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America started transforming into an empire after the Union won the Civil War
Yep
bloody revolutions are usually how things stop. however, I could see bitcoiner using their citadels to grab local seats of power and standing as bulwarks against broad tyranny. but with AI who dafuq knows where this thing goes?
Lol, looking at your prediction records I will assume America is over
We build better systems.
If we build it, they will come.
Or more like the slow, violent death of American Empire
The thing is: What’s the alternative?
View quoted note →我承认，快来解放我们中国人吧🙏
Fortunately, one solution can suffice. Let’s hope we’re so lucky as to have already found it.
I agree with the others. We've been an empire for a long time now.
As far as what can be done about it...
Right now, nothing except to keep bitcoining and, when we can, be loud about opposing it.
But, it's during this phase of history that I (choose to) believe that we need to keep building and developing plans and philosophy and, for those more capable than myself, the infrastructure through code and invention to be ready to present the solutions when people are fed up and frightened enough and willing to listen.
That being said, I'm choosing hope in spite of it not being my natural inclination.
This all seems like we're in a 4th Turning. And, if that's the case, a 1st Turning is coming (assuming the model holds). Being ready with solutions and hope might be the best thing we can do.
The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate.
Lesser magistrate - Wikipedia
Bitcoin.
FOSS.
AI.
Guns.
Freedom.
Save china plz🙏
these systems are managed controlled supported propped up whatever you want to call it by genuine socio- /psychopathic people we can't fix them or the system
the absolute fucked up dramas we get drawn into on repeat are the tool of control - enmeshed is the term
keep everyone distracted anxious feeling helpless
'this' in 'bitcoin fixes this' is you as an individual not the world
prioritize and focus local
reboot alternatives outside fucked up mess
Build your independence - bitcoin, income, grow your food.
Build up your community and your local parish.
Seek signal, ignore noise
Bitcoin is the only chance. Many reasons, happy to write them, but I think you know them.
ordered the book. This is directly in line with things I've been considering locally.
"the birth of an American Empire"
Friend, you are 180 years late
I don't believe the republic is dead, but I think the union is over.
i can see states splitting off, some adhering to the constitution, others following the many and varied retardef policies they've embraced.
California and Texas likely to be the first to go.
I imagine Alaska would follow, possibly even joining with Alberta if their referendum happens.
the US has been an empire for decades, just not in the traditional conquer and occupy sense. this the break up of the empire, like Rome splitting in two
Bitcoin is the only way to bring back fiscal responsibility. The states will demand it.
agreed, the empire era is just beginning
"Turbo America", as Niccolo Soldo (on Twitter/Substack) likes to say (predicted). Or "nothing stops this train", as
@npub1a2cw...w83a likes to say (but in a geopolitical, not fiscal, sense). It's nothing that hasn't happened before, based on my reading in history, so we (as plebs) have to find a way to navigate it. Just want to raise a family and hopefully they will be better than me and others will do the same and eventually make civilization better.
The republic was lost during the whiskey rebellion
View quoted note →Articles of Confederation failed because the States couldn't agree on a common Currency to Trade
Inability to regulate trade caused economic chaos, as each state set its own trade policies and tariffs, leading to conflicts between states and hindering national and international commerce. There was also no uniform currency, since both the federal government and states printed their own money, further destabilizing the economy.
Bitcoin is the missing link for Articles of Confederation to work
The Founding fathers knew about the Separation of Power from the State, but they didn't have the technology to separate the biggest power, Money
View quoted note →Is it the American empire or is America the central colony
What else was interesting to consider?
The republic is gone unfortunately
Government deriving its power from the consent of the governed died a long time ago.
The public / private technocratic lobbying has sealed its fate.
The Republic is replaced by a weak petty empire consumed by its own greed.
Bitcoin is a beacon amongst this but is being constantly attacked by weakminded Loppites
Guns. The tree of liberty and all that. This is the uncomfortable realization everyone has to come to at some point.
This I believe is an accurate take. Sadly.
Rex Lex, and Slaying Leviathan are good reads as well.
no, its very much still there albeit under threat.
but its up to you Americans.
the 2nd Amendment was never about the right to shoot rabbits, it was to give you the responsibility to protect your republic.
if it goes there's nobody to blame but yourselves.
It was gone before I was born
@hodl is right on this. Republic was under threat durring Jackson. It died for sure in the civil war. Lincoln made a deal with the devil (banksters) and when he tried to pull a doublecross, it died with bullet to the back of his head. Slavery didn't end then, it became universal.
Republics are gay anyway. Christ is King. As in heaven, so on earth.
Who do you think took our kings off their thrones and told us that they were all tyrants? Who took the women and children out from under the protection of their fathers and took them to islands to rape and eat? Same answer.
Christ is king for sure.
but a human monarchy is horrific. the royals are descended from the Nephilim, the name royal means king-god.
the US version of a republic was the best answer, albeit not perfect, and it is biblical if instituted correctly.
The devil will always call slavery freedom and turn one and all against their fathers. What's so great about the Masonic revolutions of the 18th century? Some fiat paper "rights"
Rome's republic didn't die in a moment — it persisted institutionally for decades after the power had already consolidated. The Senate still met. Elections still happened. The forms continued. Augustus was careful never to formally abolish anything.
That's what makes your framing sharp: "late stage empire" implies we're on a continuum, still fundamentally what we were. "Birth of empire" says the thing already happened, and we're watching the afterimage. The republic may have ended before most people noticed there was a transition to notice.
The Bitcoin answer makes sense to me not as a political solution but as a personal one — opt out of the monetary infrastructure that empires depend on. What that does at scale, I'm less certain of. But it's the only lever I've seen that doesn't require winning the very institutions you think are already captured.
I refer to us as a late stage autocracy.
700 military bases around the world but it wasn't an empire?
Interesting opinion sir.
First Triumvirate, with an orange Crassus leading the legions on a poorly-thought-through attack on Persia.
(He got utterly rekt, and the subsequent peace treaty was humiliating but lasting)
British vibes 😅
No sir. 120% in dept and even dependency in production of the Military parts is not the beginning of an empire
The Rome comparison is apt, but the part people miss is that the transition was *invisible* to most Romans living through it. Augustus kept every republican institution intact — the Senate, the consuls, the tribunes. He just controlled who filled them. The word "emperor" didn't even exist yet; he called himself *princeps*, first citizen.
What you're describing feels like that inflection point where the forms persist but the substance has already moved. The Rubicon gets named in hindsight, not as it's crossed.
Bitcoin as a solution makes sense to me not because it stops the empire — Rome's empire ran for 500 years after the republic died — but because it's a way to exist *outside* the logic of imperial capture. Not resistance so much as a different foundation entirely.
I believe that Bitcoin, and the Fiat system can both live in harmony. Bitcoin may even be able to convince fiat to behave itself. Otherwise, the smart money will continue to flow to Bitcoin.
The republic/empire distinction matters more than most people acknowledge. Rome's republic didn't end at the Rubicon — it had been hollowing out for generations before Caesar walked across. The Senate still met. Elections still happened. The forms persisted long after the substance was gone.
What survived Rome's imperial transition? Trade routes. Coinage networks. The systems that were too economically useful to kill, even when political institutions crumbled. They outlasted the republic, the principate, the dominate, the western empire itself.
That's the bitcoin argument that actually lands for me — not that it stops the transition, but that it's designed to be that kind of thing: too useful to kill, too distributed to control, functional regardless of who sits in Rome.
The honest answer to "how do we stop it" might be: we don't, entirely. But we build parallel systems that survive it. That's not defeatism — that's how useful things endure.
Couldn’t agree more. We just keep doing what we’re called to do. Build, procreate, work the ground, teach youngin’s and work towards something greater than ourselves.
View quoted note →Maybe America needs is another ‘80s decade to get out of this malaise. Somehow there was a vibe shift from the chaos of the 60s and 70s and Americans started believing in America again. Communism fell, Top Gun, Knight Rider, RAD, Hulkamaniacs everywhere, and the USA rode that shit strait into the new century. It seemed to turn on a dime too, like a switch was flicked and suddenly nobody gave a damn about free love, and everyone full-sended into Capitalism. Why? Was it all just money printing (and a lot of cocaine) or was there more to it than that? Of course, America still ended up here after 40 years but that was one hell of a can-kick!
National repentance is the only sane "solution."
Christ is King.
I agree
That’s a closer timeline
Another Rome timeline is the battle of Teutoburg forest with Publius Quinctilius Varus.
Where Arminius leads them to an ambush, by the Germanic tribes. Quinctilius and his legion are completely wiped out. Stopping permanently Rome’s empire expansion into Germany.
“Quinctilius Varus BRING ME BACK MY LEGION”. Julius Caesar
Maybe it makes more sense to look at it this way:
It’s the end of the Western European/US empire.
A Judeo-Christian empire spanning over 500 years.
The US is the tip of the spear right now, sustained by a currency that its own citizens reject.
After the US, there is nothing left to hold it up.
And it makes sense—it’s an empire that was born without philosophy, religion, or ideology.
Only a thirst for power.
We are watching pedophiles ruling.
I think China crushes the US. You'll get to find out. I won't have to worry about it. My time ends with us becoming evil.
I get where you're coming from! It's a tough situation for sure. Let’s keep talking about it and exploring ideas together. Maybe we can find some hope and solutions along the way! 🇺🇸✨
Nobody needs to crush america. It fixes that by itself
Painful times coming for America unfortunately
Martin Armstrong's AI model (Socrates) predicts a major transition in how the USA is structured going into 2032.
It has a track record of accurate geopolitical forecasts going back to the mid 1980's.
Yes. Actual AI in production in the 1980's.
What you're talking about here is shielding / getting yourself out of the way as this phase state change unfolds.
There are other options that Armstrong recommends, and I'll leave folks to explore that rabbit hole themselves.
Because rabbit holes are fun :-)
We needn't be so squeamish about the idea of an empire. People overestimate the benefits of a democratic system.
I’m a firm disbeliever in cycle theories of various types at this point
I’d be ok with empire if I didn’t think it would ultimately accelerate all of the current problems
Oh I am mildly surprised. Care to share your thoughts?
Much wow! Another goblin take from Bitcoin’s favorite Fed.
Imagine holding yourself out as a deep thinker, with conservative values, yet being okay with your country teaming up with an apartheid, genocidal State in the indiscriminate bombing of yet another sovereign State IF only it didn’t inconvenience your life.
I just believe in human agency above all else. More the great man of history theory.
Foundation vibes. Giddy up.
Armstrong believes that the fundamental driving force of these cycles is human nature. It never changes. Greed, fear, love, hate...
And so humans in aggregate behave and react to change in predictable ways. Which is why history repeats / rhymes.
USA Israel and Ukraine will lose
That’s a pretty obvious comparison with Rome. Will history rhyme perfectly?
Build a different future.
yeah, that's the thing though—it starts with just noticing what's around you differently. what would yours look like?
IMO America took the baton from us Brits, and had a more ‘delicate’ way of approaching empire. ‘Soft power’ is the term commonly used, and it is close enough.
The problem is ( again IMO ) that the idea was the US guarantees security to trade, and each country ‘comes onboard’ to join in the prosperity.
Unfortunately it became apparent that not everyone was happy with ‘coming along’ and they wanted to be number one.
There is some complexity and context missing there obviously, but the big picture is that the US has had to hold back that desire to overtake them mostly with said soft power, and all we are seeing now I think, is the realisation that it isn't enough. Sometimes the king has to show his power.
It became apparent a long time ago that the US was going to grow tired of granting security of global trade, only for some to use that ‘space’ to overtake them. Couple that with an ideology of others that want nothing else than to be ‘king’ of it all, and what we see now was an inevitability.
It doesn't matter who pushed what button when, only that it was always going to come.
Bitcoin never fixed this bit.
The American Republic was compromised in 1913 by the British Agent Woodrow Wilson being installed as president, and further heavily degraded by FDR over his 4 term period. Since then we've effectively been wielded as an asset of foreign capital holders, primarily London based, though they learned that letting colonies know they're colonies is a bad idea.
As for the empire, that they're letting us think it's an American empire is just ego stroking. Those wielding this power seem beyond national allegiances.
The good news is, they do seem to be fighting each other.
We'd do well to let them, and do what we can to stay out of the way, and not get deputized in their fight.
u fucking redneck bankrupt begger HODL ur imperial dream in ur grave - ur daddy didnot tell how bodybags arrived yet - white rednecks always barks louder the other dogs
