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Hmmm…I did, I have been using nostore for as long I’ve been on nostr, I never had issues with nostore except on my app (which keeps telling me it’s a web accessibility issue), and now seeing it here.
I was happy to pay it last year, and will be happy to pay it the next. Amazing service!
#zapyerdevs
How to pay actually? I just use the client and never directly go to nostr build. Maybe clients should make some payment split or something that if I subscribe to a client, % of that goes to the media host. Otherwise most users just don’t notice its existence.
Good rant mate. 🫡
My mother told me: “a lot of help, who doesn't get in the way!”, I don't know if this popular saying is popular in your country! Many people would help a lot, simply by not getting in the way, in other words: if you can't help, get out! Every worker is worthy of his salary! Congratulations on your tireless work and dedication! 💜🫂
You caught me in the heat of the moment. Apologies for asking you to take “good for you” lane.
As for the down/up-grade, it is not implemented because of the complexity involving doing so, but we already mentioned that you can just ask and we will do manual work on case by case basis. It is not like we add a button and everything works, it involves a lot of checking and ensuring that things don’t get screwed up. If you wish to get lower tier from the initial one, all you have to do is just ask (doesn’t even have to be nicely).
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Not sure what your point here is. I am not employed by nostr or anyone here, period. Paying customers get their money worth now, including free support. I am not available to jump on every discussion at random time, I active a daytime paying job. And again, what is the issue, I still struggle to understand. If you want your money back, I’ll just pay you out of my pocket. I am not dependent on the nostr income, far from it, I am paying my own money and time to it. I am a paying customer of Nostr where yet I have to also pay with my time and skills. I hope my point gets across. I do not mean to offend anyone, but I have my limits too 🐶🐾🫡
Which device? I use it on iPhone and it works for me. Do you have the extension enabled for that specific site?🐶🐾🫡
That’s fine, as long as you are satisfied with free offering, no need. 🐶🐾🫂
🐶🐾🫂🤣 tried to go Australian style but failed
Thank you! 🐶🐾🫂💜
should've called us all a buncha cunts and told us to choke on some milo
They are engineering challenges, I have no vested interest in misleading the user. You can take a look at GitHub source and see commit history. Implementing business logic especially when it comes to financial things is not a walk in the park. You can always logout and go to plans page to see all of it. The source is also available 🐶🐾🫡
Dude I don’t want my money back lol. 😂
I’m a paying customer of nostr as well.
The issue is that you’re upset people aren’t paying for a valuable service. I’m just trying to convey some options to find the tipping point to encourage the free market to find value in a product and pay for it.
For new subscribers, the free and paid versions are too similar of a service to encourage subscription.
For existing subscribers most of whom are “donate to developers” types, the upgrade page is too limiting, and sats pricing being more than last year is jarring, when bitcoin is considered deflationary. Suggestions have been made and relayed. But users/subscribers will make their own choice on if they find the value or not.
It takes a conscious effort 🐶🐾🤣
🐶🐾🤣 makes sense. Beyond choking the free offering to the point of unusable, it is yet impossible for one person to implement all good features. And adding more will inflate costs further, making lower paying tiers and impossibility.
I don’t want to bother you with this. I do believe I have it enabled. Not sure if there is anywhere else to go to refresh it.
When I open the extension setting I do see nostr.build in the list of apps as well.
Click on the “Nostore” thingy and see if account is selected. And this is not a bother to me at all, I love helping people after all 🐶🐾🤣🫂
Maybe it should be unusable. Maybe the idea of free media uploads to nostr is a pipe dream that feeds an insatiable beast.
Media is the fuel for the social network fire. Maybe if each media upload had a small zap requirement, then there would be a sustainable market.
Or maybe the only way such a service survives is with an angel investor type paying all the bills. Because maybe nostr dies without such a service…
Then refresh by pulling the window down 🐶🐾🫡
It is. I just tried zap.stream just to double check. Logged in as it always does.
And of course, for absolutely no reason at all, now it’s working. 😅🤣
I swear I didn’t do anything lol
I kind of agree with you on that point. The problem is that paying with BTC sucks for normal people. It is hard to get, and hard to spend without jumping through hoops.
I do think having a usable free offer is important for nostr now, otherwise a lot of people would not be here. 🐶🐾🫡
Don’t really know what you do but sounds like you need a zap
Buddy!
🐶🐾🫂💜🤣 thank you!
Should integrate the strike API so that people can pay with fiat and let strike do the conversions to sats for the service.
Yeah right, didn’t do anything my ass. 🐶🐾🤣🤣🤣
also, food for thought
View quoted note →🤫🤫
Primal is funded by VC and has full time working staff. They have strike integration, and it works. 🐶🐾🫡
Strike integration doesn’t need the full time staff, pretty sure their documentation is pretty readily available and open and their team is willing to help out other developers.
Ffs, I didn’t know it was you 😜
I was going to punch you in the head….now I won’t 🤣🫂
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That’s a great option for a client. I will take a look at their integration later, when I have time. 🐶🐾🫡
Or maybe I still will 🥊🤣🤣
yeah
now you'll go for the globes instead
Luckily for you, your a Planet 😂
well Sayed my G👏🫡
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Good morning 🐶🐾🫂☕️💜
Heard
#tipQ fixes this
tell emmmm 👏🫂
i was like the first to renew 💀
Ummm any chance you could help with cleaning up the pages please bro? 🙏💜
Thank you for listening 🐶🐾🫂💜🤣
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I am not a software engineer, this will not help! 🐶🐾🤣🤣🤣
Not sure whether a common problem, as some software developers know how their shit works not needing that guilty conscience reminding about random things going killing sprees
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well then... Auralius!
Fuck em. 😂😂😂
😬 🏃♂️
Yes daddy
👋🏻 son? 🐶🐾🤣
I stopped using it but still paid for it. GFY back 🤙
You are a hero! 🐶🐾🫂💜🤣
I missed a lot lately… what service are you building? 🤔
nostr.build 🐶🐾🤣🫂
This stuff is hard. As the primary media host you’re also taking on a bunch of unsexy work and responsibility.
That’s the toughest part few understand! Thank you! 🐶🐾🫂💜
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Well deserved rant, nostr moves so fast sometimes I hadn't really clocked I was using it.
Pricing is part of the signal a business has to put out on how it remains profitable, it signals who your customer is, and who is not, people who don't want to use a service thats fine but no need to bitch about it
I think big tech really sold people on the idea that digital products can be free, and the way they subsidise these users is either unsustainable or has borked incentives
Thank you! 🐶🐾🫂💜
Hard facts! Thank you 🐶🐾🫂
Isn't that how services and businesses work? You put out a price and people will pay for it. If they think its too expensive they'll bitch about it and go elsewhere.
Great to see this business you have built. We should stop promoting free stuff or "donations".
I just gave you 21 sats.
That's one fiat cent.
You're welcome
First time here about it..how private is Orion?
I like Tortuga. all his arguments are on point.
You must also know that the best services come out when there is competition. What are the alternatives for nostr.build?
It's a fork of WebKit (the engine that powers Safari) but with no telemetry or other tracking. From the same dev behind Kagi search engine. They say they plan to open source it as some point. I've independently tested network logging and confirmed no outbound connections, unless you use their sync option. There's also a macOS version too.
Not all are ‘on point’, however it’s always constructive to have some debates.
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Dunno what exactly this is all about but feel you.
nostrcheck.me, nostrimg.com, satellite.earth, primal.net, void.cat etc! 🐶🐾🫡
I am going to be an annoying (but not heavy) freeloader until
@Vitor Pamplona implements the capability to directly open the camera and take videos and pictures directly in the app. I would use/post way more data if I was able to open nostr, take a video of the pigs and then post it since those would then be backed up VS taking them, compressing them, uploading, etc.
May I make a suggestion?? There's free market devs(I wasn't aware of) and you guys are working so hard🤕😖😢😭. ..its hard from a consumers perspective to keep up, also to stop yourself from repeating. why not have a developers project profile and evenly split zaps among your team?
You are not a freeloader, you are using the service provided to you free of charge. This is fine as long as you do not expect anything beyond what is given! Thank you for using the service 🐶🐾🫂💜
V4V sounds great at face value, but that is not what my note was about. 🐶🐾🫂💜
It’s really a sticky thorn in the side of V4V if no one is willing to support producers and creators who put in the work.
No! I'm not talking about v4v, I'm talking about just example Amethyst app has x devs but if they have just amethyst profile page to donated zaps(evenly split among devs) it would be easier for consumers to follow
users should be hosting their own media on personal servers or else paying someone else to host it.
I believe this is called "firing the customer". Not something you hear about often, but when is customer isnort profitable, you "fire" them as in refuse to serve them anymore.
I appreciate you and I'm still sad that I didn't make it to Nostrasia to give you a hug and but you a beer. Keep up the great work. People like to bitch. Ignore them and keep building. 🤙🏻🫂💜
A personal server should be (and is) as easy as minting an NFT and logging in with your wallet. installing and running apps and libraries is the same process: just buy an NFT and the app is running.
no setup, no maintenance.
Vaporware.network
Vaporware
Digital membranes and Nock heresy
True FOSS spirit!
“I’m making it because I think it needs to exist. I will consider your feedback but will choose what I want to do with it. You all can take your feedback and shove it up your a** if you don’t like what I do!”
Nostr.build removes meta data. I think that has value by itself. He's not using CDN cloudflare like primal does. So its optimal to use nostr.build just think if u need to remove meta data holding private information about govt if your a journalist
First time listener, long time subscriber 🫂 Great service, still cheap, dog is highly committed human. Good sat to fiat prices right now, recommending all to buy some space for their memes and dick pics 🤙
The Fiat mind virus where people expect things on and from the internet should be free
This is even funnier on a second read because in English the phrases are:
“an axe to grind”
“a bone to pick”
You said “a bone to grind”, which is by far my favorite version.
You're right no one deserves to be bullied when they're providing a free service. I think you all would have more luck with money if your customers understood what your work process looked like. We're so spoiled with free apps I don't think people realize how much work it takes to build these things. I've just started learning since joining nostr. In general it would be nice if there was a tool to help the clueless understand something about programming so they can understand the value of the work more and appreciate it
PAY THE DOG 🐾
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Yes! And there are easy ways to do it too! 🐶🐾🫂💜🙏🏻
I am all for that! I know that the customer is not always right, because I am a customer too and I am wrong most of the time 🐶🐾🤣🫂
True! 🐶🐾🤣🫂🙏🏻🔥
Normal people do not see or care about it, which is expected. They only care when things don’t work, and we are all guilty of it ourselves 🐶🐾🫂💜
Thank you! Penis Master! 🐶🐾🫂🤣💜
It goes deep! Generations of brainwashing takes time to heal 🐶🐾🫂💜
Thank you! I just made a quick note about the process it takes to take something from PoC to production 🐶🐾🫂💜
🐶🐾🫂💜🤣🤣🤣 sorry, but it sounds too funny
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100% if we’re going to change things, value for value is the way
No. We care about it. In a comparison framework of various hosting services that'd be a major feature for me. :)
I care...sir
A lot of people aren't aware of evil cloudflare finger printing devices. Think of it this way-- before you enter a store you need to show/scan ID before you buy a carton of milk. The difference is the ID is now ur device. So your meta removing data media hosting has value. It allows one to be anonymous who may have loads to lose(especially to far left-or just journalism in general). And I humbly thank you for your hard work. You should be funded properly in my eyes.
I am 3 year subscription
Get on my level peasants
Why do you care about people complaining about pricing? Paying customers are your metric, not complaints.
How many Pog slammers do you have tho
When I was 8 I had a cool metal one with spikes
Nice see kids nowadays just have digital garbage like nfts back in our day we had real world garbage you could touch it and know how worthless it was now worthlessness is so abstract 🤣
Thank you for your hard work!
Love mixed idioms.
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it 😂
I’m not the sharpest knife in the tree.
Most people in this modern tech world just expect everything to be free and yet will also complain about these free services not being up to their standards. F 'em all. It's truly hard for any tech business to turn a profit in these modern times. This is sadly why a lot of them sell out to a bigger company as soon as possible or go the ad revenue model to make up for it. Tech is rapidly spoiling everyone way too much.
I’ll give this a benefit of a drawing board 🐶🐾🤣
Legendary! 🐶🐾🫂💜🔥
True, but I am still a human and it’s hard to ignore at times 🐶🐾😭
Do you have a fiat endpoint for donations?
sats and btc dont work well on my end yet - i hope that strike entering europe will fix that. Because I want to donate more, but unless my channels are capped, i cant. But I do have a paypal and shit o.o
You don’t have to fren! The thought counts! Thank you! 🐶🐾🫂💜
@jb55 and
@The Fishcake (nostr.build) have rant-funding down.
1. Build amazing🌟 products at great personal expense😰
2. Give them away for free💸
3. Rant 😭 about the hopeless loss of funds from 1 & 2
4. Receive highly zapped post
Business model needs to precede the business or your business is a charity. Save nostr. End free relays.
Technically my rant was about people who pay first, and then go create a note that it is too expensive. If people don’t like something or don’t want to pay, they shouldn’t. If there are questions, they should just ask, and not do public callout 🐶🐾🫡
I like and have paid for image hosting services for nostr, but I expect >98% of your expenses are tied to free tier business with people who will never pay. In a way, you will always be your own biggest competitor.
I appreciate that jack and many have gone into their pockets to bootstrap nostr. I have poured in about 550€ on my small relay. But, if we don't build decentralized profitable micro services into the system we will just get the same centralized outcomes when the generosity runs dry. If nostr survives and thrives as a protocol, then a microservice economy of image hosting dvms will likely replace centralized hosting services.
Here is my guess at *a way* to solve relay sustainability with P2PK
Habla
The Future of nostr is pay-to-post with P2PK - Orange Crush Relay
In this article, I evaluate the challenges of creating economic incentives for decentralized systems like the nostr protocol and propose a monetiza...
Maybe there is something there that may inspire a future image hosting micro service.
Gm🤙💜
GM 🤙💜
