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Laundered misdirection? Wdym?
I have a lot of insight into this actually… I would say most of the internet is scrubbed
but there are crawlers that exist and can pull back pretty much anything anyone has ever said ever
Back in the 90's the internet was more fun for sure. Today it's heavily censored
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Lies lies everywhere.
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Why is Nostr the answer? No other place on the net is easier to be flooded with AI slop.
Is this why I can’t find Kanye’s “an apple a day makes you gay” tweet anymore? Makes sense now.
Flooded to peoples comments? If its spam then it'll be reported and muted. WoT option is better than most alternative measures I've seen elsewhere
If nobody follows them then it just goes into the void of the global feed
Ahh but with lightning being the money. There will be a prohibitive cost to it if that is the choice of the user.
Centralized platforms will be smashed with AI slop at no cost to the targets
They've gotten the people to scrub it for them by making them moderators and administrators of user content. Independent websites barely get traffic except by people who know they exist.
Centralized platforms can enforce proof of humanity via dystopian digital IDs and more or less guarantee that every user is a human.
Impossible on Nostr.
How does Lightning help here? Everyone is able to post without paying anything. And even if, AI can own BTC/LN easily and would be able to pay like everyone else.
They don't even need to scrub it.
Just removing things from search results is enough to control the info.
I can't remember when it was, some time after the Covid lockdowns, but google deindexed results for 10,000 different websites in one year, mostly forums and blogs.
They've removed more since then, it's hard to find information outside of Wikipedia, Reddit, and tiktok/YouTube these days.
Duck duck go has been compromised, I don't even know what search engine to use anymore.
Fun fact, with Nostr you choose whether or not you want to see the AI slop.
Yes but there is an ongoing cost attached to it. Also Bitcoin is not infinite.
Also there will be some users who will welcome the AI slop. Akin to Bitcoin faucets
Scrubbed? It’s not even that hard for them.
A lot, dude. If they were willing to off 270+ people just to take out Bentov, a little bit of internet censorship isn't even cracking any eggs.
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Yesterday I was thinking of a forum setup that I would call Dunbar’s forum” where you could create invite only private forums each that had their own topic or theme but a maximum of 150 active users.
Take the concept of Dunbar’s number and apply it to our online communities. Create small niche groups where people know each other and have a reputation. The side effect is the benefit of being a bot or paid influencer is small as your reach is limited. Being private in nature allows for moderation to be determined by the individual group.
The internet is build on connections and does not need to be one big bucket of internet. Not everyone needs to see everything or be connected to everyone. It is the “web” that is important. The fact that information can travel between these nodes not that it is available everywhere at once all of the time.
Some people I know dedicated their lives for a decade or more to documenting the truth about the century-old Leo Frank sex murder case, and set up a couple of Web sites to host that documentation. Their sites were very useful to scholars and researchers, and rightly shot to the top of Google's results on that topic. But then the organized Jewish groups decided they didn't like that, and Google (a Jewish owned company) de-ranked them purposely, and now they are not even visible on the first pages of results on Google, totally replaced by ADL-approved sites.
You might want to sub to Brian Rommele on Twit/X.
He’s a respected, popular, early AI garage-pioneer who’s been a proponent of off-line feeding of AI from a vast majority of old magazines and such, precisely to avoid the obvious weighted bias of the internet in such an important new technology.
By chance is the website you’re talking about [
https://www.leofrank.org/about/ ]? If so, holy shit you weren’t kidding how many pages I had to scroll through to reach it on Google
Here we can reason and criticize each other without killing each other in a censorship resistant way. Isn't that the wet dream of the natural law? Mentioning the laws of our nature just through hearing the arguments of each other and reaching our own conclusions?
In that sense, doesn't Nostr make states completely "obsolete"? If you know the laws through seeing the memes that flow through nostr, why would you need a state to say what is good and what is bad?
They are after you. For sure.
Even if it was, why would it matter? 99% of stuff on the internet is not useful to humanity and even the authors didn’t ever intend it to be
From the few relays I get automatically connected (on iris web i cant even post), most interations to my posts are automated likes or llm replies.
I guess we should go outside and interact with reality instead of trusting the internet 🤝
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We're not building the internet for humans, but for machines
Yes, the two main sites are leofrank.org and leofrank.info. It's interesting to compare their Google rankings with their rankings on the less-censored yandex.com.
the internet scrubbing reveals the nature of totalitarian tendencies. the even bigger existential crisis for me, was thinking about every written record in history having passed through the same process. how much do we actually know about our past?
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Would that record the original file?
No but a blossom link would have a file hash. OTS is more about proving existence at a given time than file availability.
*sigh* what news have I missed? There is evidence that things get completely removed from the internet?
Wikipedia is being changed.
The really scary part is that AI uses wikipedia as a source of information more than anything else.
It is already better and faster at fact checking than most humans.
How long before we see it as the oracle of all truth?
> Wikipedia is being changed.
Wiki has been a contolled propaganda channel for years. Good luck changing the entry on central banking.
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All valid questions
#AskNostr
THEY can do whatever THEY want and THEY get away with it!
With a couple of decades of bookmarks and downloads, It’s pretty damning already. In the not too distant future I hope to create an index of content and call out the “404s.”
Eventually I’ll throw Ye’s (Kanye West) “Drink Champs” interviews one, two and three up.
“I’ve got receipts” as Bill Ackman said, but I REALLY do!
Would be great marketing for nostr if we could prove it.
I guess there’s plenty of proof that the money printer exists but still nobody gives af about bitcoin 😂
I just can’t take all the bots and fake accounts now. X is rife with them.
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1. Bitcoin plebs, this Revolution.Social episode would be really interested for you
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2. Actually, why are you on Nostr?
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3. This is the truth that everyone should understand
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4. When you use Nostr and other social media, you realize the preciousness of Nostr
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5. This is the progress we need in Nostr
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6. How much plebs love Nostr
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7. A request of a Nostr Bitcoiner from the Nostr community
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8. Nostr has answers for many problems
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9. What do you think about this?
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10. Nostr word spreads to the world step by step
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11. Both are correct
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12. Yeah for now; some are still not aware of Nostr
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13. The family vlog with the new cute member
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Welcome to the dead internet.
Agree. I'm a recent X refugee.
Yeah … that’s a question 🙋🏻♀️
Welcome 🙏
