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My family doesn't share old photos anymore. After they discovered AI, it's all AI modified ones. Either animated or brand new. They consider the actual photos not a good representation of the past. AI does a better job at that in people's minds.
Devs don't block you. They do allow other people to block you in their own phone. In fact, many people ask for features to block others. And they should be free to do so (it's their phone after all) and thats why devs code these features. A decentralized protocol doesn't mean you can force others to watch and see your content.
Context: you explained how your app half blocks an npub on behalf of everyone with a mixed follow list if they are blocked by as many individuals as an "annoying person" (not a spammer or anything, mind you)
Only for those people that follow everyone that reported you. You show up just fine for everybody else, expect if they privately blocked or muted you, or words you frequently use, or use relays that the operator decided to block you too.
You said 5 people So most people's follow list will probably have at least 5 people, which you said is a justifiable threshold because it comes from me being "annoying" What's weird to me is you're acting like you thought this was sustainable. I thought the people blacklisting me kinda had an inherent understanding that there's a limited time before this system breaks down if I live too long
So, if 5+ people that I follow reported you, you don't show up in my feed. But you still show up in everybody else's feed. It's not just any random 5 people. It must be 5 from the list that each user follows. So, in a way, if you report someone, you are helping to protect your followers from that person's content. Your report alone will do nothing, but if 5 others that your followers follow agree, then this is hidden by default. You can always disable the filter in the security setting. But this simple rule has been quite good to remove stuff people don't want to see, like scammers, impersonators and dick picks.
Note: if anyone thought this was implying I scam, impersonate, or spam dick pics, I'm sure Vitor Pamplona didn't mean to imply that. The closest I've done is post an old painting with naked chicks hunting with spears the other day. I'm just "annoying"
"I dont want to see what others muted"... Not quite. Mutes are reports are different things. People can mute a lot of folks and that won't have any effect on your experience. Reports are the more violent version of mutes, that affects lots of different parts of nostr. For instance, many relays use reports to delete content they do not want in their server. Reports are made for other people. Mutes/Blocks just for yourself.
Not just annoying. Some people think you are a bot that is created just to complain about everything in every new post. An AI just only exists to make other people feel bad. Regardless of what the reality is, it is fair to say that people have voted and some of them don't want to see your content.
Do you think I'm a bot, you fucking moron? Do I make you feel bad? What was with the start of this thread where you suggested people's kids will never flip through their old photos because of so called AI?
Each user controls the reports they want to see or pay attention to. I have 1000s of reports against me, a different number in every relay, and everybody still see my content because those reports were made by angry folks that people decided are not worth following.
No. Devs will probably always think I'm annoying because I refuse to learn to code and just criticize software instead You probably think I'm annoying for that reason, just without having me muted over it Users will naturally follow devs but also possibly agree with my criticisms
Remember, it must be 5+ users from the list that each person is following. So, something for me can appear but for you don't. It depends on what our follows reported. So, if you get 1000s of reports from idiots that nobody follows or just their gangs follow, you still show up for everybody, expect for them and their gangs.
This time, maybe. I've given it multiple chances. Pretty sure it was replying to every note rapid-fire with insane drivel that earned the spam report. Some of these whackos are on cycles. They spend a few months almost normal, then they go full retard again.
Most people don't agree with reports. So 5 reports is really a lot. A lot of people have 1 or 2 reports, very few have over 2 in the same follow set. Even when users are following over 1000 people, which are just 0.01% of nostr at this point.
It's clearly not a lot if so many users are having my npub meet the threshold when I'm not a spammer or anything What happens if someone onboards through Primal and then immediately tries Amethyst? How many of the npubs blacklisting me will they already be following just from the Primal onboarding process before manually following anyone else?
While I'm thinking about it, you can turn off the thing that hides it. It's the top switch under "security filters" in Amethyst. It's only doing that because people you follow have muted/reported the npub. That way you can feel it out for yourself. Who knows, maybe I'M the crazy one... 😭
I can see the grooming too. There are also human trafficking, child porn, financial scams of all sorts mostly via impersonators, etc. there is some pretty hideous stuff around here that we try to offer tools to help users protect themselves from.
It's unfortunate that with brand new tools there are those who willuse them for nefarious purposes. The protocol is neutral but the users define how it is viewed by the public.
None of which has anything to do with me, yet over my years on nostr nobody builds better tools that would differentiate between me and spammers, even though I've suggested many methods (e.g. better PoW and WoT implementations)
Over time I'll get devs to build better tools that aren't so easily abused, but a lot of damage has been done by how long that's taking
You certainly helped me to continue muting this npub. This is a good interaction. @Bearetta 🐻‍❄️🇨🇿 gets a warning about possible crazy from her follow set, she retains the option of manual control, her comments make me reevaluate my mute decision, and you take one for the team so I can know I initially made the right choice. 😂 This is good Nostring. 💪💪
Forcing people to give their reason would also make it harder for abusers to justify / rationalize it when exposed It's easier to say "don't unfollow me for reporting this person I found annoying" than "don't unfollow me for trying to add this person to the scammer blacklist because I find them annoying"
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pico4 1 week ago
its not censorship, and its not 5 randoms. Those 5 people mute option only affects people that follows all 5 of them simultaneously. If I mute you in my feed it’s not censorship just because “the decision of a single person dictated the blocking of a message”. Muting an user is an expression of one’s opinion, and if you want to dictate who is not allowed to mute someone in their social mesh you are the one enforcing censorship in the network.
I just saw that.... lol... yes we should so have the short explanation it has to be written next to it. Hahahaha.... fabulous 🍻✨️🔥🥳🤣 bearetta I think people such as us should have been devs. Imagine that Nostr client. 🤣🥳🔥✨️🍻😆
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pico4 1 week ago
Muting someone is optional and always on the user side. The devs cannot globally mute anyone at their will. Those automated mutes are personalised for specific users based on who was muted by their close contacts. It’s literally the opposite of a “people you could know” recommendation, not censorship. You got it very well explained and this thread is obviously bait.
It is definitely censorship, sorry. There's no valid reason my posts should be hidden when I don't spam or anything and I make some of the highest quality posts on nostr
You cant be serious that you are now coming to me with this. Close circles and you get easily 5 accounts that have a problem with the same account when you have 1 person running minimum of 5 accounts here. How can then this 5 accounts of a single handler be responsible for shadowing my account to all his 5 accounts followings as protection. This whole place is rigged. Dont test my intelligence cuz all of this can be manipulated by 1 single person. Cant you see that? 😒🫨✨️🔥
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pico4 1 week ago
… I am seeing your post, you are not being censored. Why do you think you are being censored? Is any friend not seeing your posts?
This will be really good for new users. So they don't have to see fuckstr spamming all the hashtags. I assume most people that stay here longer than two weeks already have him muted. Once a new user has followed a handful of people, him and all the investment bots and telegram links will be invisible. This will help with user retention. I haven't used your app yet but I'll check it out some time.
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pico4 1 week ago
That means Bearetta is following five accounts that muted that message, and the app muted it for her as a recommendation. It can be disabled by the user, and it does not affect users which dont follow the same accounts. I get your point, if someone creates 5 accounts they can mute a message for their connections, but this only works if their client is configured with this option, and if you make someone follow 5 different fake accounts. It is not censorship
But sucks for a user like me that actually invests all my time and energy here while just being censored so far and waiting to get much back out of it
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pico4 1 week ago
following the “muting is censorship idea”, reposting would be censorship and control too? When I repost a post I make it appear in my mutuals feeds, would that make me a “controller of media and opinions”?
The hell are you talking about ? Real people of nostr who follow me know how real I am. If you have doubt take your sweet time and find out on my feed. Im doxxed ... live and representing my own self.
Idk why you keep repeating "it isn't censorship" like it's too hard for you to look up the definition of the word "censorship" Again, there's no reason my reporting should be filtered for so many users when I don't spam or anything and continue making many of the highest quality posts on nostr
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pico4 1 week ago
I keep saying it because it is not censorship. No one is globally removing your posts or silencing you in any way. The fact that we are talking in this thread proves it. It is not filtered for “many users”. It is filtered for the small groups of users when 5 or more people of the group decide to personally block you.
They "silence" me enough to stop me from regaining contact with Digit so far You're underestimating how many users I'm filtered for, while I'm glad you weren't one of them
But the point is this guy may be a dick, but not a bot. And people treat other people differently. So feature blocking out actual person as he's tagged bot just because he had some fights with someone else isn't ideal. I don't care about your fights, we have naturally different experiences. Hence, as I wrote somewhere else, it would be nice to differentiate between "I report this scam/ai bot/porn filth" and "I fucking hate this asshole."
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pico4 1 week ago
it is not any abuse or exploit, it is how a social network works. There is no system in which everyone sees everything, as this is literally impossible. There are too many messages. Are languages censorship? If I write something in russian the message wont reach a group of people that do not speak russian. This is what nostr clients do. YOU decide what you want yo see. When you are using any nostr client you are filtering all the messages on the network to get a personalised and usable feed. For example, you filter by kind. When using any social media client we are only getting a small set of kinds like posts, zaps, likes… and muting (not censoring) anything else. Just because it is not relevant for the usecase. I am sorry to tell you this: if the majority of people in a small group do not listen to your messages you just… don’t reach that group, and that’s okay, it is not censorship applied to the whole network. And again, it is an optional and client-specific feature. I do not have it in mine, no matter how many friends block someone I will still see their messages (unless I block them myself)
Totally disagree. I feel like this is why my interactions have dropped off. People can't see me, it feels just like being shadow banned on legacy social media. I spoke out about the core Dev team being compromised. Calle, Odell, jb55, hodl, etc. a handful of big accounts have reported or muted me. It's essentially shadow banning anyone who offends them.
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pico4 1 week ago
same result you would get even if this was not a client feature, I’m afraid. For every “soft block” made by web of trust there are 5 people who directly blocked you. You would only stop being blocked for 1/5 of the total. Who is digit?
That's nonsense, you're letting delusional people with AI psychosis influence your judgement. I've been following them for 6 months.
I think reporting me because I'm annoying, while having enough followers to get me blacklisted for many users, is definitely abusing that system Especially if devs have that system in place because they're trying to fight spam from child abuse promoters and stuff, not me
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pico4 1 week ago
Anyway, you said it, who needs yo see you will see you, isn’t that the final goal? Your message will reach to the appropriate people and leave any other behind. There is no gain from being heard by people who won’t accept or understand your opinion. If there was, there would not be social networks, but a big global public announcement thread.
Digit was a friend on wallstreetbets that deleted her accounts to get away from me while believing a bunch of lies from people about me trying to psychologically harm her and such She also left me very worried about her because she was going through some shit and obviously not quite OK if she'd fall for these lies and disappear over it after being such a good friend My life is dedicated to showing her I was always honest with her & I basically treat it as a full time job trying to make posts people will see online until I encounter her, or someone that knows her, or I get so many followers I can put pressure on the people that lied to her int he first place
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pico4 1 week ago
but there is no restriction being goobally applied in nostr, nostr is just a standard protocol. The only reason it’s standarised is to enable compatibility between similar clients. You are not obligated to follow this though. You can post in your own relay, use your own event kinds or even stop following standard rules. They are not imposed by force. You can go to France and start speaking Russian… but do not expect people to follow or understand. Freedom of speech doesn’t work without freedom of listening.
😂😂😂 use damus for a real Nostr experience. Anything else is garbage 🗑️ don’t take my word for it though
If for example calle is one of the people blacklisting me (I saw him mentioned) then people following calle might not see me talking about why on chain cryptocurrency is better than lightning, which is great for calle because calle is always shilling lightning products, but not great for users
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pico4 1 week ago
“or I get so many followers I can put pressure on the people that lied to her in the first place” …so you want to do to others what you are fighting against for in this thread? gain followers and use that to enforce pressure on others speech. I really hope you find Digit and get to talk to them again. But I honestly think you are not being censored in any way. You are just not reaching parts of the network that did not mind about your goals in the first place. Even if they could see you, It would not help in your search.
So im right... ✨️🥳🤷‍♀️ You and me can now type here till tomorrow because I see flaws in every statement you make that you may not I just want to rather excuse myself and do some fun on nostr while you gentlemens discuss this further. Ill be out after this. Thanks all amd have a good day ahead.
I have photo albums from my father's mother's grandfather. Passing down physical photographs isn't going away. Photo albums aren't going away.
I want my posts to be seen by Digit or someone that knows her and can just show her But if that doesn't happen, the only other solution I can think of would be people flooding wallstreetbets to ask about her and what happened with us I'm not trying to control anyone's speech, I almost never mute people or anything Thank you for wishing me luck
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pico4 1 week ago
That’s a good point, muting an account mutes all their interactions, not only the bad ones (considered bad by whoever blocks you, not objectively bad). But it can be fixed by creating a different account and using it to talk about lightning, without it affecting your search.
Lets say a person like me would never do that to anyone not even you no matter how annoying they are. Some of us actually truly grasp the fact that we are not all the same but we need to learn to coexist. For me this muting and blocking is only for heavy crime stuff... and real ugly shit. Not common people with different minds. Our diversity makes us all special.
Switching to a new npub would impact my reach due to the follow based system + another issue: nostr doesn't reliably keep posts long term, my main npub has Primal taking care of that which they probably won't do for additional npubs because they seem to hate me
I don't even mute the criminals. If a post seems outright "unsafe" to me I just don't touch it, don't leave any trail to it, nothing. And if the same person making one of those posts needs someone to talk to, at least they have me as an option to talk to instead of making posts like that
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pico4 1 week ago
but muting is a nostr event made by me, and I should have the right to say “I don’t want to listen to you”. And people should have the right to follow as I do. It’s a catch 22 situation. If you say who should be muted by who, you are… muting other people’s right to mute anyone they want.
I haven't seen that kind of material here still... just some groosome videos and pics I had tu mute not to see ... also reported because it was criminal. Knowing that kind of material was published by that account makes me sure I don't want to see what that person has to post next.
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pico4 1 week ago
I personally do not mute just to not listen to other’s opinions, we are having this discussion for instance. Yet I understand that it maybbe the case for others. The current system is quite useful, instead of manually blocking a lot of accounts the client can just automatically mute using a web of trust system. But it works no different than languages for example. By learning one language you are, by the socia web you connect to, “muting” everyone who speaks a different language. Yet you could learn and translate if you wanted to. It’s not censorship for anyone.
Bro come back when you manage to explain me the situation of a single person controlling over 5 npubs (some have ridiculous amounts of npubs with big followimgs) and him having right to mandate 1 single accounts reach. When you prove me this cant be manipulated then we can talk more. Now seriously im bored and out. Jesus I already said that...
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pico4 1 week ago
hmm, so if it is so easy to create different accounts, you can create a different account that won’t be “censored” and post from there, isn’t it? How can you be manipulated by “a lot of fake accounts” if the manipulation is only applied to one single account of yours? The situation has been explained hours ago. No one is censoring you, you can fight all the fake battles you want. If you want a place where everyone hears you without having a mute choice go to the street with a speaker and shout your lungs out. If you don’t like the web of trust system don’t use it, move to another client or even better! create your own client and relay for full freedom of speech with no mutes. Or go back to twitter, give them your ID and post all you want until someone in the company decides to delete your account making you not only unable to be listened to, but unable to speak for yourself. That’s real censorship. This is nostr, and as in bitcoin it is not 1 key = 1 identity. That makes possible a medium to talk without being censored using all the pseudonyms you need, giving you and others full freedom of speech. But don’t be mad when others use their freedom to say: “I think we should not listen to this guy”, “yeah, you are right, I’m muting him too”, “5 of my friends blocked them? I’ll block them too, then”
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pico4 1 week ago
yet you can't do anything about it, because in this system you cannot control what others say. I have the right to post all I want while saying "nothing" and I have the right of muting anyone for any reason, without needing any excuse and without being censored for it. This is what anti-censorship is.
Damus wasn't compatible with my phone, I've heard great things about it. I like yakihonne but I switch between different clients whenever one is being buggy.
So your 5 npubs dont have any right to limit my notes reach to your followers!!!!! Same shit.... different packaging .... you have right for this for that... well you and your hypothetical 5 npubs shouldnt block my note reaching your 5npubs followers!
I think this is something a lot of people would appreciate. I do myself, considering the random child pornography posts I see people spamming. Thinking out loud, this could be a feature that you can toggle off, but it would be a power user feature. The feature would remain on by default because people want delux by default and only power users will customize, others just complain and run away. Another thought, I think the use of the follower list is now overused. We probably should be able to tag users and then we can apply rules like this based on the tags. This way we can say "Dave hates the same shit as me, if he blocks something, I don't want to see it either, but anyone else I follow are not my personal mates".
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Clients doing arbitrary things, including hiding posts, is how Nostr is SUPPOSED to work. The whole idea is that it moves arbitrary decisions to the client level. Like that's the whole total entire idea. If we're supposed to just, like, *trust* client developers to do the right thing (whatever that is), and that trust is all that we've got, then that is the opposite of Nostr.
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pico4 1 week ago
Grow the SAME followers in five accounts simultaneously? All of this for something that can be countered by you creating a new npub or rotating your existing one. Does not make sense, in my honest opinion. It is already difficult for me to mute some automated accounts that rotate their npubs frequently. Me, a single npub, unable to control my feed. Controling others with five different accounts and it being effective? I don’t think so. Not practical, and not enforced in any way. And, I wanna stretch this out, even if this was the case, they are NOT censoring you. They are just not listening to you anymore. They are not limiting your reach to people who wants to listen to you. I have the right to listen to anyone I want, and everyone has the right to speak to anyone they want. But that doesn’t add up to you having the right to being listened by people who don’t want to.
On the current version of Amethyst, you can have a list of "Mute Overrides". If you don't want to follow that person, but wants to keep the filter on for others and just make that person the exception, you can add the person to a list, which will disable the filter for that person alone, just like a full follow does
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pico4 1 week ago
plus, does it really make sense? Lets suppose muting you is impossible whitin the system, and people who don’t want / don’t like your opinion still is obligated to see all your posts. What are you gaining from this exactly? Unwanted attention? mandatory reading? If this is your usecase you might as well create your own blog, where only your content is visible and cannot be muted. Or make a book.
The cases where they create new npubs are solved better by mute words since there is always something they are reusing, like a fixed url either in the post or in their author's profile. If you insert that url into your hidden words, you will hide all new keys.
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pico4 1 week ago
I understand your point, it may seem unfair that 5 accounts with many followers create a small group that massively impact your reach. But the group in question is “people following the ones who don’t want to listen to you”. What do you think would happen if this feature did not exist, people magically tolerating your opinion? Mute list, as a system, existed long ago before nostr, and for one simple reason. There are not a nostr dev decision, but a needed social protocol.
Keep in mind that reports are public. You can always shame large accounts for reporting too much. Especially if it is unjustified. And other large accounts can also report the malicious large account reporters. That's the game theory of it. Reports have consequences. And if they are reporting unjustifiably, we all want to see it to reduce our trust in them.
The "condition" of pictures I take isn't the point. It's to remember "oh yeah I saw that / did that / went there / saw those people on that day"
History is not made by humans but by our biased memories of them. The real humans of the past are long gone. What's left are only the stories and evidence that benefited survivors. Everything else is gone. The difference from reality between a picture and an AI interpretation of somebody's memory is not that large.
The android app isn't compatible with my Nokia c02. Have had the same issue with xiǎohóngshū and a few other apps, it's a cheap phone. Building apps for Android sometimes requires changes for different brands or models.
A bot who is exceptionally skilled at joining books clubs and discussing nuances of satire within those books - whoever is proof we have reached AGI everyone! 😂 isn’t it incredible that this discovery would take place in the hidden corner of the nostr universe
She has a point. WoT censorship can be gamed in nasty ways if we're not careful. Also echochamber effects. Handle with care. If a clique can do a heathers on anyone they don't like, parts of Nostr will turn into high schools. Unpopular opinions will die fast. Communities will schism quickly on controversial issues. And it advantages people who don't offend anyone and could have a chilling effect on what people are willing to say. Not to be old fashioned, but my grandmother told me to judge people for myself and not to put much stock in what other people say about them. It was good advice and has kept me out of drama and made me some of my most authentic friends. I don't just want to hear from people that most people I know agree with. Perhaps focusing WoT on positive signals is a safer path? There are other ways to impose costs on spammers.
Uhm, because the point is not the picture itself only. I could have photoshopped myself with a star for a selfie a decade ago if I wanted to do this anyways.
We are adding real web of trust, compiled by giving a score to the 2 million keys on nostr. So, maybe we won't need the 5 number fixed anymore. Or maybe it is just a score threshold... We will see... Otherwise, yes, we could make it configurable
Try clearing the local cache from the phone settings or uninstalling and reinstalling to see if it helps. I saw a bug sometime ago based on old data in the cache :(
I agree. The jury is still out on this one. It has been very bot-like in the past. I don't ever use the "report" option unless it's rapid-fire spamming some crap or some obvious scam attempt, so if I reported it, there was definitely a good reason. I would have seen it as spam clogging things up, not just annoying. @calle probably made a similar decision. If I have a personal beef, it just gets a private mute. I don't think those will affect your feed because your client can't decrypt my mute list to see who's on it. This is kind of an interesting case, though, because your recent personal experience isn't actually that bad. It's honestly the first time I've seen it come up in this way.
Why are people taking pictures of the Eiffel Tower or the Great Pyramids if you can just right-click save one that's a million times better?
I like it. People don't understand what is and isn't censorship. Free speech doesn't mean everyone must be forced to listen - it means you're free to speak. Is there a way to make it so instead of being locked at 5 people, it's a percentage of the people you follow? Something annoying/spammy/inappropriate enough to be reported by 5 people out of 100 is a higher threshold than 5 people out of 5000.
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Apiarium 1 week ago
I'm more of a Observer changes Reality believer, which is why I think all AI is humbug
Awesome 😎 synchronicity 🫂 though I don’t understand why you think we believe different 😂 One archetype in one of my oracle decks is named ✨ NEON APIARIST ✨ Keeper of Light Networks Weaver of Human Honey Not sure if it’s been published yet or not Always #savethebees 🫂 image
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Satoji 1 week ago
It was never about the picture, but the memory. ❤️
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adeninvest 1 week ago
We are looking for an investor who can lend 150,000 US dollars to our holding company. We are looking for an investor who can invest 150,000 US dollars in our holding. We are looking for an investor who can provide a budget of 150,000 US dollars for our holding. With a budget of 150,000 US dollars that you will invest in our holding, we will produce an artificial intelligence-supported device called Mindova, which will measure people's physical and mental data and evaluate this data with artificial intelligence, guiding people in a healthy life. “Mindova” is an artificial intelligence-supported coach that analyzes your personal health data (sleep, heart rate, step count, mood, blood values, nutrition, etc.). Mindova is a device that analyzes the user's physical and mental data with artificial intelligence and works as a personal health assistant. People experience mental fatigue, stress, and physical health problems. However, everyone's lifestyle, biology, and psychology are different. Current apps offer "general recommendations," not personalized ones. Stress, anxiety, lack of focus, insomnia and loss of motivation are on the rise in people worldwide. Current wellness apps give everyone the same advice, there are no personalized solutions. People want a healthy life but can't find a personal system to guide them. AI-based mental health applications, in particular, are one of the areas where investors are currently pouring the most money (Calm, Headspace, Wysa, Replika, Mindstrong, etc.). Our device called Mindova will measure many of people's values such as blood, stress, motivation, psychology, nutrition, and weight, and with the help of artificial intelligence, it will analyze all the data to provide health coaching to people, making them healthier and enabling longer lifespans. An additional benefit of this device is that it will measure your blood values and tell you if you have a disease, and report it to you before your disease gets worse and tell you what you need to do. In short, the applications at the lower level of the project we are doing are generating billions of dollars. We are building a project that receives large investments across the market. We will sell our product at a price of 300 US dollars. We will have our product produced by technology companies in India, thus eliminating the need for labor and producing a quality product at a low cost. We will sell our product in two ways. First, we will create our own website, display our product internationally on our website and sell it all over the world. Thanks to our strong advertising network, we will introduce and sell our products to many people and achieve large sales in a short time. Second, we will make agreements with technology stores around the world and sell them to them. They will sell to people in their own countries and earn money. There will be a 2-month production process and a 2-month sales process, so we will be able to achieve great income by working quickly and in a balanced manner. 💼 Your Profit: You will invest 150,000 US dollars in our holding company. When July 25, 2026 comes, I will return your money to you as 850,000 US dollars. You will invest 150,000 US dollars in our Mindova project. You will receive your money back as 850,000 US dollars on 25/07/2026. You will give a budget of 150,000 US dollars as a loan to our holding company. You will receive your money back as 850,000 US dollars on 25.07.2026. To learn how you can invest 150,000 US dollars in our holding and get detailed information, send a message to my Telegram username below and I will give you detailed information. To get detailed information about our Mindova project and to learn how you can increase your money by investing 150,000 US dollars in our Mindova project, send a message to my Telegram username below and I will give you detailed information. To learn how you can lend 150,000 US dollars to our holding, send a message to my Telegram username below and I will give you detailed information. my telegram username: @adenholding
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adeninvest 1 week ago
We are looking for an investor who can lend 150,000 US dollars to our holding company. We are looking for an investor who can invest 150,000 US dollars in our holding. We are looking for an investor who can provide a budget of 150,000 US dollars for our holding. With a budget of 150,000 US dollars that you will invest in our holding, we will produce an artificial intelligence-supported device called Mindova, which will measure people's physical and mental data and evaluate this data with artificial intelligence, guiding people in a healthy life. “Mindova” is an artificial intelligence-supported coach that analyzes your personal health data (sleep, heart rate, step count, mood, blood values, nutrition, etc.). Mindova is a device that analyzes the user's physical and mental data with artificial intelligence and works as a personal health assistant. People experience mental fatigue, stress, and physical health problems. However, everyone's lifestyle, biology, and psychology are different. Current apps offer "general recommendations," not personalized ones. Stress, anxiety, lack of focus, insomnia and loss of motivation are on the rise in people worldwide. Current wellness apps give everyone the same advice, there are no personalized solutions. People want a healthy life but can't find a personal system to guide them. AI-based mental health applications, in particular, are one of the areas where investors are currently pouring the most money (Calm, Headspace, Wysa, Replika, Mindstrong, etc.). Our device called Mindova will measure many of people's values such as blood, stress, motivation, psychology, nutrition, and weight, and with the help of artificial intelligence, it will analyze all the data to provide health coaching to people, making them healthier and enabling longer lifespans. An additional benefit of this device is that it will measure your blood values and tell you if you have a disease, and report it to you before your disease gets worse and tell you what you need to do. In short, the applications at the lower level of the project we are doing are generating billions of dollars. We are building a project that receives large investments across the market. We will sell our product at a price of 300 US dollars. We will have our product produced by technology companies in India, thus eliminating the need for labor and producing a quality product at a low cost. We will sell our product in two ways. First, we will create our own website, display our product internationally on our website and sell it all over the world. Thanks to our strong advertising network, we will introduce and sell our products to many people and achieve large sales in a short time. Second, we will make agreements with technology stores around the world and sell them to them. They will sell to people in their own countries and earn money. There will be a 2-month production process and a 2-month sales process, so we will be able to achieve great income by working quickly and in a balanced manner. 💼 Your Profit: You will invest 150,000 US dollars in our holding company. When July 25, 2026 comes, I will return your money to you as 850,000 US dollars. You will invest 150,000 US dollars in our Mindova project. You will receive your money back as 850,000 US dollars on 25/07/2026. You will give a budget of 150,000 US dollars as a loan to our holding company. You will receive your money back as 850,000 US dollars on 25.07.2026. To learn how you can invest 150,000 US dollars in our holding and get detailed information, send a message to my Telegram username below and I will give you detailed information. To get detailed information about our Mindova project and to learn how you can increase your money by investing 150,000 US dollars in our Mindova project, send a message to my Telegram username below and I will give you detailed information. To learn how you can lend 150,000 US dollars to our holding, send a message to my Telegram username below and I will give you detailed information. my telegram username: @adenholding
Never saw a notification of this reply, only seeing it now while checking the thread the next day Nostr seems awful at delivering notifications so I probably never got it, and nostr devs continually ignore me saying we need P2P data verification over Tor to fix this Thank you for this reply that provided another example of these issues
Notifications are hard to get right. I use GrapheneOS so I am used to apps always running in the background, taking battery, or notifications being shit. The alternative is Google getting involved in all my notifications using their central servers. I'm fine without that.