freedom of speech must be balanced with other human rights
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Balanced by whom?
Who is us?
How do you mean? Does freedom of speech clash with other human rights?
such as everything
words can also be used as weapons
it's not clear for me how that works, but ok
what do you think?
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Please elaborate.
No
So you are saying no to freedom of speech. People are responsible for how they react and act according to what they hear. That's where accountability needs to be put. Accountability needs to be based on people's non-verbal actions, not what they say or don't say.
Speech isn't violence. Not many people understand violence these days bc they've been raised with participation trophies, cry closets, and entitlements. Gen X was the last real generation of people who undestood that words don't mean shit unless you can back it up with an actual fist and we actually went outside and fought if we had to. How you take what someone else says is solely on you and you alone. People need to grow up.
Does anyone have a proposal to help this person limit free speech on nostr? ๐
Your logic is the exact same logic tyrants use to silence freedom of speech. To silence speech for any reason is to empower tyrants to oppress, imprison and kill those that keep them in check.
The word dog doesn't bite, ma'am.
NO
and donโt change the topic
Bad/dangerous take IMHO
No
We need a nanny state. A cabal that orders our being. We need adults with more wisdom to guide us. We are here for them.
I think consequences just need to be applied. A person is free to say "pedophilia is great!". Yay for freedom! Consequence, they are beaten to a pulp in the streets. Yay again!
what in the authoritarian crap is this
Hello. As an AMERICAN ๐บ๐ธ Veteran of foreign wars
#GFY
iโm not going to shut up
One who doesnโt know how dark and corrupt the world is โฆ hence why she tried to get me to go to Nashville TN. How do I know sheโs a fake? #ProofOfWork
Sheโs as bad as that Laura Doomer. At least Laura is honest about being a bought cuck to the ultra wealthy. ๐คฃ๐๐ปโโ๏ธ๐ซก
Sheโs getting told the truth.
You arenโt the one to be leading anyone. #FAX
Unless itโs a bunch of nerds who never go outside. Stay inside & do your cyber bullying & cyber warfare.
Let the real leaders and visionaries do the work you arenโt doing.
No. It must not.
Just like I should be able to have my own nuclear arsenal if I can afford it.
This is the way. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from repercussion.
Really hope this is a troll.
It takes all kinds... But some kinds really just can't get over how deep they are into worshipping the state, since, how else would their crap ideas be enforced.
Hard no.
Freedom of speech and expression. No cap, no limit.
The individual is the smallest minority.
It all comes down to personal responsibility and accountability.
โThese words have hurt me, please be more careful next time or just donโt say anything at all, unless you KNOW there will be no harmโ
This IS the slippery slope of tyranny. We can say whatever we want, you donโt have to listen
And who will make this balancing? Government? No, thanks!
thank you. we need all
Shut up.
You talk like a tyrant.
Please type some weapon words and I'll let you know how much they hurt me
Without absolute freedom of speech, how do we openly and honestly discuss those other rights?
Freaking commies are everywhere.
Legalize recreational plutonium
Yup.
The only acceptable "balance" to someone's human right to free speech is someone else's speech. If you think some speech is bad or wrong or dangerous or negative or whatever... you don't get to infringe on it by ANY means. The only thing ypu can do is counter it with more speech. That's the balance you are looking for. And yes, it's on all of us to bring that balance.
Even children in the '50s got this right:
"Sticks and stones
may break my bones,
but WORDS
can never hurt me."
A .45 held to your temple is not the same as spoken words, ever.
Anyway, you cannot silence enough of us. You'll have to try to kill us first, but be warned; Were aiming for /your/ chest and head as well.
You don't have any right to control me, or others, tyrant.
GFY.
YET ANOTHER
"Scary/Interesting" thread...
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Why did God allow Satan to speak to Eve in Genesis 3:1 ?!
How to anti-zap?
Muted lol
This is kind of a non-statement unless you enumerate what the other rights are that you are balancing against free speech. And perhaps share an example. As it is this just seems designed to provoke people who will assume you mean โXYZโ and they donโt agree with โXYZโ.
Here are some examples of free speech that perhaps you feel should be balanced to potentially convey what you mean:
1) Itโs 3:00am and you are standing on the sidewalk in a neighborhood with a loudspeaker shouting obscenities.
2) You have drawn a disturbing image on a large poster and walk around a school on the sidewalk during their recess period with the poster.
3) Your hobby is going into public spaces and pointing at random people and shouting โThey have a gun!โ Before running away acting terrified.
4) I write a sworn affidavit testifying to my witness of being harmed, but I just make the whole thing up.
Is this the kind of thing? If so this is already in place correct? Do you think more needs to be done?
back in the kitchen, bitch.
It's true that freedom of speech comes at the price of people being able to spread misinformation and say hurtful things. But that is a fair trade off compared to the alternative which is allowing a group of people the ability to dictate what can and can't be said. That power when wielded in the wrong hands has proven time and and time again throughout history to lead to authoritarianism, tyranny and suffering far greater than anything free speech can enable. And I completely disagree with you that an AGI ruler will make this better as they will be subject to the same biases or worse, biases we don't understand. Not to mention that we are very very far away from AGI.
When it comes to disinformation, the best cure against that is education. It's time we as a society stop outsourcing our thinking to others. We must take the time to continue our learning every day, only then can we maintain freedom of speech and combat misinformation. Not by letting a group of elites decide what is the Truthโข
I might disagree with you but Iโm willing to defend your right to speak whatever you might find peace with because I value freedom of speech. So, donโt shut up but feel free to show your ignorance as much as you like
Well said
Robotik replies....
By what mechanism do we achieve such balance
I am pretty sure that youโre looking for Facebook, you might be on a platform that you find uncomfortable.
Probably a group of government parasites
Disagree. Any censorship, no matter how sensible it may seem, leads to more and more censorship.
Censorship predominantly benefits those who wish to exert power over others. All ideas should be discussed openly.
Iโm from the UK and am watching my government change what is acceptable to say in real time, all under the guise of the common good, and what any sensible person would deem reasonable. Iโve never considered truly free speech as important as it is now
Iโve thought more on this. And go create that happy little fantasy world.
In all wars in world history, those who donโt demand their rights are first to die. Prepare.
What happened to your idea that blocking people is censorship? Sounds like you want the right to invade other people's spaces but to also be able to stop other people from talking, just not let anyone else do it to you.
If you think that blocking someone from your own feed or community is censorship from the platform, there is no reasoning with you. And if you want to never be blocked but have the ability to block others FROM MORE THAM JUST YOURSELF, then you are doubly effed in the head.
The idea that a benevolent ruler or AGI would police speech better than a decentralized network of free people in reality, is the animistic fallacy. She, like many others, is completely beholden to that and a number of other fallacious ideas that fail to respect the law of causality or her own accountability to the real conditions of life.
That's the only sensible thing you've said. It's good to speak. Keep doing it. That's how we learn. If one person ignores you or bans you, go somewhere else. You are in control of you. Do what you can to have debates and be heard.
2nd balances the 1st quite nicely, I think. ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ
1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th. Seems to be some nice balance and synergy there. Baked right in.
Free Speech doesn't work without the right to bear arms.
So are you ok with limited speech? If so, who get to determine what to limit?
just my BDE
free will and testing
Hey, you are free to join a privately run commune and do so. But don't coercively rope us in.
Good neighbors have tall walls.
yes. #bitcoin standard
no. i'm a real human being
#bitcoin protocol
Thank you for your cervix
youโre right
Brazil bans Twitter because it is "dangerous" and a "threat" to democracy.
Your logic is the excuse totalitarian tyrants use every single time.
The Nazi's ...
The Chinese during the Marxist takeover (Great Leap not-Foward, and the Chinese Cultural Destruction Revolution of the 60's) ...
The Russian's dyring the destruction under the Lenin Marxists ...
They all claimed speech to be "harmful", "dangerous" and a "threat" to democracy.
just follow
but donโt follow cowards. thatโs the trick
This is clearly making folks freak out- probably by design lol.
NO
Brazil bans Twitter bc Brazil pretends Twitter follows Brazil's LAW
and we are internet. we are beyond nation-statesโ isolated rules
we need new INT'L LAW
we the people
One has freedom of speech or not. It is a binary concept.
Horrible take.
The U.K. has been under fire for the last few months. But Americans under estimate the power of society over law, the power of people over government because reallyโฆ. Americans think they are sovereign when really they are the most caged animal of all humans. The U.K. have been producing poetry like this for decades. Youโre not even close:
But youโre so easy to laugh at ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
You are 100% free to say that here
I am 100% free to disagree
I won't decide what you can't say
You won't decide what I can't say
Those are the human rights that nostr was designed to protect
Satire?
Thereโs no such thing as online violence
Fuck off
Wow thatโs retarded
So you think the current balance between freedom of speech and other human rights, Iโll assume safety, needs to be improved by adopting the Bitcoin standard? Iโm not sure I follow.
she sure seems like a bot to me
Freedom of expression is not a human right. It is a natural right.
It is not granted by society, but by God.
No matter the infringement on this right, one can always practice it freely in some way, in private, or even in their own head.
Contrast this with a human right, something like safety. Safety is a human right, granted by society, and not a natural right granted by God.
Oneโs safety can be taken by another (although the right to defend oneself is natural), it can be taken by a criminal, the government, etc.
Freedom of expression is not the same, like the right to bear arms, one can attempt to infringe upon it, but the exercise of these natural rights can never be truly prevented.
words are the best arm ever
freedom of speech: meanings and limits
So you call for international censorship? In other posts you promote equity and equality.
This exactly is the socialist way to tyranny.
(On the other hand you write stuff like "smash the censorship cartel" ๐คท)
i call for Int'l standards
INTโL law
AGI treaty
this is beyond socialism
this is beyond capitalism
this is TECH-ISM
techism
technolism
technologism
( same thing )
i'm technologist
International standards for censorship still is international censorship.
Maybe I just don't get what you mean. But this is how I understand your wish.
The only international law on freedom of speech I'm in favor of is "thoughts, speech and written words are free and can't be challenged by law".
When someone says disgusting things, people will notice and for example block him. With this in mind, freedom of speech comes with the benefit of knowing who to embrace and who to avoid very easily.
(Of cause standing next to someone, screaming, following and harassing him is not just speech anymore...)