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This directly contradicts my public school experience.
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Chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility.
Obedience is virtuous. As is lawful disobedience. The question is always "By what standard?"
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Yes. Unless it’s obedience to God.
Negative. Living in alignment with God is not about obedience. If your church taught you this, I would suggest getting a different church.
Counter argument:
Obedience to truth, obedience to God, those are virtues.
Obedience to anything else is idolatry.
Living in alignment is obedience. God through the new and Old Testament is portrayed as Lord/King. He’s the only just and truly loving king, the only one worth fully obeying.
I think I get what you're trying to say: God doesn't want that kind of relationship with us. He wants to have a loving relationship.
But I think that relationship also involves following him as leader. And sometimes that involves obedience.
I'd repost this but you have more than 66,000 followers and you should probably be engaging with the engagement you already get instead of continuing to engagement farm
Obedience /= lack of personal autonomy. God is a benevolent creator who encourages curiosity and creativity. He’s not a Hitler-like figure. So obedience is usually just doing good and beautiful things. As we see what the world is really about, giving sacrificially to the poor or laying down our lives for others becomes a joy rather than an obligation. So obedience leads to true freedom to be in alignment with how we were created.
Example: God says take care of your body. When we eat Cheetos and watch porn, it seems mean that he “deprives” us by saying not to. But when we give it up we find deeper health and relationships. Obedience -> true freedom
One does not obey a good leader. One follows their lead. Obedience is the blind acceptance of whatever they say, even when it contradicts what they do. The Bible even mentions that the ones who are true “struggle with God,” in other words they argue and fight with themselves over what is right, in finding the truth.
The church as an institution has bastardized the true message and turned it into a way to get people to listen to the church. When the virtues of the Bible would explicitly demand you question them.
You are repeating rhetoric from the church, not practical virtues. All those amount to is “stop listening to your conscience and do what you are told by your ruler.” That, imo, is not at all how to live in alignment with God. It certainly wasn’t the example that Jesus provided.
That’s a false dichotomy. Obeying God is in alignment with conscience. I didn’t learn that from a church. Like I said, Jesus said that people who want to follow him would call him Lord. Do you obey a lord? Where are you getting your assertion that God doesn’t require obedience? He’s all knowing and all-loving so I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that obeying him is a scary concept.
US standing by war crimes and genocide.
It's a business decision.
If a leader (aka an excellent doctor) says “stop doing this or you’ll be in more pain” you can choose to obey or not. If a father commands a child to not run in the road, he’s not a tyrant. God, knowing us better than a doctor or father, tells us what to do. That’s not mean. The only wrestling we need to do is trying to get out of the way of the stupid and evil ideas in us and around us and learn to listen to the father/lord/leader.
On the assumption that God is smarter and wiser than me, there are things that he comprehends that, not only do I not comprehend, I'm incapable of comprehension. And on the assumption that he is good, sometimes obedience is what is called for from God.
God being both perfectly wise AND perfectly good, while I am imperfect in both those areas. Obedience to him different than obedience to humans.
Analogously: you probably do this in all sorts of areas. I suspect if I were to give you a ride in my airplane, you'd defer to my wisdom on how to safely land. Is that deference different than obedience?
gm. I agree, but how do I teach this to my kids. They need to obey when they are young or else we have chaos. Ideas?
OBEY, verb transitive [Latin obedio; Gr.]
1. To comply with the commands, orders or instructions of a superior, or with the requirements of law, moral, political or municipal; to do that which is commanded or required, or to forbear doing that which is prohibited.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord. Ephesians 6:1.
Servants, obey in all things your masters. Colossians 3:20.
He who has learned to obey will know how to command.
2. To submit to the government of; to be ruled by.
All Israel obeyed Song of Solomon 1:1Chron. 29. Daniel 7:27.
3. To submit to the direction or control of. Seamen say, the ship will not obey the helm.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Romans 6:12. James 3:3.
4. To yield to the impulse, power or operation of; as, to obey stimulus.
Relentless time, destroying power, whom stone and brass obey
Amen!
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This probably stems from you and I having a very different idea of what God is, and also what the church is. And unfortunately going into hours-long threads regarding what I think about that isn't on my to do list today. So maybe at some point in the future. 🫡
*Alignment* with the truth. Alignment with God (but I repeat myself). Are Virtues.
Obedience to *anything* is idolatry.
What’s arachno Christian?
I assume you meant Anarcho Christian and not arachno Christian.
The former and someone who is an anarchist and a Christian. Summarized by: No King but Christ.
The latter sounds like a Christian superhero spinoff.
so, obedience to God and His Law is idolatry?
you, rather, will be happy to get into "alignment" with God and His Law and therefore be spared of the charge?
lol "alignment" ... i imagine you flexing your perineum while bloviating thusly...
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at the same time people can't recognize modern fascism
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