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Sell drugs in DNMs, live on giftcards and prepaid Visa cards. 0 taxes
Unless you go totally off grid, its impossible. You'd need to grow all your own food, generate all your own energy, have your own water supply and that's just the start...
🎯 just what I mean, lots of bitcoin but we don't get away with keeping the state alive.
The agorism is the path, and the goal is to achieve a greater degree of freedom day by day. Your daily records are your own goal.
Counter-economy
Even with no VAT, using an inflationary State currency will fund the State.
I guess we need to live in the woods
The problem is that you would have to grow your own food, create your own energy etc., you would have to create it all outside the system, otherwise you would pay taxes, how do you get gasoline for example? It's not that easy, the state has it pretty well set up.
look at the corporate tax structure.
taxed on what's left after all expenses .....
GM 🙃
Small very local, off grid. Hard work. Up to ideals is going to be hard.
Especially since most dear and near don't get it.
Then you are your own biggest enemy.
Change one little thing every day and it will amount to something huge after one year.
And BTC is a tool to end theft through inflation. Use Monero. It's a tool to end taxation.
You will need both to separate money and state.
So the one little thing you could change tomorrow is starting to run a Monero node next to your BTC and LN node.
Some taxes are hard to come by with a normie mindset.
But as soon as you have set your goals clearly, the path will unfold itself before your eyes.
we have to be earning btc peer 2 peer then be able to easily buy food or housing easily with said btc to really have a chance to avoid some significant taxes. then we really find out how much they hate us though.
the VAT is fucked
Death by a thousand cuts.
- build your own networks and systems
- grow your own food or buy direct from producers for cash in hand or ₿
- make your own beer, spirits, wine
Little steps like this by lots of people moves the dial
Do you pay taxes within a family? Within a community of like minded people?
One thing to increase freedom is to increase your inner circle in comparison to the state. Let the larger entity (family or commjnity or company) manage things.
The abusive nature of taxes is so ingrained and propagandised into the hjman min that it is hard to start. But starting to think about scenarios and risk management is a great way to get yourself comfortable with rewiring your life.
In France you can live on active solidarity income "RSA" or having some kind of solidarity pensions if you can't work.
When you have it you are exempt of paying regular taxes, you still have to pay the adding taxes on all products to buy. You can have reduced prices for the bus, train, metro and some places like museums...
But that makes you the gouvernment bitch because you have to regularly justify why you can't work and they can watch all the details of your spending/income on your bank accounts at any moments
system designed prosperity go down value siphon
Well you could use your first world economic privilege to save capital(btc) and plan to relocate to a place with as little regulation as possible. At least that's my plan.
I also pay no income, property or cap gains taxes... This is pretty easy but I suppose it might catch up with me if I plan on living here forever... But I don't :)
Inflation is the most insidious of taxes because it's hidden & affects anyone holding our working for the currency. It's also the most easy to avoid by maximizing your Bitcoin use & exposure.
Almost everything for sale incorporates various taxes in its price. Buying directly from local producers/markets or purchasing second hand goods can sometimes reduce this exposure.
Producing your own goods/services is the best way to avoid tax, since your labour directed at yourself is not taxable. It's also the hardest to achieve as requires skill & time, but it also increases your resiliency. Things like:
- servicing & repairing your own vehicle
- doing your own home maintenance & repairs
- supplementing your food supply by growing, hunting, fishing & foraging
Don't aim for perfect removal, just try to progressively reduce the theft.
Start businesses and accept bitcoin
Work for businesses that pay in bitcoin
Encourage that progression by storing your value in bitcoin
The store of value aspect needs to be adopted before medium of exchange aspect can be adopted IMO.
Anyways this will naturally make the taxation system, well different. Contingent that people care enough not to just rely on regulated LSP's in the future.
This has always been my mentality. This is a slow-moving, long game. Keep pushing in all the little ways and have reasonable goals. As much as I'd love to see the state utterly collapse tomorrow, I don't even know if that would be the best route. Sadly, it is as if this transition needs to be fairly slow. We are indeed slaves to the system now, however, catastrophic collapse would be the death of billions I think. Kill the state slowly, allow more allies to awake in the process, don't get frustrated and stay the course. Plenty of agoristic things to do to starve the state. I'll add to yours....homeschool your kids, teach crytpo at your local library (fishing for allies), downsize to your comfortable minimum (pay less prop taxes), start multiple black/gray market little businesses, of course don't use any corporate software and teach others how to do this. This is a slow process, stay the course.
As long as we keep buying Bitcoin with the fiat we mine it's progress
I think you may need a lot of guns or really good lawyers
or just #hodl for now. worry about that part later
View quoted note →This is gold and exactly my thinking. I constantly teach about ₿ wherever I work and now Nostr too.
@ThatGuy do you have a lightning wallet connected? Tried to zap you.
Just pay your protection money and forget about it. Or move to a tax free jurisdiction if you can. No use upsetting yourself about things you can't change.
I wish I could fly like a bird. But I can't. I'm a prisoner and slave of gravity. My every movement is controlled and limited by it. I was born that way, I'll die that way. Forget about it. Complete joy and contentment is still possible even as a prisoner and slave.
So...
I I've read a short book called "the new age of intelligence". The book talks about emergent informatic worldwide threats, and it talks about "Big data" organizations: Big networks (somewhat distributed around the world) that control the world through privileged control of information.
As I see it, Nostr will eventually make these centralized permissioned hubs completely obsolete
If they are obsolete, politicians all over the world would be left devoid of their most powerful propagandistic weapon. This would mean they wouldn't be able to move the overton window and that weakness would only grow bigger and bigger
If you can't be touched by politics, this would mean you can begin to make something without being robbed everyday and grow a minimally disturbed know-how database for a lot of different things and even pass it to others that didn't have the opportunities to collect them (lol, the last idea came to me in the last second)
Living on a small sailboat would be easier & close enough.
Buy bitcoin. Use nostr. Try to move to a less tyrannical country.
I appreciate it and yes, definitely have a lightening wallet...just haven't gotten around to sorting out the correct addressing to post it here! Eventually 😃
I love it! I actually teach a class in my son's homeschool coop I call "Revolutionary Finance". We do the history of money from barter, to early money (shells, beads, etc), to metals and onto central-bank fiat. We finish out the course by turning our attention to bitcoin and other POW cryptocurrencies. The final class is a bunch of 12-16 year olds installing Monero miners on their laptops and experiencing the mining process. Pretty fun class. This is how we win, we take our kids away from the state. We teach them to honor themselves. We teach them to hate being controlled and manipulated. We do it with love and honesty. We make this fucked up world just a little bit better. Onward------>
That's a cool class.
There's no such thing as off the grid in any Western country, especially in Europe. The taxman is there and knows, regardless of what you think.
Not so simple as you think and you're still paying stupid amounts of taxes as a corporation in Europe, and depending how you're doing it, you'll pay both as a company and as an individual.
I know first hand.
Not just the government's bitch, but a true parasite on others. It's an extremely immoral way to live.
I think we are in agreement. It is impossible as I said.
trying to lighten up the mood,
I’d say "by living in a van, down by the river."
No, I didn't propose that.
You live in a world with a division of labor, so you do what you do best to sell it and buy what others do best, to satisfy your needs.
In the midst of this voluntary trade is the State parasitizing society.
You can only avoid something once in a while, and each new achievement of yours is a new degree of freedom.
In the modern world the States are very powerful and you cannot abolish them, but by your individual action you can reduce their power somewhat.
