When you stop coming to my threads to comment that Monero is the solution to any social problem I raise, then I will stop criticizing it. View quoted note →

Identifying true enemy and staying focused on supporting all communities who feel they are in the fight to protect sovereignty does seem like a slightly more productive use of energy

I completely agree. And I accept my share of the blame.

All it is is a useful privacy tool. It's untraceable digital cash, nothing more nothing less. That's always been the claim. The core disagreement is that you cope about lightning and coinjoin making Bitcoin better at being untraceable digital cash. Not only is this wrong on a technical level, which I've explained many time and will happily do so again if requested, but also wrong when observing free market choices. Monero has been almost exclusively used on darknet markets, which are the largest p2p free markets in the world that REQUIRE cryptocurrency, since around 2020 starting with White House Market. Despite Bitcoin's dominating market cap, network effect, your claim of comparable lightning privacy, and that darknet markets started originally with Silk Road because of Bitcoin, they've almost exclusively switched to Monero. Not just in darknet markets we find this trend, however. If you look at Nano-GPT, Coincards or ShopinBit payment stats you see comparable or even dominant Monero usage despite vastly smaller network effect and market cap. This is especially stark when each of these platforms are basically advertised and begun on other currencies: Nano for Nano-GPT, Bitcoin for Coincards and ShopinBit. Purely looking at these free markets, we find a clear preference for Monero as untraceable digital cash. Why then does Monero anger you if it's proven to so many users to be superior as medium of exchange as shown by their choices? Perhaps these markets have been illogical for the past 5 years and are due for a Bitcoin Renaissance soon?

Keep using the same tactic, I'm not going to buy your shitcoin, go convince someone else.

If you're not gonna use it don't buy it. Monero is for use, not speculation. Also no tactics here, I'm making simple conclusions over Monero's disproportionate real world usage over Bitcoin. If you feel I've been dishonest please let me know how and I'll correct my error.

I'm not going to argue with you about Monero because I'm not interested. For me, Monero is inferior to Bitcoin in every way, and I help Bitcoin users maintain their privacy. If Monero is better for you, then use it, but don't try to convince me. I don't do that. I don't care if you don't use Bitcoin. See the difference? What you're really trying to do goes against individual freedom. It's not hard to understand. You go your way, and I'll go mine.

Any shilling of other coins underneath Bitcoin threads makes me immediately ignore/mute/block it.

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No what I oppose is not personal freedom. It's the factual inaccuracy. You claim "For me, Monero is inferior". Like inferior in what way? This says to me this: "Ignoring the evidence I just FEEL Bitcoin is superior for privacy". You're likely to push back on that but I'm going to keep trying to tell you the truth about the privacy issues with Bitcoin until you see because privacy is a major issue with Bitcoin. I would honestly have no issue with what you claim if you said something along the lines of "Monero is superior for privacy but I prefer Bitcoin anyway for (insert reason)" like for instance if you preferred the hard cap over tail emission, maybe you preferred fixed block sizes, or perhaps you think that coinjoin and lightning are good enough, and Monero while superior is unnecessary. These are all really good reasons to PERSONALLY prefer Bitcoin. The claim that Bitcoin is superior in EVERY way is just false and that's the only claim I come to challenge. This isn't personal @Cyph3rp9nk I challenge this view anytime I see it, it has nothing to do with the individuals who hold this view, I only want to talk facts here.

I'm not buying your shitcoin. Next time, I'll mute you.

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Alright I talk about stats a lot so time to bring in the reciepts (note that I don't have X so these are the latest I can find with search engines): ShopinBit:

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ShopinBit Payment Method Stats – September 2025 #Monero: 68.39% #Bitcoin: 28.85% Lightning : 0.19% #USDT (TRC20): 0.37% Fiat: 2.20% Another Mon...

69% Monero 28.89% Bitcoin 0.19% Lightning This is literally the tagline on the website, they only mention Bitcoin: "A privacy-first service for ordering anything with Bitcoin & crypto, worldwide. No login or extra verification needed" NanoGPT:

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Payment statistics in review 🥳 We now have a full year of payment statistics. What have we learnt in 2025, what coins are actually used, and wh...

44% Monero 18% Nano 13% Bitcoin Cant really see it doesn't have a number but maybe 1 or 2% lightning Numbers from December. The website is focused on Nano and offers a 5% discount in Nano compared to all over currencies. Monero still dominates. Coincards:

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Here's a breakdown of usage (by $ volume) on Coincards by percentage in September '23: #BTC (Onchain): 32.82% #XMR: 32.22% #ETH: 19.00% #USDC: ...

Latest is only from Oct 3,2023 mind you yet we find: 32.82% Bitcoin 32.22% Monero 2.4% Lightning Woohoo Bitcoin wins! Wait by 0.6% on a site focused and advertised with Bitcoin 2 years ago while bitcoin supposedly has 20x the market cap. Curious to see the stats now. From these stats (ignoring even darknet market dominance) I make the assured and certain conclusion that the free market PREFERS Monero as a medium of exchange. I challenge anyone to refute this I'd love to hear counterarguments or counter evidence most importantly.

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Do it again lol, it only weakens your already weak position. I don't want you to buy it, I want you to admit that Bitcoin has a specific inferiority explicitly when it comes to on-chain and network level privacy to Monero. That is all. The other stuff is pretty debatable, that's the only thing that is objectively true. Once again I'm not selling Monero. Actually pumps are kinda bad rn we need more time to grow organically so honestly don't buy at all unless you're willing to spend a majority of what you buy.

the reason this keeps happening is because people like you keep ignoring the obvious, monero is a superior privacy tool, like bitcoin is a superior savings/anti inflation technology vastly more secure (hashrate) and with a much bigger community/network effect. any monero guy denies such things, the others slap some sense into him. but it's not the same with bitcoiners, is it? and by the way, here's one for you to consider: there is no "we bitcoiners", you are making a categorical mistake. 99.9% of monero users are bitcoiners too, but they're more honest and rational, which is how they ended up in #monero but most bitcoiners are not monero users. it used to be different in the beginning, as most of us actually USED bitcoin and realized how privacy and anonymity-deficient it is. so naturally we recognized monero for what it was when it came out. simply put: if you're in this for freedom and privacy, there is no way monero is not part of your arsenal. there is MASSIVE cognitive dissonance with most bitcoiners, because they turned bitcoin into a fucking football club or religion type of deal. it's just a tool. and as a tool it sucks for privacy, sorry. so we have monero, that's great FOR US ALL. thank you for your attention to this matter!

he doesn't have counterarguments (because you're speaking facts) + he's made up his mind a priori, the glass is full, no room for learning because he already knows it all = "muted"

Yeah that does seem to be the conclusion. That's why I'm trying so hard to convince, like seriously how much evidence can one person take before they acquiesce?

I learned something some years ago. **you cannot reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into**. this is EMOTIONAL, not LOGICAL, for him & others stuck at the same place, which is why his replies don't MAKE SENSE. it's frustrating if you let it be, beause for you it's just LOGICAL, and you know your reasoning is sound (and you are open to proof that it isn't). but they never have proof, only muting and ad hominem attacks. remember, **you cannot reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into**.

Yeah he's pretty unconvincable I agree. But for the lurker more open minded, or on the fence? Seeing an interaction like this is extremely convincing in my opinion. At least that's my true goal here.

I second this, dear Monero bros. View quoted note →

depends how brainwashed the lurker's been. did you need anyone to convince you to use monero, or were you smart enough to figure it out? I am inclined to reply when I see the blatant maxi dogma to hopefully let a naive lurker know there is another viewpoint, which sets them off down their own rabbit hole - if they're smart enough, they'll figure it out. what is certainly a waste of time is trying to "win" arguments - that's just ego shit. and especially against dogmatic, closed-off minds. in that case, I only see the usefulness in exposing how close-minded they are (which likely means they have no good arguments, only emotions and insults to throw at you). for the seasoned reader, that's all they need to see to draw their own conclusions.

I can respect a person that wants to be private, but I thought the main goal was freedom from fiat, which they both seem to do..🤔

Transparent blockchain creates the ability for statist to determine specific UTXOs or use cases to be "illicit" and effectively ban them from merchants and off-ramps. We see this now with Chainalysis tainted UTXOs and OFAC sanctioned UTXOs. Also most exchanges and merchants won't accept coinjoined UTXOs now since they're basically considered tainted by Chainalysis. This level of censorship is one of the key power points of Fiat and something that Bitcoin inherits, yet Monero is immune from. From this stance I declare that there is a disparity in the level of freedom from fiat offered by either Bitcoin or Monero in that Monero offers MORE freedom. Real world usage reflects this. In the latest Monerotalk interview with the ShopinBit founder, he states that his lawyers actually prefer dealing with Monero precisely because you have no AML check overhead as did to the privacy, there's nothing to check. All monero is clean since you can't trace it. I don't know the timestamp but link is here

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How can someone you muted annoy you?

#Monero

"We Bitcoiners don't go to your community to say that Bitcoin is better"? LOOOL How many times I have read that Bitcoiners say Monero is a shitcoin, not usable, not one accepts it, Bitcoin is better and blablabla? " As I said, I don't want anyone from Monero to switch to Bitcoin." - No worries, it is the other way. OGs moving to Monero, gave up on Bitcoin.

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Just saw this too. Yet another data point.

Very true. Luke Smith got me into Monero. I was into privacy tech and free software before yet was a nocoiner since I didn't see Bitcoin being used. Once I learned about Monero and how you can actually use it today I was sold within hours and have been using it since.

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Lol @Mynymbox - Privacy friendly hosting solutions is doing more for Bitcoin adoption than you. They're providing a real service in exchange for Bitcoin, what more do you want? Whose side are you even on?

Oh yeah. Now normies with gaming PCs can mine it profitably, not just corporations. RandomX is easily one of the greatest improvements to Monero.

Yes we do as we are pro freedom of choice.

I don't think this has anything to do with that. he's just trolling. he craves internet attention. so he brags very loudly about muting people, then he mutes too many people, then he brags about unmuting them so he can brag about muting them again.

For real, his echo chamber must have been getting too boring so he decided to reset just to feel something again

Imagine when he know about btc maxis

Exactly. Eggsactly.

It's even worse. Most Bitcoiners are not even bitcoin users.

Both are shit. EOS is where it’s at.

Monero rules!

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EOS?

You wanted more diversity... That means you can't say #nostr is only for the Bitcoin community or belongs to bitcoiners. It makes sense that there are monero folks in here and they might have such reaction being how Bitcoin saturated is this protocol.

It makes sense that there are people who are "monero," but I'm not going to bother them in their posts; they're very annoying. They do it to all Bitcoiners, bordering on harassment. It's in poor taste. If they did that to me in person, they'd get punched.

I understand. Yeah, ts different when they troll your post vs. just screaming with their notes into the abyss.

@Cyph3rp9nk you are one of our best marketing channels! Your reach into the BTC community is really good. #xmr #monero

People like what they like and they tout it and tell why they think it is better. And Nostr is not a Bitcoin only community. For Nostr to be really healthy it has to be and is about a LOT more things than just how awesome Bitcoin is.

They almost got me once but my laser eyes were staying focused 🔥💪🚀

Classic shitcoin…

EOS was fast. I used to have a stack. Those were the days. Should’ve been stacking sats though.

I am really bad at reading sarcasm. I think this is that, right? But yeah I do know EOS it had good marketing or more like a "charismatic" sales person for clueless folks like myself coming getting curious about crypto I'm 2017/18. I still have it from back then. I think I bought $200 worth of it, it been 99.99% gone for a long time. Is it still alive?

Not really sarcasm actually. We all rightly joke about shitcoins today, but back then (2016?) early “altcoins” were mostly legitimate projects usually with some novel use case and that many of us thought would be successful, maybe even more successful than bitcoin. They were newer and “better”. EOS was super fast. I thought it would catch on. Only the people in early made much money though, and people began launching coins with a clever sounding use case just to pull people in but without really intending to be viable long term. They got labeled shitcoins. Many didn’t even try to sound clever, they just pumped and dumped as fast as possible. Now we see that they were all shitcoins and only bitcoin matters. But it was quite a learning curve for us that went through it. The bitcoin whales today are the ones who didn’t get distracted by all this.