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@ODELL has claimed all along… it’s probably less about the money then it is tying an advertising target to your KYC profile from the payment.
+ The KYC
Can we start blaming jack for these problems since he was the guy in charge when Twitter went to shit?
Right. I'm curious what payment methods will be allowed here. There's a real possibility that you won't be able to be anonymous on Twitter any longer.
Twitter went to shit long after Jack stepped down.
Was Twitter ever free or are their users the product being sold?
What?
Twitter went to shit when jack was still ceo.
Twitter was shit before Elon took over.
Having sold users products though, gallows
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New users? Which new users? 😏
It is technically only for brand new users in two countries. BUT, it will most likely expand to more coutnries first, then EXISTING users in those countries.
Right. If you want to get into semantics here, your data was the product and that came at a personal cost. I'm specifically talking about monetary cost here.
It sets a bad precedent. It will happen.
I'd be curious on this as well.
This is the big question
It is not about the money, it is the KYC, once you start paying they will know exactly who you are and when you are banned on TWTR, you are put on a list that can be passed around and get you banned everywhere else. 1984 is just around the corner
it's not the money it's the government issued id and other KYC information he wants to collect
It’s more than that. It’s surveillance and mandatory kyc
Absolutely! I wouldn't be surprised at all if other social media platforms are working on something similar.
The AI neurolink chip in our brain dude wants us to pay to give up our personal and financial data to his social media platform.
How about no?
Twitter hasn't been a public town square since Elon took over and de facto shadow-banned all non-KYC'ed users, aka blue checks.
The "For You" algo is broken beyond repairs, and all discussions to have our own "custom" algos vanished.
The $1 "test run" to limit bots is laughable in an era where VPNs can be accessed for free. On top of that, many scams come from blue-checked accounts, and 90% of my ads are blue-checked scams.
Lastly, money is dished out to "influencers" based on engagement, but there is no auditable record to see how much, when and why money was sent to whom. Thus it's possible these payouts are used to mute/amplify/buy-out certain people.
I see your point. 🤙
The difference between spending $1 for X and receiving $1 on Nostr is $2 ☝️!
All facts.
Yeah, totally. It’s cool to watch. Not really a new feature, but looking to upgrayedd
Twitter has been broken for years, but in various ways pre- and post-Melon.
The irony of the whole debacle is while actual product development and innovation on Twitter / "X" is at an all time high, it's Melon's repeated, unilateral and impulsive meddling that's creating a lot of uncertainty around the future of the platform.
I don't understand what Elon tried to do with Twitter. Maybe just fuck you money to spite those who tried to silence him.
That, amplified by the fact that one of the major current backers of "X" is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, which is in lukewarm water for having assassinated a US jounalist two years ago.
Does anyone here have any illusions of whether the KSA co-owners (and other shady individuals?) have privileged access to the userbase info (email addy, phone no, device fingerprints, IPs etc)?
I'm hoping as Nostr grows we have more clients adopt gossip so we don't have popular relays.
Information is both valuable, and in the long run, it can make one powerful or dangerous.
Can I Zap ot not? Call me if Twitter will use Nostr protocol.
A larger user base will bring more possibilities and opportunities. Who knows, maybe it'll follow the same évolution as the bitcoin mining industry? And perhaps there'll even be an L2 as well! Ah ah... Why not actually?
It will help with bots and CSAM (a high percentage of the CSAM bots and various types of CSE distributed on X are from those areas) without requiring an ID (for now) CSE Bots typically sell/distribute the CSE links with 5k-15k abuse images/videos.
It’s for new accounts so this targets those issues specifically. When they remove accounts new accounts will face a bit of friction returning. They will probably change their tactics as a result of the credit card and the $1.
There was an issue going on last month with bots tweeting CSAM links 100 times per minute under a hashtag used for a word that most folks use everyday. This has happened previously, not just under Elons leadership. (I’m not at liberty to discuss that specific situation any further in public)
I’d rather have them do the credit card over ID but required ID is coming either way, globally.
On the flip side, I don’t like it from a broader human rights perspective. Everyone doesn’t have a credit card and I believe those individuals still deserve an opportunity to speak and I don’t trust X to keep that credit card information safe. Grateful that Nostr exists!
If nostr gets to the size of X or anywhere near it there will be similar problems, unfortunately.
Instead of looking at the situation and thinking about X, I’m looking at it like, “If CSE bot farms leave X because it becomes too costly or dangerous where will they go? Will they come to Nostr? Is Nostr prepared for the problem?”
I don’t think that the CSE bots will come to Nostr right now because there aren’t enough active users… yet. No shade. I hope that I’m right about that one. I might not be tho.
Custom Algos are a pipedream,
Imagine paying for that pile of garbage just to get tracked and provoked so you are more likely to buy crap you don’t need. 🤷♂️
We need to ready nostr clients to capture the fallout from X. Let’s make clients more user friendly and less bitcoin-y. Not touching the zaps of course. Though I’d like to see a client also try making that an opt in feature just to a/b test the impact
It's a scam to get you to KYC, and use against you, when the time comes, things you've said or not said.
User friendliest is our largest hurdle right now.
Oops. How do Nostr?
View quoted note →I don't think they are a pipedream for Nostr. Developers continually discuss having an algorithm store and/or creating your own for your experience on Nostr.
You do not have to use a paid relay. But let's say for some reason all relays become paid to combat bots like you mentioned. If that happens, at least it won't be an attempt to KYC all users. Nostr allows you to be anonymous. X on the other hand very well may make it impossible to be anonymous. I just don't see this happening though. We will always have a value for value model.
He wants people to love him. It was fuck you money and ego money all in one. IMO.
I just don't understand the benefit outside of just managing your follow list & then have selective filtering.
Agree. Onboarding is still not much better than when I joined in December.
I’ve onboarded maybe 12-15 people by now and it’s not straightforward to get all the bits and pieces needed for newbies.
My data (in particular my personal information) is worth a lot more than $1. Imo this has zero to do with ridding X of bots. A bot network operator will happily pay $1 to continue with their spam or scam. This is about collecting personal information and tying a users RL information to their content ultimately resulting in easy localisation when the nospeech gestapo comes looking for you.
we'll need storage space, lots of it :)
can you grab the plain text from that link? Content stuck behind the sites paywall.
I agree with you on being able to remain anonymous on Nostr, which is a huge advantage.
I strongly disagree with the paid relay idea. By all means, tip your favorite relay if you want to, but I don't see how paid relays are much better than what X is trying to do, KYC to the side.
Yes is true besides the measly 4000 sats
Don't disrespect #Bitcoin like that 🫡
You mean the golden 4000 sats
thank you Derek!
They're already an opt-in feature. They don't work until you opt-in by connecting your lightning wallet
There's a significant learning curve even for the tech savvy
It’s also not KYC’d. The Nostr 👍
No way in hell would I pay to tweet… like you said it’s a gateway to charging more. They are seeing what they can get away with…
It hasn't been a public square since all the censorship during covid
And about having you ‘onboarded’ and identified onto their new payments platform
Terrible idea to Charge a dollar. If it happens Twitter Will fail slowly but surely
Yoo Bitcoin apostle! I remember you from sovryn. Keep well bro.
KYC without saying it's KYC
Yooo!! What’s up! Glad you made here!!
Just being able to set easily basic shit like:
“Show me the 10 most zapped notes of my follows+2, since 48 hours.
Or
“Show me the 50 most liked post from my followers over the past month.”
Would be infinitely better than any blackboxed algorithm.
Paying 1 dollar with a credit card = KYCed
Good morning
View quoted note →Relay operators are going to have to start charging eventually (or something has to change). There's no other way to monetize this platform. @Jack can't subsidize development etc forever (unless he wants to).
Still can’t kill the users on random
I remember Will or someone mentioning that he was paying something like $600 monthly just got the Damus relay. That's not including development of the app.
And lets not talk about storage cost
But people don’t want to pay for the experience.
People want to earn cash for their time spent on any platform.
Not a valid argument to charge someone for their content.
Since the platforms need the content to exist.
That’s a fallacy
Something someone petty and deviant would have as business model.
People want to earn cash for their time
But there is no acceptance for killing civilians on random at that.
The moment I am required to pay $1, is the moment I delete the account.
Elon: “It’s the only way I can think of to combat vast armies of bots.”
Paying customer:
Bingo.
Solving bots is easy: New users by invite only.
Existing user vouches for a new user. If that user is a bot, the bot account AND the user who invited it get banned. So invite carefully! System becomes self-policing and no KYC.
KYC is the whole reason X is doing it
Many ways to solve bots. Nostr has nip5 for example. Xitter is not earnestly trying to solve the bot problem. They need it to sell KYC
precisely and with the way governments are extending their reach to control the information on social media it's just an excuse to get your information for the nospeech police.
