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Respect that some people need their walled gardens.
How is it powerful that I am forced to block mastodon accounts on a cunt-by-cunt basis? Something as simple as following a hashtag makes me look at and block shit that did not organically seek out a nostr audience.
You have the choice to do that. That's the difference π
Iβm still trying to figure out how to use it
So by making the choice to be on nostr and use npstr features that were created for nostr users, I have to subject myself to mastodon content that nobody asked for?
I actually have a BS account, now gotta reinstall the app and find myself again π€£
I mean, you realize that the product for 99% of users is the CONTENT, and forcing users to drink content from a mastodon firehouse degradssthe experience for most of us?
I see almost zero Mastodon content besides the half a dozen ones I follow. Maybe you need to find tune your relays and your feeds a bit more?
Cunt-by-cunt basis... lol. I love it
As long as we donβt have to read the far left pity me posts on there this could be ok.
I don't see these experiences.
We see far right notes. Now we have the worst of both worlds. Yay!
most of the bridges result in unwelcome connections that people treat as spam.
building simple bridges is pretty straightforward. building ones that make sense for context disparate organized groups is not.
its often a solution in search of a problem
IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME
some would say.. the burden to do that.
we also need to make it easier to empower users to form their own algorithmic filters.
embrace extend extinguish π
I like to think of it as not creating a bridge for nostr user to blusky but rather a bridge for bluesky users to #Nostr.
Let the best protocol win.
View quoted note βTHE GERMANS ARE COMING, THE GERMANS ARE COMING!!
THE GERMANS LOST ALREADY
They sold π©
NOTHING IS OVER UNTIL WE DECIDE IT IS!!
I believe this goes back to relay management. I only see the npubs I follow across the bridge for the most part. I rarely see spam. We need more robust clients to help users configure their feeds properly. Otherwise if left unchecked, I agree and you're absolutely correct.
I love this movie π«π
If nothing holds you back, that means you don't have enough of a brain to be held back by your own intelligence.
By contributing to bluesky's growth and overall strength, you help limit the reach of everyone who doesn't or can't have similar access to bluesky - such as me, being permanently banned from bluesky. You are undermining nostr users and the concept of decentralized, censorship resistant social media itself.
Every bridge we build to alternative platforms is a Trojan horse
We should build bridges everywhere
"Embrase extend extinguish" is exactly what people like Gleason are trying to do to nostr
If you didn't build it, they'd come more
Question dodging retard
The question is how the fuck is that preferable, asshole?
Why not let us be done with this bullshit? Why not build the tools for us to be done with this bullshit instead of building shit that makes it worse while those tools are still needed?
How the fuck are you pretending you can't understand the question here you gaslighting piece of shit?
Do you fucking lack object permanence?
Every time someone connects with a desired contact across decentralized networks, all such networks are strengthened and the corpocentric networks are weakened.
I wish more Nostr and more Fediverse people understood this.
> cunt-by-cunt basis
While Derek Ross gaslights us about why we should continue wasting time on shit other than resisting censorship, northern Gaza is still reeling from the loss of its last hospital and babies are probably still freezing to death in tents there.
Bluesky and the fediverse are corpocentric. Strengthening them at the cost of nostr does the opposite of what you seem to think
We already have the tools. I'm going to use one of them right now. Watch.
OK, show me.
You can't because we don't have them you fucking retard.
Nice gaslighting attempt though, I'm sure your retarded allies will eat it up.
Doh. Figures π€£
Ignorance is what doesn't allow them to be built.
ODELL
NOTES WILL BE LINKED EVERYWHERE.
NOSTR IS THE CENTER OF THE DIGITAL UNIVERSE.
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Except they are not on Nostr, they are still in another platform, if we had a bridge to Twitter and we were all still posting on Twitter and posts would come up still on Nostr is it a win? Do we want a bridge from FB to Nostr? lol. Each platform, open or not, has its own culture if people want to be on Nostr they should create an npub.
A measly 300 characters.
I think I will copy what BridgyFed does, which is to truncate the post but include a link to the full post.
So what I want to know is why? Why is it a good idea? Are these bridges from our Nostr accounts to other platforms or vice-versa? If vice-versa then why? Why would you give someone the ability to use and at the same time not use the actual network Nostr is. Allowing someone to post from say, Twitter, to Nostr just prolongs Twitter use IMHO.
Just trying to understand is all
It's not a good idea. The goal is to limit my reach and maybe yours since you sound like maybe you can do critical thinking
How would the reach of our Nostr notes, etc be limited by bridging? I mean those platforms that do ban and moderate heavily could block my notes from their platform, but they can't limit my reach on Nostr. Sorry, I'm the slow kid in class lol
This delays or prevents shrinking of Bluesky's user base by people moving to nostr.
Meanwhile, those people continuing to be on bluesky do not have any chance of seeing my posts as they would on nostr, since Bluesky has me permanently banned
There's also the spam issue these bridges create within nostr itself, as
@Rich Nost replied about here, triggering Derek Ross to go on a gaslighting spam reply spree in the attached subthread
View quoted note βThanks for the follow ups. So, the SPAM would make Global spammier basically making it hard to find new interesting people who are actually using the Nostr network is pretty much what you're saying? I mean I can choose not to look at the global feed, but I do understand if you wanted to find new folks outside your network then it would be sloppy as all get out I guess
π
It's not a "would" thing; these bridges are one of the reasons nostr sucks right now, as Rich Nost described. Tons of nostr users who would find my content without this spam to dig through don't; tons of non nostr users who would find my content without this spam to dig through driving them off nostr, also don't; there are surely nostr users making good posts I don't find because of this spam; there are surely good posters not using nostr for me to find because of this spam; Gleason doesn't seem to give a fuck whether Digit is alive or dead, much less whether I can find anyone to work with on any of my work, so he keeps trying to make this worse instead of admitting he's done anything wrong.
And this is all aside from the issue that strengthening Bluesky, which has bans, delays/prevents movement to nostr, which doesn't have bans.
Far right posts to some would be just posting the actual truth instead of the lies the blue sheep were fed for years and were told they were conspiracies.
I am sure all the truth being exposed to the sheltered is hard to take for some.
Hopefully your not one of those....
"... Open protocols are far superior to centralized, closed platforms..."
Derek Ross
Some might wonder why Nostr needs a bridge to Bluesky or the Fediverse, but that's not the right question. The real question is: whatβs holding us back from building them? Open protocols are far superior to centralized, closed platforms. Nostr is powerful.
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I donβt like that bridging thing. It feels somehow too filthy π
Bluesky has a central corporation (supposedly a 'public benefit corp') in control, but the Fediverse doesn't.
I understand that you don't like it, but the "enemy" is big corporate controlled social like Twitter and Facebook, not a bunch of smaller federated and distributed social sites. So being able to connect to desired contacts outside those big sites helps remove the "you need a Facebook account or no one can communicate with you" issue.
The fediverse is controlled by many corporations instead of just one.
I don't care what your "enemy" is, you are my enemy if you support the use of technology to limit my reach while I'm trying to find out if Digit is alive.
Nearly all of the thousands of Fediverse instances are hosted and funded by individuals out of their own pockets.
There are lots of issues there, just as there are lots of issies here. It doesn't mean that I'm not going to celebrate every time I make a contact across decentralized networks instead of having to join big corporate socials to reach my contacts.
If you can't see the benefit, that's only an issue for you. When you have to run back to TwitFaceGram because you need to connect with someone that isn't here, you'll understand.
There is no benefit. The protocol isn't designed to allow decentralization. It will always be controlled by authorities
That's a horrible language. That's an unfollow. Thanks for linking to that so I could have seen it. And all the best with Digit. But I'm out
Good riddance
