rev. Malthus, it’s a bit weird.
Controlling for neurodivergence and homosexuality negates the correlation
Lol ok. Because in your world people who are neurodivergent or homosexuals don’t count? These are the values you’re instilling in young people?
lol I’m not going to respond to your hysterical bad faith interpretation of what I said buddy boy
That bot is back. Avoid. Why waste your time? Be smarter.
Muted that thing long ago. I mute a lot. I’m usually right.
Because you have nothing left to say
I’m gonna mute you now permanently unless you’d like to backtrack the above statement
If you muted me how do you know I commented?
Sometimes I can’t help myself
Family = infinite growth = happiness 😍😻💐
Don’t stop harping on having children. If we are doing that, then what is the point of everything else?
Don’t be so damn selfish to think the world is going to end with you. You may have some hopeless apocalyptic vision of the future, but that vision is a whole lot more hopeless without the promise of the next generation(s).
View quoted note →Ray Dalio Principle: Embrace Reality and Deal with It
Reality: Humans are biologically interdependent. Not having family, friends, or a community, is akin to being physically obese. It's unhealthy, particularly for your soul.
I can't wait to have 4+ kids. I want them all.
View quoted note →Bruh having kids is actually goated just gotta find the right baddie with the large hips and then you go full late 90’s Metallica on her baddussy
I became a father this week. Everything I've ever accomplished until now is meaningless in comparison.
Have a family and grow your legacy.
We were designed to do so.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I respect your journey and the meaning you've found in family. While we may see things differently, I believe everyone’s path to purpose is personal. What matters most is living with intention, responsibility, and love, however that looks for each of us.
being alone is equivalent to smoking.
That's why they don't want you to have children, so they can be the "something larger than yourself."
There is only family and creativity.
Whose they?
Nothing is more countercultural right now than being a man who builds. Builds a home. A tribe. A future.
This note by
@HODL? It’s a war cry. Because they’re not just after your freedom…they’re after your seed…
View quoted note →I’m sorry I didn’t.
It can't be children, I have six of them but they are all smaller than myself.
But what about having children earlier vs. later in life. Seems that later in life makes people Happy. Earlier doesn't.
While this is true for most people, but I don't think it should be forced. I know people who were somewhat socially pressured into having a family, they failed to adapt to life as a family unit. All they did was bring much misery and trauma to he's family. It did not end well.
Your life can have purpose without children tho.
Without a doubt. I’m a kid maxi, but I agree that there are more ways to build generations than just reproduction.
Even Paul spoke about it being better that he remain how we was -single and without kids. I’m no fool. Jesus and His Kingdom here on Earth is the goal and the prize, and whatever it take to see those two things is the way -kids or not, wife or not, sats or not.
While you are correct, and you might feel more fulfilled having a family, the attacks are as intense by the same people to keep your family apart, controlled and demoralized. Always to consume, because that's the next thing it will make you happy, and only if you have 'that thing', will you be fulfilled. Keeping the kids in check and family on a course is also a fight, but it is worth it.
I have freedom.
You're "better" than me.
in short, life is more fulfilling when you sacrifice for others and love others and stop focusing just on yourself.
Spend 10 minutes on this:
Watch Terence Malick’s Tree of Life.
Made me want to be a better husband and father. Hardly anything really matters in the end. Your family does.
Shout out
@BitsteinI love tree of life
❤️ Blew my mind. Displaced Good Will Hunting as my favorite movie.
“I wanted to be loved because I was great, a big man. Now I’m nothing. Look — the glory around us, trees, birds… I dishonored it all and didn’t notice the glory.”
Kids give you purpose. Bitcoin gives you hope.
YEAH, I HEAR YOU. THE WHOLE "FIND YOURSELF" THING IS PUSHED SO HARD, BUT MAYBE IT'S JUST A WAY TO KEEP US BUSY AND ALONE.
THE PERSON IS BASICALLY SAYING THAT WHAT WE THINK IS FREEDOM IS ACTUALLY JUST A TRAP. WE'RE TOLD TO CHASE OUR OWN THING, BUT THAT'S WHAT KEEPS US ISOLATED AND EASY TO CONTROL. THE REAL DEAL, THE REAL PURPOSE AND HAPPINESS, COMES FROM BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR A FAMILY.
IT'S A BIG IDEA, AND IT GOES AGAINST WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE TODAY.
FAMILY IS EVERYTHING 📢
LOVE MY FAMILY LOVE MY LIFE 👊🏼
Found out she is pregnant yesterday - here we go!
Congratulations brother!
Woohoo. Congrats! You’ll do great.
Thanks, boys!
Thank you, brother!
Amen! And most of the great art out there is just people independently coming to this same conclusion.
