Hot take: users don’t give a fuck about relays, media hosts or anything beyond what they want to see on their screens. Surfacing who posted what and how many relays got what is just a noise in their eyes.

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Minor disagree. I think it's pretty important to power users. We are just pretty bad about we surface it to most all users. The overall experience could improve re: relays. More control, more accuracy in surfaced UI, etc. But then again, maybe your point is that it shouldn't have to surface at all for most users. Which I do kind of agree with. But I still have to go with my gut and lean into how the infra sets nostr apart.
I'm not saying anything about you in particular; I won't criticize your work. But that was something to know, but for years, this is all that has been promoted here, which is not interesting for any normal user. That's the first reason why people don't stay here.
I’m new here (as of last week). I started using Jumble because I saw my post going to more relays and figured using it was why. Nostrudel.ninja is one of my favorite clients right now, I sense that once I understand more about Nostr it will be a great discovery tool. I’m honestly trying to sort this all out and gain a better understanding of it because I want to know and do give a fuck but that’s because it’s one of my three main, current hyperfixations.
I think advanced users may and that's cool. There should be tools for us. I personally do care about media hosting. But I consider myself at least an intermediate user. I don't think average people would care for the most part as long as things are reliable. The relay situation does sometimes frustrate me.
I realize being an exception, thanks for the welcome! Nostr is so vast a concept that I tried to cram it all in and figure it out in three days. That’s not how this works. So on day 4, I realized that I may spend a lifetime bopping around relays like plinko for the rest of my days, and that, I’m ok with.
We should do surveys. I agree they dont care about relays. They do care that it is decentralised. I wonder howuch they doubt it until they trust Nostr. I wonder what they want to know and ask. I think different users will care about different things. Surveys should be smart to understand where people are coming from and what is enough for them to join us. And then what do theu need after they have joined us. I am an outlier. I met Nostr with @calvadev⚑️ from @Shopstr Markets and I read a lot about it, got links with him and bothered him. I think in a couple of days I exhausted the topic and I knew the architecture fully. But I am an architect and I had a futuristic vision published - Nostr and Web5 are completely adherent to the vision. For instance, in my case I was a technologist but not a bitcoiner or not hat heavy on crypto, just because I dont have too much moneys and I just need payments to happen in the real world... Not much time to seek alternatives. Working too many hours on tech to have the luxury of looking into finances. But then I see families and those can invest some time on health alternatives, good food and financial alternatives. Then great... I guess we gotta cater to everyone. Maybe theres a bunch of people out there who want photos and something like Instagram but with some more controls. Or filters or something... Or zaps... And then there is th aggregator principle I talk about ib the futuristic vision - fountain should merge with invidious and be that. Nostr clients should also display Twitter stuff (maybe even reddit stuff) seamlessly... Let's go Nostr! Onwards and upwards!!
Normie's want easy function. Most of thenworkd are techies like us. I took a long break from NOSTR, and I am impressed with the progress. So much more mature. Now running grapheneOS and Amethyst big shoutout to the devs. # Amethyst #devs
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El Guirri 2 weeks ago
What do I see? How do I find people? Maybe people find others by seeing what the people they followshare or comment on. Surely the relay thing can just be that when you follow someone, client automatically checks who the npub uses and adds relay in the background. Presumably there's an issue in some way here but seems logical to non tech monkey like me
+99% de los usuarios potenciales de NOSTR son normies. Para ellos mientras mΓ‘s se pueda imitar la UX de facebook, mejor. Todas las opciones avanzadas y la complejidad oculta.
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R 2 weeks ago
As a user , I can confirm this is true 🚁😁
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El Guirri 2 weeks ago
I was explaining nostr to a photographer today. Key things he hooked to were idea of V4V and identity portability. Also random chat on the side with a friend who self signs and hosts and blah blah techie shit he was discussing with someone I introduced to nostr last year. That's the key. There's flexibility cause it's a protocol. Everything there for the techies but the client devs may want to focus more on the photographer, the other guys are already having the esoteric discussions
Also, they don't have messages or debug consoles or hidden info menus. I have that. πŸ˜‚ They literally have nothing. Can't even get the npub or nevent.
He's conflating two different user tiers. 1. Hide extensive messaging, debugging, info panels, settings, cache browsing, and have good defaults... for normies. 2. Let power-users adjust and customize everything and turn the infrastructure-reveal up to the max. They love seeing the innards.
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El Guirri 2 weeks ago
Oh thats fully understood. That was a comment from someone with Hugh technical level. His comment was simply nostr won't compete easily without things like that
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