Thread

Zero-JS Hypermedia Browser

Relays: 5
Replies: 148
Generated: 00:43:34
Login to reply

Replies (148)

The information in the blog comes from a corrupted shitcoiner. nostr:nevent1qqsyc8m04al84ate6tgkwhvz7s72rhezwn5rp39r0dtvfkhfj9jkm4cppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qyg8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnddakj7qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhx27rfwsh8qatz9u4zcfwt
2025-09-23 14:34:06 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Those are the reasons why I did not switch to Bitcoin Knots. Mainly to the fact that this project has only one maintainer not even signing his commits. But if we go back to the subject, the OP_RETURN debate has been so heated, I simply chose to not upgrade past minor 29 until I can really observe and understand what the real implications will be.
2025-09-23 14:59:15 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Just a question, if I fork a project on Github and someone wants to put in a pull request, do they use my new project's Github or the original's? And if commits are put in based on those pull requests how would anyone else beside the project owner sign and push them?
2025-09-23 15:32:52 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
Normally you fork the target project to which you wish to make the pull request, commit it in your fork, and request the upstream maintainer to merge your exact commit. Then your exact commit (with the same byte for byte code changes and commit hash) gets added to the upstream repository, essentially wrapped in a "merge commit" by the maintainer. This preserves the integrity of the code change proposed by the original author.
2025-09-23 15:43:54 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
If anything Lopp says in his blog about Luke/Knots is true or valid then this makes what he and core are doing extremely irresponsible. Core is the reference Bitcoin client, not Lopp's personal vehicle for squeezing some fiat out of VC backed Citrea. Changing core to appease this one particular actor, with the unintended (or intended) consequences such a change inevitably causes, is unbelievably reckless. Especially when, according to Lopp, there is no viable alternative. nostr:nevent1qqs9qlh0ga3zks5um0nsdztpul7mwzz93t968gyxpdwt27rsu998zrcpremhxue69uhkvet9v3ejumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtmvv9hxwtm9dcpzpaegm8nwwpyrtrnsjv84efjtp9mhpkvfenvxs487vx8d48y28qgxqvzqqqqqqyyw8f7z
2025-09-23 16:02:50 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Chris is likely referring to my Citrea investment, which I've explained numerous times that Citrea doesn't need larger OP_RETURN to operate their protocol.
2025-09-23 16:11:36 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 4 replies ↓ Reply
Whoever owns a given GitHub repository has the final say over what code changes are applied to it. This is the same reason I maintain my Satoshi fork of Bitcoin Core. It contains metric collection code changes that would never be accepted by the upstream project.
2025-09-23 16:13:53 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
Okay, how exactly? Unless he literally copies the code to his project. Then there would be duplication issues correct? This is obviously more of a Github issue than a code commit, merge, or push issue but still.
2025-09-23 16:26:08 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Thank you for the response, I’m going to push back a bit, you say that Citrea doesn’t “need” larger OP_RETURN. My question is more along the lines of does Citrea benefit from larger OP_RETURN?. To be clear, my intent is not to attack your character, but allow you to respond directly as this is a common criticism I hear. I see a lot of people talking past eachother on this issue . Then devolving into personal attacks and emotional appeals.
2025-09-23 16:35:11 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 2 replies ↓ Reply
it helps knots users know what they are getting into, considering so many people are saying they plan on switching. how is this not helpful? most of this content is stuff many pro-core people were already aware of, clearly it is not well known or there would be more hesitation to adopt a fork by luke.
2025-09-23 16:54:15 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
If it’s relevant to the debate then it can’t be “Ridiculous”. I assume nostr:nprofile1qqs0w2xeumnsfq6cuuynpaw2vjcfwacdnzwvmp59flnp3mdfez3czpsprpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumr0wpczuum0vd5kzmp0ksxxx2 does have Bitcoins best interests at heart. I’m not implying anything, I’m trying to clarify directly from Jameson a charge leveled at him.
2025-09-23 16:59:20 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
Which bip proposed to turn BTC into non fixed, p.o.s., premined coin? Haven't seen that one yet...🤔 Could it be.... more hyperbole!?!
2025-09-23 17:17:25 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
LLMs are retarded. Here is post form sh who: 1. Is knots proponent 2. Knows what he is talking about (knowledgeable in bitvm) nostr:nevent1qqsxywq45m0cdjc0h559mln09pdd3llpamklfasktvll7tvpqnnvnvcpzamhxue69uhkummnw3ezuct60fsk6mewdejhgtczyqsc8628tpyp6rcjf77e83tve2j9ulj5tnht34fgfrucy5l5j7uh2qcyqqqqqqg52zd92
2025-09-23 17:22:01 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
I always said the issue of Luke losing most of his bitcoins IS a big deal. He no longer has a financial interest in bitcoins success plus when he went to the feds to cry for help they very easily could put him on their payroll. Lord knows he needed money. And they get a mole inside Bitcoin. A very symbiotic relationship indeed. Plus Luke clearly has a bone to pick with Bitcoin community. And it is important to know that this individual is a little bit mentally unsound.
2025-09-23 17:29:58 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Surely that’s the point! no one can quickly do this because the hash values don’t match and so all assumptions about the core code that makes up the majority of the knots code can no longer be trusted. Amateur hour.
2025-09-23 17:33:34 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
Fair enough. I suppose I was a bit triggered by the "qui bono?" charge as it tends to get overused by liberals and left-of-center types to invalidate arguments by people who do, in fact, have incentives to see a system succeed monetarily, but in a way that isn't necessarily unaligned with the larger pro-social aspects of the project.
2025-09-23 18:12:13 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
What a 🤡 This is signal. And the reason you should be running knots. #knots #bitcoin nostr:nevent1qqs9qlh0ga3zks5um0nsdztpul7mwzz93t968gyxpdwt27rsu998zrcpremhxue69uhkvet9v3ejumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtmvv9hxwtm9dcpzpaegm8nwwpyrtrnsjv84efjtp9mhpkvfenvxs487vx8d48y28qgxqvzqqqqqqyyw8f7z
2025-09-23 19:09:52 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Thanks, I haven’t really followed the details of this debate enough to have a meaningful opinion. I’m sure nostr:nprofile1qqs0w2xeumnsfq6cuuynpaw2vjcfwacdnzwvmp59flnp3mdfez3czpsprpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumr0wpczuum0vd5kzmp0ksxxx2 has answered this charge already. I just haven’t seen a direct answer. I understand it’s very easy to get “Triggered” especially once a discussion has already devolved into personal attacks and appeals to emotion. I’m confident the best Bitcoiners can stay above all that. After reading Jamesons article on nostr:nprofile1qqs0m40g76hqmwqhhc9hrk3qfxxpsp5k3k9xgk24nsjf7v305u6xffcpzfmhxue69uhkummnw3ezucn4d9kxgtcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsk233ah it brings up some important context regarding Luke’s history with core, security practices, incentives, beliefs, etc. related to the debate and decision making by node runners. I have seen no evidence that Luke or Jameson are bad actors. Just men who are trying to do what they think is right for bitcoin. I appreciated the article as an informational piece for my continued understanding of the debate and the people involved, hopefully leading to some kind of consensus and peace around the issues.
2025-09-23 19:10:36 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
took me several minutes to read. so... pro knots: OP_Return limit, spam transaction filtering pro Core: code integrity, peer reviewed, risk control what am I missing nostr:nevent1qqs9qlh0ga3zks5um0nsdztpul7mwzz93t968gyxpdwt27rsu998zrcpremhxue69uhkvet9v3ejumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtmvv9hxwtm9dce6e09r
2025-09-23 19:18:31 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Luke is the most different of all different breeds lol .. I like the section about how a turbo-autist, immune to peer pressure might not be the best person for managing an important open-source repo. But regarding the Knots repo management critique, imo one needs to cut Knots some serious slack, because it was basically irrelevant until a few weeks ago .. must improve over the next 1-2 years though.
2025-09-23 19:22:00 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
I’m less looking for an answer and more wanting an honest dialogue to occur. We may be past that though. Personally It doesn’t bother me if a person advocates for something that benefits them financially. It is certainly relevant to a debate though.
2025-09-23 19:22:53 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
This thread of responses is an excellent collection of accounts to mute. It's certainly not a serious project.
2025-09-23 19:24:34 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
It was 11 years ago, he missed out on a lot of gains just like Luke. Explains his severe BDS, like wanting to get rid of the 21M supply cap, and his "I'll make any PR for money" policy. Todd and Lopp are the kind of devs that were shown the door a few years ago. It's disgusting to see people who should know better worshipping these shitcoiners.
2025-09-23 19:54:49 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
I meant that worshipping comment for people like Adam Back, jb55, calle, walker, and many others. And the fact I disagree with all these "experts" is fine by me. I'm used to being in that situation. Smart move to run an old version. At least wait until we see what the unintended consequences are (I'm sure there will be some).
2025-09-23 20:09:13 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
This article will be a case study in a few years. It's a great example of how to take most things out of context and focus on sentimentality. They focus everything on Luke, but the problem isn't Luke, the problem is Core, and we need alternatives, there's no other way. By the way, node execution is going to get interesting. Let's come back here in five years and look back on this. nostr:nevent1qqs9qlh0ga3zks5um0nsdztpul7mwzz93t968gyxpdwt27rsu998zrcpremhxue69uhkvet9v3ejumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtmvv9hxwtm9dce6e09r
2025-09-23 20:54:16 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
based on what you've wrote: Do people want him in a leadership role? Probably not (a no from me). Do people trust his work in regards to security? Probably not (a no from me). So why are people installing Bitcoin Knots and the number of them are increasing? I'd imagine it's a very simple answer: because most people are signaling that they don't want the op_return increase change, and if they have to install knots to signal that, even if most people read that post about the current leadership and maintainer of it, and have the opinion that knots maintainer is bad and they'd try to stay away from him, they'd still install knots, not because of knots, but simply because they don't agree with that single change coming in Bitcoin Core 30, let alone dealing with inscriptions. I'd imagine people would say, as a response to not use knots, is "if you don't want us to use knots, or whatever other similar node, and not continue advocating for it and increase the conversions to it, then don't move forward with this change, and never do unless there's a really good reason, which is doubtful". That's how I see things, and I'd imagine most on the non-core side with this upcoming update, from what I understood in all of this.
2025-09-23 21:22:33 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
From Giacomo (X) : > Luke sent the FBI after his fellow Bitcoin Core contributors False statement. You provided no source to verify it, and I know the opposite to be true. >Knots is a dangerous "solo dev" project that does not have the necessary level of peer review Misleading statement, unless the same is also said about LibreRelay and Bitcoin Knobs, and much more emphasis is put on Btcd. > He became much more vitriolic toward Bitcoin Core and now makes outrageous claims that it's compromised and trying to destroy Bitcoin Qualified as your personal opinion, but logically contradicted by your own examples of him being *way* more vitriolic in the past with many (cf the Voorhes and Silk Road cases you listed, contrast them with his tolerance of libertarian claims more recently): by any metric I can think of, Luke has gotten way less vitriolic over time. In general, I'm not sure using dev political opinions to dismiss software (which is 99% of your pamphlet) is the game you want to play, in order to defend Core. Be my guest in case. > abused his position of maintainer of the Gentoo Bitcoin Core package to enable his custom blacklist rules by default This statement is contradicted by the following claim by Luke's own statement "it did not occur to me at the time that the spam filter was even included". You provided no source to verify otherwise. > There is also controversy around Ocean's Datum protocol which is a competitor to Stratum V2 Misleading statement. DATUM *will be* a competing protocol to Stratum V2, once the latter will actually realize the miner-side-template-production. I think as of now OCEAN/DATUM is literally the only case of minin-side-template-production active on any pool. Even then, it will be a competing protocol, but not competition to his pool: Luke confirmed OCEAN will support SV2 as well once it gets traction. > When you get into Luke's personal opinions on bitcoin mixing (further down) this particular decision will make more sense. [...] This is relevant to my earlier point about Knots breaking the Whirlpool mixing protocol. He doesn't care because he thinks mixing is wrong and people shouldn't do it. False statement. Luke publicly stated support for coinjoin transactions in many occasions, and you provided no source of him saying otherwise, even if you claim you do in the first part of the mention. Indeed, Knots has always been relaying *all* coinjoin tx by Whirpool. It just happened that, for no good reason that I know of to this very day, some weird type of NON-coinjoin txs by Whirpool (tx0s) contained Op_returns uselessly larger than Core's historical limit (which was still Knot's limit). > Luke appears to be a geocentrist. "By the way, the Sun really orbits the Earth, not vice-versa." Misleading statement, since it insinuates this view is as unpopular as the others listed below (monarchy, masturbation, sedevacantism, etc.), at least among scientifically literate people. It's not. This seems to me to be a honest mistake based on your own parroting of the common "midwit-science" pop-view, naively misinterpreting pre-Einstein (but actually pre-Mach) Galilean relativity. In modern General Relativity, geocentrism is *literally* just as valid as any other reference frame choice (you just adjust the curvature and/or metric). Even if Newtonian physics, geocentrism is a valid choice as long as the Earth rotates to account for centrifugal forces. > Where has a large portion of the social and technical community's time and attention been spent? I tend to agree that Luke & Co have been rather poisonous as of late. False statement, offered without evidence, but also clear logical contradiction in the context of the panphlet. As explained (and paradoxically very well illustrated by your STASI-like dossier), Luke has been significantly *less* vitriolic and controversial than ever in the recent years and months. If large portion of the social and technical community's time and attention been spent supporting or attacking the claims of somebody with very low people-skills, who was traditionally ignored by most due to his unpopular opinions and eccentric personality, that's clearly caused by something else. I have theories. Sep 23, 2025 · 5:23 PM UTC
2025-09-23 21:30:56 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
This is a fucking awesome essay by Jameson. It helps to explain why another guy I greatly respect, nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgewaehxw309aek2mnyd96zumn0wdnxcctjv5hxxmmd94lnue , is always urging caution and doing your own research about the infrastructure of Knots development. This essay is a nice first stop on that research journey IMHO. Thanks for taking the time - well done sir! nostr:nevent1qqs9qlh0ga3zks5um0nsdztpul7mwzz93t968gyxpdwt27rsu998zrcpremhxue69uhkvet9v3ejumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtmvv9hxwtm9dce6e09r
2025-09-23 23:15:12 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
I haven't done the math in a while, but the answer is that the benefit is so marginal that it is effectively zero. First off, we're talking about 160 bytes of data. Secondly, it's only used if a specific dispute resolution process gets triggered. And the incentives are in place to make sure the validators try their best to prevent it from triggering. So it's expected to happen extremely rare, possibly never.
2025-09-24 01:02:41 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
you are talking like we are in 2015 or something. and nothing ever happened. you can easily understand core stands for public "core devs", that have control over the repo. that are actively harming and lying about things they do that makes no logical or technical sense. just bunch of brain gymnastics to justify what they did every time. if you ever read or watched one of these - responding to a counter against their claims, you can see their bullshit. just read, watch, listen what everyone said about everything, then and go verify yourself. and be honest to yourself.
2025-09-24 06:33:49 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
"But you should be informed of what you're getting into." Bro, Bitcoin-Core could just revert that change and you wouldn't have to write such articles. But they didn't. It's all being a conscious decision.
2025-09-24 07:09:17 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
I know Luke well enough, no introduction needed. The popularity of Knots is, after all, a reaction to the upcoming changes in the Core v30 release. Taking your writing into account, one question still remains: how can the average Bitcoiner express their disapproval regarding Core v30?
2025-09-24 07:11:07 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Could that someone be you (or another in your camp), if it's really that simple to defuse and settle this debate? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I just don't want bitcoin's prospects of success and fruition to be threatened, whether by Cnots or Kore. As someone whose contribution to bitcoin is little more than adoption and advocacy, I have no technical authority as to which, if either, is a threat or not. The whole debate is a minefield of overwhelming information with 360 degrees of crossfire, and many throughout the community are exhausted, but hopeful for a sensible resolution. It seems to me like you just offered one. I would love to see you follow through, if that's really all it takes. Thanks either way for your huge contribution to bitcoin code development and nostr damus, too. Your recent appearance on the titcoin podcast with Walker was a joy to listen to. ✌
2025-09-24 07:49:38 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
I highly value what you have done for Bitcoin, but this time you are wrong! I would be very sorry if this unfortunate debate left you with an irreparable bitter disappointment and you became an enemy of Bitcoin, like some other prominent figures among developers in the past. Bitcoin is at its very core the right to choose for yourself. There is no excuse for taking away the right of a node operator to determine the settings of their own node.
2025-09-24 09:20:05 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
I think it's the most important issue in Bitcoin right now, and I spend maybe 1% of the time Lopp does. Something else has to be going on. It's almost as if removing filters is crucial for his plans to succeed...
2025-09-24 10:51:43 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
The funny part is that Knots apologists come after Loop and said this article is an ad-hominem fallacy, meaning they didn't read the article itself. The dishonesty of Luke for me was when he tried to hijack the Transifex account in order to develop Knots as a Core project, which is mentioned in the article. Run Bitcoin Core people would me my NFA but if you want to run Knots after reading this, up to you...after all, your money, your rules. nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzpaegm8nwwpyrtrnsjv84efjtp9mhpkvfenvxs487vx8d48y28qgxqqs9qlh0ga3zks5um0nsdztpul7mwzz93t968gyxpdwt27rsu998zrcu7sn5z
2025-09-24 13:32:23 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Knots has been working fine for me. And too much centralization around node running can become a serious issue, one we're seeing Core trying to exacerbate, imo. That's my two cents.
2025-09-24 13:38:35 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
You can start a distribution with specific features .. Linux has thousands of distros to change the taste and flavor or meet certain features .. all are welcome .. But if you fork the Kernel .. .. it is suddenly a new system .. splits are very hard to maintain in a large eco system .. eventually, the question boils down to " kill or be killed " .. besides it leaves the entire community torn .. Fork may be fine where tech is going to change say 90 percent and older project is just not being maintained ..or you are launching a totally new project / protocol . ..
2025-09-24 16:24:04 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Your critiques of Luke's security and development practices seem legit, but your ad hominems seem uncalled for. I'd say that just like wallets, more node implementation options is better than less. Undoubtedly there will be pros and cons to each implementation but users can decide and competition makes for better products in the end. Personally, I use core for transactions but knots for mining.
2025-09-24 20:40:23 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Regardless of which side you fall on this debate. It is at least worth reading this through. nostr:nevent1qqs9qlh0ga3zks5um0nsdztpul7mwzz93t968gyxpdwt27rsu998zrcpremhxue69uhkvet9v3ejumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtmvv9hxwtm9dce6e09r
2025-09-25 01:22:47 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Are religious beliefs a professional security issue? I don’t know Linus’s religion, but I don’t think the security of the kernel depends on it. However, beyond reaffirming that it will be developed anyway, Citrea's 'Vitaliking the core’ - could this introduce security risks?
2025-09-25 23:48:06 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Blowing open op return, is undesirable……. V30 is undesirable……… But running V30 is certainly in your rights to do so………. #Bitcoin seems to be running fine without V30 what’s the impetus for the change Mr Lopp?
2025-09-26 09:22:51 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
Indeed. I was skeptical of the Rosa Parks thing. And there is so much fake news from all sides, that I had to follow up a bit (no disrespect to you Jameson, but we all need to Verify - not Trust!) His Facebook comments do exist, and are as retarded as promised Reading between the lines, he's open to capital punishment for monetary transactions such as gambling. So I won't be taking any lectures from him on what is or isn't "monetary" Thanks for putting this together Jameson image
2025-09-26 11:00:22 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
I agree, you should be informed. First rule about being informed: don’t take your info from shitcoin admirers with questionable investments. nostr:nevent1qqs9qlh0ga3zks5um0nsdztpul7mwzz93t968gyxpdwt27rsu998zrcpremhxue69uhkvet9v3ejumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtmvv9hxwtm9dce6e09r nostr:nevent1qqsxwerdepse9pvdzgfl2tjxdrzv5e2gwz93ayhscm4v2agcufuw0scnl49qc
2025-09-26 13:45:01 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
More importantly why do we need it? Where is there a deficiency that has been identified that needs remedy?
2025-09-26 16:06:15 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply