Why everything has to be a conspiracy? The food industry is so evil that the CEOs sat down and hatched a plan how to make us all sick, probably buying stock in drug companies to fix it?
This sloppy thinking does not pass through the razors. It is complicated (Occam's razor) and much better explained by stupidity (Hanlon's razor) than malice.
People are confused by this, because they see emergent behavior. Yes, everything has sugar, because sugar sells. There's no conspiracy, the companies are selling people what they want. So don't want what is not good for you.
I know that it's much more fun to believe that there's an evil with a face and name causing all our troubles rather than saying people demand this and market supplies.
People can't agree on a date of a meeting with five people. But world wide conspiracy flourishes, it's kept mostly secret (except of you, right? You're one of the few that know about it, because someone tweeted about it).
Conspiracies are for people who want to complain and find whose fault something is. Much better approach for each individual - identify what's good for you and demand it. And don't get fooled by emergent behavior in complex systems. It might feel planned, but it just appears out of trillions of interactions. Yes, it's magic. Soros, Gates and Klaus don't have much more say in it than you do.
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💯 “identify what's good for you and demand it” = PoW
Soros, Gates, Klaus funded the opps but I get it.
When people have shared interests they don't need to conspire.
This is the most plausible explanation for sure. But that doesn’t mean that there are no conspiracies. Incentives to conspire also occur by emergent behaviour.
So does the recently new field of behavioural science, that studies how big groups of people behave to different stimuli.
Then there’s the iron law of institutions and the fact that all these powerful people do actually meet up frequently, are obsessed with influencing behaviour and all seem to have aligned incentives to increase the power they already enjoy.
So yes, let’s not get fooled by randomness. But let’s not dismiss the fact that conspiracies are also a natural part of
You must be a WEF agent on a mission to spread anticonspiracies!
… a natural part of life. Posted too soon 😂
Few would claim that *everything* is a conspiracy, but when powerful people work together, they inevitably take action without letting everyone know.
Sugar, fat and salt. Hit the right ratio and you have created a powerful drug. The intent is not to make you sick, just hooked. The result is you get sick.
Equally silly would be to believe that everything is an emergent phenomenon.
It’s always “just a coincidence”, until the facts start coming out and the conspiracies are confirmed.
Exactly! Think conspiracies are just wild theories? Take a closer look at the everyday. The fast food industry has carefully crafted products high in sugars and salts to keep us coming back for more. The tech world has meticulously designed features and interfaces that tap into our psychology to boost screen time—they even wrote books on it. These aren’t just ideas; they’re real-world examples of coordinated efforts. Conspiracies, it turns out, can be hiding in plain sight.
Well put. Incentives matter, incentives make actors turn in the same direction. Emergent behavior guided by incentives
Dear God do you need to watch about 500 Jake Tran videos...
Often with emergent phenomena, we can't really tell why exactly something happened, in a level of detail.
Why did Bitcoin trade at a certain price yesterday? There are many inputs coming to this, but real answer is that supply and demand met at a certain price. Everything else is guesswork and storytelling. There might be some truth to it, but it still only is a tiny thing that influenced the price. The price in this case is the information. That's the output of the inquiry, yet people still seek stories.
Some people have motives to sell us more food or sell our attention. Other people sell healthy food, information on how unhealthy the food is. Some platforms are designed not to grab our attention and sell it. For every force there is a counterforce in the market. Everyone is discovering what works for them.
This world view of evil conspirators trying to kill us takes away our responsibility. No one is forcing me to use big social or eat seed oils. They have business plans, I have my plans.
It is all more like a bazaar, yet people seem to imply there's a single hierarchy with a plan. Even the big corporations and states compete with each other.
Emergent behavior is not coincidence
It is by definition in complex systems. That does not mean that parts of it are not intentional, only that it is the result of many interactions of parts of a complex system.
Economy is a complex system.
ESG is profit motive - it is pure regulatory capture.
And why would you want to get hooked? You can get hooked on heroin, are you a customer of a heroin dealer? Probably not.
There always need to be two sides of a deal. It would be evil if you had to buy their product. But we don't.
My application is still pending. They need 584 more stamps
There are conspiracies. One very famous and well documented is demonetization of silver.
Not only they don't share all interests, they all want more power, which is a zero sum game, but also their strategy to reach their individual goals differ.
But yes, there's emergent phenomena even there
Kellog’s conspired to replace meat and eggs with cereal, so people would masturbate less. Rockefeller conspired, bought, shamed and schooled away natural medicine because he found a way to patent drugs from his oil reserves. Reality is not black or white, it’s more complex than we can imagine. But to think there isn’t conspiracies, or to attack those interested in them, is taking the simple way out.
”The only good is knowledge.
The only evil is ignorance.”
Trudeau conducts a lot of business behind secret closed door meetings. I dont doubt that hes stupid but what is he doing behind closed doors? Discussing his favorite recipe? Or is he maliciously conspiring against me?
Why would a dealer (food) want its customer to get hooked?
I never tried heroin. If I did, I’d be probably hooked by now.
We are wired to take advantage of (naturally rare) food that packs high amount of sugar/fat/salt. We feast on it as much as we can because it used to be rare. Honey is a good example.
As to buying their products… YOU don’t. I don’t (anymore) but what about the other 8 or so billion people on the planet?
Imagine I got you hooked to heroin as a kid…
Everyone is responsible for their actions. And every trade has two sides.
If I was hooked on heroin as a kid, I would blame my parents more than the dealer. I have even less strict attitude towards food companies.
They are offering and I am choosing, I am very picky and I am at the driver's seat of my life.
I don't know about other people, maybe they are happy the way there are. If not, it's only them who can change their lives, not even their friends and definitely not the companies.
What about all the other meetings behind closed doors. Who wins, whose conspiracy will win?
Because of computational irreducibility (Wolfram), we don't know, we have to let everything play out. All the people behind closed doors have their plans, and even that they have a lot of power on paper, we actually have huge leverage. It is super hard to control many (and there are many competing for the control), yet we can easily figure out how not to be controlled.
Yet I don't eat cereals, eat meet and eggs, and I definitely use many natural medicines.
Condpirators vs Juraj 0:2
I feel it's very good I have no idea what you are talking about.
Truth is in the middleground. Probably most of the times.
It is true for example that basically 99% of the doctors in the world will tell you red meat and saturated fats will kill you, and you should instead eat cereals, and that cholesterol, any kind, is also going to kill you dead... how much do you think that influences the daily food choices of average people? I think very.
Who trains doctors into spreading such massive bullshit?
Who trains the trainers?
It does not cut it's own throat. It works the same way as other standards - it is taking out competition. Access to loans is only late addition, although it by itself is enough motive in fiat economy. Getting access to money printer for negative interest rate is worth a lot of money, sure they can hire a few people to write some ESG bullshit paperwork, it's cheaper than whatever they make on interest only.
But the real thing is capture of the market. Big corporations enforce this bullshit through network effects. Want to be a supplier to IBM? Sure, show them your ESG project. Want to do consulting for a bank? Oh sorry mate, even though you are single contractor, we can't accept suppliers without ESG. Because we want to keep our ESG certificate too and if we contract with non ESG entities, we lose it.
Basically ESG is creating special market with privileged access with cheap credit and cheap competitors out. And they get preferred access to money printed by the state (budget)
But who chooses the doctor? Why would you choose a bad doctor?
Why aren't people alkaline in their bodies? We know now how to starve (manage) cancer.
Easy answer, there are no economic insensitives to inform people how to change their life styles.
The profits in high-carb and sugar foods and subsequent the pharmaceutical treatments needed to fix the decease they cause are just enormous.
Yes, everything is not conspiracies. But to think there are none is pretty ignorant.
Emergent systems are fascinating, and the participants are still responsible for their actions. Instead of making immoral choices and claim that "everyone else does it".
The people you mention have much greater opportunity to influence the system than others. And they do it behind closed doors. Harmful or unlawful?
From Oxford Languages:
"a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."
Yesss!
Now do Covid conspiracies, please!
Pfizer hiding evidence for 75 years.
For your safety!
I’d blame my parents AND the dealer. Even more so when the dealer has access to information proving that what he is doing is harmful to a child. Everyone is responsible.
Let me put it this way… congratulations for your judgment and self control. I wish you to look at those who are still lost with compassion.
But are they lost?
I don't know their priorities in life. I don't believe everyone should live as I do. Maybe they prefer shorter but sweeter life, maybe it's worth it for them. Maybe they are not ready yet.
