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jack 2 years ago
we had terrible onboarding. so bad that we created a manual "suggested users" list, which was effectively king-making. the verified badge followed. all centralized, manual, inherently biased decisions. search is the only thing that really scaled, and really mattered. more investment in that would have dramatically changed things for the better at Twitter. this is still the case. the only thing the centralized internet (google, reddit, Facebook, twitter) solved was the discovery problem. solving that for decentralized protocols is a massive win for the free internet. View quoted note β†’

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And the search came from a company, Summize, which had a real time social search engine which they launched using twitter data. It really made twitter work. Buying summize was one of the critical early decisions at twitter which has been forgotten but was so important.
Can a search index of post content be decentralized yet reliable and fast? Is the index the right place to slice the problem? Is a centralized search service the only practical solution? I agree search is essential, and at present the search available in amethyst is great but unpredictable.
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TheZenLlama 2 years ago
Nostr is so cool, if you decide to dev something, you will FOMO on other tools πŸ˜‚
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frphank 2 years ago
Concur. But calling discovery the "only" problem that centralization solved makes it sound like a minor problem. It's the principle obstacle. Start with discovery first when you take on the decentralization challenge.
Isn't this still a problem? The first thing people usually see is Jack when coming to Nostr, and fumbling their way through clients. If I didn't know better - I would assume he's the king of Nostr. The ability to discover things is... Moving slowly. But at least it's moving. NGL... A lot of people only stay because of "celebrities" - basically Jack and Snowden. And others use them like a small shield of clout protecting parts of their slow progress from ridicule. "Oh this sux..." "Yeah but we got rich and famous people that might talk to you to keep it alive." That's terrible. Not sustainable. (Imo) -- personally, I mostly stay because it's not mainstream, and the 'like' buttons can be any emoji... And it's not character limited. View quoted note β†’
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Alan Siefert 2 years ago
I wonder if nostr search should still be centralized for its efficiency advantages, but completely open source so that anyone could spin up an alternative at any time.
100%. Search indexing and seo for nostr content does basically not exist. While we're worried about how to increase discoverability ON nostr we're not paying attention of discoverability OF nostr itself.
If we start indexing the web based clients will get negative score by the crawlers for "duplicate content". This will be something very interesting to watch and a b..ch to solve. Whichever client gets notes indexed first will get positive score and each client after that negative score.
I'm still a relatively new developer. Beyond algorithms, what resources would to recommend to someone like me to study so try to contribute you this area?
NOSTR struggles primarily due to weak network effects and nuanced benefits. Although I think it achieves its goal perfectly as a protocol for freedom centric communication. We have to be careful what we wish for - sometimes things are amazing just the way they are.
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