OCEAN is an attack against Bitcoin btw
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I'll give you a hint as to how Luke will react when BIP-110 fails.
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If Bitcoin distributes CP, I won't ever run a node again and will support legislation to ban Bitcoin
As if it doesn’t already…someone better tell him there are things in the blockchain that he can’t know about…some people are so naive.
BS manipulation from the evil shitcoiner and Citrea investor that launched a disgusting shitcoin on top of Bitcoin.
Ocean brings FREEDOM and DECENTRALIZATION back to Bitcoin
Do you know who is decentralizing Bitcoin mining?
Its not the Compromised Core. They are cucks to spammers, shitcoiners and scammers. Like Citrea for example.
Its DATUM from Ocean with which eveyone can create their own Bitcoin block templates
and mine solo or in a pool from the smallest Bitcoin miner to the largest ones.
https://ocean.xyz/docs/datum
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Should Bitcoin be shutdown if #BIP110 doesn’t activate?
SLopp is such a disgusting shitcoiner, spammer and evil manipulator.
Is it clear now why Jameson SLopp is continually saying that "Everyone's a shitcoiner." and "Everyone's a scammer."?
His investment CItrea is launching a 💩💩💩centralized preminded out of thin air slavery SHITCOIN💩💩💩 on top of Bitcoin and not just spamming Bitcoin's timechain with spam.
Majority of Compromised Core devs supported CItrea's "use case" 🤡🤡🤡
Bitcoin Knots and BIP 110 fix shitcoiners and scammers like CItrea and their investors like SLopp, Peter Thiel from Palantir and scammers like Erik Voorhees and Orkun Mahir Kılıç.
Citrea shitcoiners
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BIP 110 will activate, no worries 🤙
Tick tock, next block
Shitcoiners like Citrea better to shutdown
Lopp being a shitcoiner has nothing to do with this.
Do you agree with Luke that bitcoin should be banned if #BIP110 doesn’t activate?
I appreciate your technical contributions to this topic.
BIP 110 will activate, no worries 🤙
Tick tock, next block
Shitcoiners like Citrea better to shutdown
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With DATUM and Bitcoin Knots from the smallest BitAxe miner to the biggest miner pool can create their own Bitcoin block templates and be sovereign miners.
I solomine with DATUM.
This is about SLopp shitcoiner. Its a long note.
SLopp is such a disgusting shitcoiner, spammer and evil manipulator.
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Buddy can’t answer a simple question. I used to support Luke and Knots, but you guys have lost your fucking mind.
Go gobble up more of Peter Thiels isreali propaganda then go Fork yourself.
🤡, also retarded, you answer is there, tick tock next block
but spammers like you licking SLopp's boots are brainless
I love Luke. I’ve even given him 1 BTC before…and given that it was in the form of a Bitbill, he might even still have it.
But I DISAGREE with Luke. His position is not a technical one; it’s an absolute moral judgment position. And while I agree with the morality underlying his position, I don’t agree with how that is translated into Bitcoin.
This is more than 80 GB of spam that degrades Bitcoin.
Big OP_RETURNs do open the risk of CSAM
BIP 110 and Bitcoin Knots are what fix Bitcoin. I assume you saw that Citrea launched a shitcoin on top of Bitcoin? That Citrea scammers where Lopp is investor and Core supported them with their spam and shitcoin "use cases"
If you believe this degrades bitcoin, then I have a real depressing thought: then bitcoin doesn’t work. If you need knots type limits to make bitcoin work, then leave now, bitcoin already failed.
Multiple times in this thread I said I don’t like lopp. You just have no reading comprehension which is not surprising since you fell for the lowest level of propaganda.
I look forward to watching the BIP fail and you morons scramble. #GoForkYourself retard
You need to study Bitcoin.
In the past we have sane developers and they kept Bitcoin free of spam, that is why Vitalik created the shitcoin of all shitcoins Ethereum.
Nowadays the shitociners attacks from Citrea and alike are supported by the compromised Core and that is why BIP 110 and Bitcoin Knots are the current solution.
Study BIP 110
What's CP?
Oh wait nvm.
Not the most libertarian apparently
Anothier bad actor from compromised Core that supports Citrea shitcoiners and spammers 💩💩💩
It actually does.
Everyone on this thread can kick rocks including the individual in the screenshot. Replace Bitcoin for “internet”
LOL... Aren't you the Citrea shitcoin investor? GFY
Sometimes the truth hurts. Maybe BIP-110 isn't the right choice, but neither is investing in shitcoin companies. These decisions matter.
What’s worse, being a shitcoiner like Lopp or advocating for Bitcoin to be banned like Luke?
Very simple question.
Bitcoin doesn't distribute anything but a coinbase subsidy. People distribute things on Bitcoin.
I said this when they launched.
I invest in many things. Perhaps I shall pleasure myself, that's a great suggestion!
Jameson Lopp :: Angel Investor
Jameson Lopp: cypherpunk, co-founder & CTO of Casa, Bitcoin proponent
Bingo. And if you want bitcoin to be a blockchain, you have to permit entries in to the chain. And if you accept entries, you must accept anything that can be encoded and follow consensus rules; no matter how tight those rules may be, you can always choose to encode CP. Playing the “take away useful features to stop CO” game is a cat and mouse game for morons or those wishing to make bitcoin eventually useless.
Exactly. The same way the guns don't kill people.
Really? I am that naive. I thought only text can go in a TX
Luke is a monarchist.
He is, by definition, an authoritarian.
SLopp is evil shitcoiner, spammer, scammer and manipulator.
Imagine what kind of pathetic cucks are the people who believe in the evil shitcoiner Jameson SLopp aka "Your node doesn't matter", "You are not Core so you don't matter", "Everyone is a shitcoiner" and so on lies and manipulations.
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It's a competitions to the bottom...lol
he, the compromised Core and Citrea already dig in the bottom with Citrea launching a shitcoin on top of Bitcoin
What's citrea?
A spammers and scammers company in which Jameson SLopp along with Peter Thiel from Palantir are investors.
Citrea also launched a shitcoin on top of Bitcoin and their goal is to turn Bitcoin into Ethereum 2.0 shitcoin.
Most is shown here
Is it clear now why Jameson SLopp is continually saying that "Everyone's a shitcoiner." and "Everyone's a scammer."?
His investment CItrea is launching a 💩💩💩centralized preminded out of thin air slavery SHITCOIN💩💩💩 on top of Bitcoin and not just spamming Bitcoin's timechain with spam.
Majority of Compromised Core devs supported CItrea's "use case" 🤡🤡🤡
Bitcoin Knots and BIP 110 fix shitcoiners and scammers like CItrea and their investors like SLopp, Peter Thiel from Palantir and scammers like Erik Voorhees and Orkun Mahir Kılıç.
Citrea shitcoiners
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I'm guessing the point is that any miner that has opinions on Bitcoin is an attacker
Attackers should stay humble and manage energy and heat, and maximize fees via techniques such as Cluster Mempool
Is it true @Jameson Lopp ? How do you defend yourself against those accusations?
Yeah but he is really nice about it, because, you know, an ideal monarch acting nobly is far better than any other government ever employed by man…because no monarch has ever been wholly good. But such an argument is lost on monarchists.
Its a lie, they are bringing freedom back to Bitcoin.
Luke has been very consistent in his warped world view. None of this is unexpected.
so much misinformation here
1. Bitcoin is Freedom Money, that is it
2. We promote miner decentralization and that is what DATUM achieves already
still wrong
I need not defend myself against puritanical pleb slop, I can simply laugh at it. 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
If you want to see a genuine attack against bitcoin, it won’t come in the form of a polite prunable op_return that follows consensus rules. One can argue the cheaper method of embedding data is the greater attack, but to argue either is a big attack is folly. Even the ordinals spam is no more harmful to bitcoin node resource constraints than a fully used block…so if Bitcoin being fully used is bad, then bitcoin has bigger problems than spam.
I will grant you that it is subjective.
Okay yes, true that’s a fair point, but still what happend to this approach?! From my perspective, Taproot mainly benefited spam and data-related use cases without providing a comparable real-world benefit for Bitcoin as money itself. And still, there has been no serious alternative proposal to adjust or mitigate the unintended consequences that came with it. Opening OP_RETURN limits also benefits spammers, while not actually reducing spam.
And yes, I agree that we probably cannot stop it completely. But then why are we not even trying to limit it in a reasonable way?
To me, the easiest way to prevent something like BIP110 from gaining support would be to propose an alternative approach that is less strict and more balanced. I don’t see much effort from the other side to even explore compromises or mitigations, and that is how to see bad intentions.
Well partening with peter thiel is not puritanical, is it true?
You were wrong then, and still wrong now.
If calle the cypherpunk said so, it must be true 😅
They are making Bitcoin mining more decentralised and this is bad for scammers and their paid shills. So it’s no wonder this gets framed as an attack.
A clean monetary block without shitcoins is an attack on Bitcoin, got it, 10x.
Tell me you know nothing about angel investing without telling me.
I've never interacted with Peter, nor did I know he was an investor, nor do I care.
Yes and other tons of things I don't know too. But nothing stops me asking questions in search for the truth.
Obv the latter, who cares about shitcoiners
Got it, thx 👍
let’s grant that luke is hitler or the devil incarnate.
with that aside, now we could get to the contentious issue: how should the network handle arbitrary data?
current consensus says: do what you want with it. so it makes sense why you advocate the way you do. you have a use for arbitrary data, and I do not blame you for serving your interests.
but it also makes sense why BIP110 advocates argue the way they do. they have no need for arbitrary data, and I do not blame them for serving their interests either.
right now, i have no use for arbitrary data; it does not serve any interest of mine. I am on a BTC standard; it is my chosen money.
just got my start9 server, my participation with the network contributes to forming bitcoins consensus
so what is the affirmative case?
how does the current consensus around arbitrary data serve me?
Its mostly evidence and your own statements ... but yeah I call your manipulations slop too
this is how spam excuser talk, exactly
You should do whatever you think best serves your interests. That's the fundamental premise upon which Bitcoin game theory rests.
I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise.
I think this is objective if you know what it means to mine and create your own Bitcoin block templates, which you know ...
and if you know what decentralization means for Bitcoin
Ocean is a mining pool made up of people with a certain ideology, coordinating to mine blocks that signal what they think Bitcoin should be.
DATUM has nothing to do with the statement. It's part of the social engineering. It's not the only way to mine in a pool and submit your own templates.
Even on Ocean pool everyone can create their own Bitcoin block template, meaning what you say is complete BS because Ocean gives the miners the freedom to choose their own template.
The centralization and dictatorship is done by the other mining pools, the ones Coretards lick their asses.
See how he didn't tell you that he knew Citrea are spamming the Bitcoin blockchain and now they even launched a shitcoin on top of Bitcoin.
They were saying they want to turn Bitcoin into Ethereum 2.0 shitcoin even more than a year ago.
Citrea in which Jameson SLopp, Peter Thiel the chairman of Palantir and the major scammer Erik Voorhees are investors.
"We're hearing things like Citrea is better than Ethereum," Chainway Labs co-founder Orkun Mahir Kılıç told CoinDesk. "It'll be better with time, because there's like $1 trillion, as of now, sitting in the Bitcoin blockchain. It is the most secure, battle-tested and decentralized blockchain. And we are bringing decentralized finance to it."
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-zero-knowledge-rollup-citrea-173000226.html?guccounter=1
https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/citrea-raises-2-7m/
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"We're hearing things like Citrea is better than Ethereum," Chainway Labs co-founder Orkun Mahir Kılıç told CoinDesk. "It'll be better with time, because there's like $1 trillion, as of now, sitting in the Bitcoin blockchain. It is the most secure, battle-tested and decentralized blockchain. And we are bringing decentralized finance to it."
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-zero-knowledge-rollup-citrea-173000226.html?guccounter=1
https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/citrea-raises-2-7m/
I'm no defender of 110 and I get why not everyone's so big on mempool filters depending on how you approach your expectations of them, but curious as to why you'd view OCEAN as an attack.
Seems like most mining pools are an attack through centralized template creation and that OCEAN addresses this issue through DATUM. Stratum v2 may be better but doesn't really seem quite there yet.
Anyway, yea, good faith reasons, how is OCEAN an attack?
I could not agree more with you.
That’s the whole bitcoin game: serving one’s self interest.
I asked for your counsel because I saw that you were advocating for people not to run knots, not to run BIP110, so you are already in the persuasion game, you are already trying to convince others.
Just being real man, it is a little on the nose to hear you say "I'm not going to try and convince you" after I just got done reading your entire blog post trying to convince me.
I am a moral philosopher. that is literally my profession.
I do nothing but study and write about “what ought one do?”
There is nothing wrong with persuading others through rational dialog.
I am interested in the principles behind your logic and actions because I know I get a lot of things wrong, so I am constantly revalidating my thought process, asking what am I missing? The best way I have found to deal with my blindspots is to steelman every possible position I am aware of, and then pit them against each other.
Of all the contentious issues I've used this method for, this one is the most lopsided, no pun intended.
I am about to spin up my new node. I was running core v28 on an old laptop and never upgraded it, but that just seems like non-participation now because we signal our self interest with our actions. Like bitcoin is going left or right, there is no pause, tick tock next block.
So help me steelman the case for increasing the amount of arbitrary data per transaction. I cannot make a good affirmative case for why I should run the latest version of core, why I should reject BIP110.
I guess this was my final hail mary heave to make sure I'm not making a mistake in serving my interests as a bitcoiner.
> Stratum v2 may be better
It’s objectively not.
Let me know if this scammer answers any of your questions. You might have to wait a while tho.
Have you ever ran Knots before or you’re just signalling that you don’t like it with or without BIP110?
In the latest version the BIP is automatically added but it asks for your consent to run it, but you can decline.
For Calle with love.
I already explained why Knots is a joke of a software project, why Luke is unfit to lead a Bitcoin implementation, and why 110 is doomed to fail.
Anyone who's has read those explanations and still wants to run 110 has my blessing and will receive my roaring laughter when their node freezes in August.
The point of the arbitrary data debate is that you can't stop it, you can only incentivize less worse usage of it.
This is simple information theory; if you don't believe me or don't get it, you're doomed to spin your wheels fighting ghosts.
This was articulated to death last year and it's frankly a DoS to continue asking people to repeat it.
Bitcoin Core
Bitcoin Core development and transaction relay policy
Bitcoin Core development and transaction relay policy
Their DATUM protocol empowers bitcoiners to do things that weren't possible before. The exact opposite of your rugpull technology.
That’s simply untrue. The benefits are huge and the risks are essentially zero.
It objectively degrades bitcoin. If you knew anything about money, you’d know this.
It degrades bitcoin as much as using bitcoin. That’s it.
There is a nontechnical consideration: if pegged side chains like liquid and citrea become more valuable than bitcoin per block, moving chain forward as opposed to reorg in low subsidy era becomes trickier for miners.
> It degrades bitcoin as much as using bitcoin.
Using bitcoin as money strengthens bitcoin. Using bitcoin for other purposes degrades bitcoin as money. It’s a simple concept, if you understand what gives value to money and what dilutes the monetary premium.
I explained why Bitcoin is a trust anchor a decade ago. That hasn't changed.
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Bitcoin: The Trust Anchor in a Sea of Blockchains
Bitcoin is the strongest permissionless blockchain in terms of computational security because it has the most resources being expended in order to ...
You clearly listen to too much Mad Kratter propaganda. OP_RETURN was already "blown out" which is why the debate was about the trade-offs of relay policies.
SLopp is a liar and evil shitcoiner manipulator.
This is the true history of OP_RETURN events.
The OP_RETURN Limit Removal: Gaslighting or Technical Necessity?
SLopp is a liar and evil shitcoiner manipulator.
This is the true history of OP_RETURN events.
The OP_RETURN Limit Removal: Gaslighting or Technical Necessity?
LIAR
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Liar
Your friend Matt Kratter made a pretty good rebuttal of your “explanation”. As far as I know you never responded with anything other than ad hominems.
The discussion ended last year and we moved on to more important matters.
Fork around and find out.
looololol, ever heard of Citrea : ))))?
Is it clear now why Jameson SLopp is continually saying that "Everyone's a shitcoiner." and "Everyone's a scammer."?
His investment CItrea is launching a 💩💩💩centralized preminded out of thin air slavery SHITCOIN💩💩💩 on top of Bitcoin and not just spamming Bitcoin's timechain with spam.
Majority of Compromised Core devs supported CItrea's "use case" 🤡🤡🤡
Bitcoin Knots and BIP 110 fix shitcoiners and scammers like CItrea and their investors like SLopp, Peter Thiel from Palantir and scammers like Erik Voorhees and Orkun Mahir Kılıç.
Citrea shitcoiners
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Gaslighting for Coretards : ))) is the above
and the truth is below, the Citrea who launched a shitcoin on top of Bitcoin and all facilitated by Core and their malware Core V30+
The "attack on Bitcoin":
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Coretard
It’s so sad that all prominent devs and Bitcoin OGs pretend DATUM doesn’t exist and instead keep shilling the technically inferior Stratum V2.
Which, to be clear, is not even a thing.
There are no Sv2 Job Declaration pools.