Free speech platform, X, blocks users from sharing their Signal profiles.
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X is blocking links to Signal
User handles can still be posted as a workaround.
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muh free speech absolutionist
Now do Nostr censorship Derek
If only there was another way.
nope
nostr doesn't have censorship
Of course they are
Why do you think so? Spam links to CP selling Telegram channels were rampant just a couple months ago. Signal has the exact same problem.
I heard Session is better than Signal, anyway. 
Didn't Musk literally endorse Signal a few years ago?
I wish X could just go away. Surprised the President hasn’t mandated Signal to do anything yet. Rooting for Signal amidst the fray
wutdat?
Nawh-stir?
X is essentially State Media. It won't go away. It will just get more dystopian.
He flip flops a lot, especially when he feels less loved or threatened.
Nostr itself doesn't, but popular clients implementing opt-out filters labeled as merely "spam filters" and then arguing in bad faith when called out on it sends a message a supposedly "censorship-resistant" protocol shouldn't be advocating for.
There's a reason I'm not using Amethyst anymore, as I also ceased using it during the Onyx fork era.
But this is highlighting the censorship resistance of Nostr. If one client does something you don't like or one relay does something you don't like, you have a plethora of other choices. X does not have different choices to post signal.me links. That's the difference. I know you get that.
A decentralized design is better than a wholly centralized one, definitely. The issue arises when it morphs into a cat and mouse game; ambivalent clients and/or relays starting to censor what they consider "undesired" users, others gradually becoming more restrictive, etc.
Nostr client and relay maintainers seem hellbent on doing everything wrong with the fediverse, but on a far worse scale. The point isn't that you can't fuck off and use something else, but pondering how long until you'll no longer be able to do that.
I didn't leave the fediverse just to end up with an experience worse than it.
Session is a messenger competitor/similar to Signal, but routes everything through tor and is decentralized. You also don't need a phone number to use it.
Badass
Honestly I've yet to try it myself, but I have been recommended to for a couple of years now 
some clients are going to be better and more popular than thoughts. and it's absolutely possible that those more popular clients may do things that you do not like or approve wholly of, but again, by design you have a choice to not follow suit if you do not want to do so. you say you don't want an experience worse than the fediverse, but on the fediverse you really don't have a whole lot of choices. it's not as censorship resistant as nostr.
i don't think muting is censorship. i don't think they're even remotely related.
oh. sounds like SimpleX, before SimpleX started shitcoining at least.
Probably. I think I first heard about Session in 2021 or so
Booooo
I'll just say that making one change would eradicate the censorship claims overnight, and it's something I discussed with Verita directly.
Just make the filters opt-in, and not opt-OUT; make it something new Nostr users can leave off or enable during onboarding, and explain clearly exactly what it does, rather than pretending it's something that it isn't.
PS - good thing I don't use it nor give a crap
X (formerly Twitter)
Elon Musk (@elonmusk) on X
I am endlessly amused by the infinite indignities I suffer on the very platform that I own
Nodding in agreement for sure. 🩷
What do you think about SimpleX?
You fucking piece of shit, you censor me by having me muted while apps automatically put you in follow lists and drown people like me out of the trending feed
Low transparency filters are still a form of censorship. Sure, Nostr is unique in the fact that it allows you to choose your client and your relays. This is already way better than alternative microblogging platforms, which can take away users' ability to communicate even when they know exactly what's going on. However, Nostr's theoretical censorship resistance is kind of moot when there is no way for a user to figure out how to actually achieve it in practice.
Which relays do you draw from? What client do you use? What settings should you change? One of the greatest aspects of the Fediverse is how so many instances publish blocklists that anyone can view. As I understand Minds, all of their moderation decisions are incredibly transparent.
What can a new Nostr user do if they want to audit a relay that "only filters spammy notes"? How can a Noster user tell when they are missing a note? And how can a Nostr user find that note after they find out about it?
New users already complain about how it's impossible to differentiate relays. And it's a general consensus that a user shouldn't have to read the source code of a client just to figure out what it's filtering by default.
Hello again Whoever.
Dude I found out Digit was alive all of last year and probably still is
I hope your life is going as well as you could wish for too
By the way, I'm never ever leaving Nostr. I don't care how inhospitable this place gets; I'm never putting my interactions in the hands of third party ever again.
🤥
You can run your own relay and run a client on your own computer, server, or device. You can publish your content exclusively to your own relay. You can make this relay only accessible via TOR.
I can do that with any competitor to Nostr too
It was any link to signal.me.
Thank you for your well wishes. I'm glad to hear you got some answers. I'm curious, have you thought about why it might have taken you so long to find out?
And you can gaslight me about mastodon bridge spam but I've still never seen a good way to filter it
What does that have to do anything?
Read the article.
And how are new users supposed to find this relay?
If I'm going to all this effort anyway, I could just run my own blog and set up my own web spider to find other people's blogs.
That is the best part. They don't need to find it. Their clients do all of the work.
What is the Nostr Outbox Model? #HOWDONOSTR
The Nostr Outbox Model (NIP-65) allows users to define which relays they want to use for sending notes directly within their profile, improving efficiency and relay management. By declaring this in a special event kind via their profile relay settings, users set preferences on where their events should be sent. This reduces user confusion and fuels decentralization.
The simplest take away here is that users no longer need to have a shared common relay between them to communicate. Clients handle all of the heavy lifting for them. This change simplifies both the client experience and relay coordination, aligning with decentralized social networking principles.
With the Outbox Model, users can use a variety of small and community relays, and still communicate with one another.
What does this look like and how does this work in practice? https://how-nostr-works.pages.dev/#/outbox
Here is a great article on the Outbox model by @hodlbod if you'd like to learn more: https://habla.news/u/hodlbod@coracle.social/8YjqXm4SKY-TauwjOfLXS
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I don't know. She made a new Spotify playlist, but it's just 3 songs that still make me scared about her safety and well-being. Before she deleted her accounts, she did threaten to disappear to make me stay scared, after doing it in the past and not really seeming to believe me about how scared I was. So maybe this is how long it took for her to decide to let me be less scared, or maybe the playlist is for someone else and has nothing to do with me and I'm just not understanding it. I'm just glad it seems like she's alive, even if the uncertainty is still terrifying.
A lot of freedom involved! 🫶🏼🤡
Oh cool, I always hear people talking about things like the outbox model, or the gossip model. I'm excited to finally have a conversation about these, especially if you might answer questions.
I notice that in the first link's explanation, Mister F. is a follower of Miss P. And I notice that the second link's explanation states that the mechanics of the specification apply when seeking events from a particular user.
Additionally, the explanations from the links don't seem to place any value in understanding a relay's reasons for blocking notes from a particular person. Maybe shouldn't Mister F. inquire as to why Miss P. was banned from four different relays before he follows her? And the second link mentions explicitly that the outbox model doesn't help users when selecting topic-oriented relays.
These are important to me because so much of my Nostr experience is about the notes and the interactions rather than the specific people those interactions are with. I don't want anyone to have to follow me in order to talk with me! For example, neither of us are following eachother and I was not specifically seeking your notes when I started this conversation. I regularly search keywords in global so that I can scroll through the results.
If the author and the reader are most interested it content based filtering then how does the outbox model compare to just opening as many connections as possible? Do you have any recommendations for these use cases? Thanks.
She did something with the goal of making you stay scared?
Ostensibly yeah, that was the point of deleting her accounts and leaving.
Best case it's the best way to utilize my obsession with her while she tries to grieve her boyfriend that committed suicide.
Worst case it's reverse psychology trying to distract me from even more scary shit.
Middle ground, it's her wanting me to die, or it's her assuming I've moved on because nobody cares enough to tell her I talk about her all the time and she thinks someone would care enough to tell her.
I really hope it's just her best way to utilize me while she's grieving. That way I'm being useful to her with all this fear instead of just hurting her by being hurt by her.
Have you considered that maybe she just wants to be left alone? Where does that lie on the scale?
So much for free speech ig
Sério Elon, agora que você é político, é só mais um deles. Meu respeito se esvai a cada momento...
Free speech platform, X, blocks users from sharing their Signal profiles.
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X is blocking links to Signal
User handles can still be posted as a workaround.
Didn't know simplex is shitcoining and can't find anything with a quick search can you send me a link?
She said so, but if she wanted to be left alone, she shouldn't have constantly made me panic about her more and more. That's got me pretty locked in to obsessing over her forever, which also makes me think she was kinda lying about wanting to be left alone.
Thank you for the replies by the way. Getting to talk about her for a few replies in a row really helps. I'll try to be a good listener if you ever need to talk about anything too.
To respond to your other reply, getting to grill you is itself all the thanks I need.
Can you be more specific? What should she have done if she wanted to be left alone?
Continuing to post on reddit instead of deleting her accounts would have been good. If she had to delete her reddit and Discord accounts, telling me she'd keep making Spotify playlists would have at least helped. Prescribing happiness and freedom instead of fear and pain for me would have helped, if she wanted. But what she's done is perfect if she wanted me to end up setting my name to "whoever loves Digit," talking about her every day, posting her song and stuff, so I hope she secretly wanted me to be doing exactly what she has me doing
Double replying again to give another way of looking at it -
3 years ago, she had a chance at getting me to forget all about her. She could have simply sent me to go obsess over some other woman from my past.
2 years and 11 months ago, it was too late to make me stop thinking about her a lot for the rest of my life, but she could have still gotten me to shut up about it for the rest of my life and go pretend to obsess over some other woman from my past, because I was already so obsessive before meeting her.
2 years ago, this constant panic had gone on too long and it was too late to stop me from trying to get her to talk to me for the rest of my life, but she could still have really easily had me to try to include other people and areas of interest in my life to help distract myself from her.
Once she followed through on threatening to disappear to make me stay scared, it stopped feeling like I'm ever going to be able to focus on anyone or anything else no matter what.
on brand. The elon lovers have already demonstrated they don’t care
How could she "get you" to forget all about her? Why would you ever obsess over the other women instead of Digit? Is there something that would have forced you to go where she "sent" you?
The chance of it working was already not 100% by then, but the key thing would have been convincing me it's OK for me to be happy and I'm not required to stay scared and depressed
And "forgetting all about her" wasn't accurate wording, I just mean shifting focus fully to another woman so I wouldn't secretly be wishing she was Digit anymore
Before I met Digit, I had been wishing I could make myself good enough for this other woman called Mad to talk to me. So 3 years ago I was pretty open to Digit just approving of that plan and telling me go back to focusing on Mad. It would have just been a little tricky for her to do counteract my fears about her cancer and get me to stop panicking enough to shift focus. But she's really good at psychological shit so it seems like she could have done that if she felt like it, instead of continuously making me as scared and desperate for more time with her as possible. I really hope the reason it went this way is because I could never be as useful to Mad as I am to Digit, just being someone to suffer with her from a distance and hopefully someday without the distance.
What is psychology?
Understanding how people's minds work. She probably would have had to be staying on reddit though. I don't think I would ever not be scared all the time with it leading up to her deleting her accounts, disappearing, leaving no signs of life except a cryptically scary Spotify playlist.
Why would understanding how people's minds work help? Why would that get you go back to Mad? Should you have gone back to Mad?
Her psychology skill seems to give her pretty strong control over me.
If Mad needs me more than Digit maybe I should have gone back to her but I doubt it. I don't think worrying about Digit would distract me from worrying about Mad if Mad was in as much danger or pain as Digit. I'm pretty sure I'm worried about the one I should be worried about.
I still worry about Mad a lot when I think about her too much though. I hate the idea of her not finding anyone else who cares about her the same way I do. But there's nothing I can do about it since Digit is the one I cannot willingly allow to never find out how much I care about her.
Not surprised. He clearly bought X to use it to push propaganda. The real question is whether the people who pushed for the sale of Twitter to Elon were in on his plan.
Thanks.