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Learned helplessness, by design
It’s tough because for decades, we (Americans) have been told how cruel and evil the Iranian regime has been - torture, mutilation, suppressing women, you name it. I have no reason to believe that was all a lie.
That alone is not justification to start an overseas war, but it does allow some level of acceptance for taking out these monsters. And then add on the nuclear threat (if legitimate).
It’s also tough because in the modern day, it’s near impossible to know what is and is not real. There is no comparison to prior Middle East conflicts where that was true (at least to this degree).
So at least for me, it’s a mix of being glad these evil dictators are being eliminated, hopeful their nuclear capabilities are being destroyed, seeing the devastation on the general population, not knowing what is real, and generally being anti-war.
Very strange times.
Social media shorts are effective mind rapers
I think no one is surprised anymore
you are not on X , i assumed . there everyday about war in iran ,all resist and people are screaming .
because of that i come to nosr and find my peace here on Nostr
This time it is different
I thought anti-regime protesters wanted Trump and Bibi to come liberate them?
I am on X, most people I follow are not posting about this
I think most people are like well… “what can I do about it anyways”
It boggles my mind that so many people are so sympathetic to psycho goat fucking child molesting terrorists. 🤷♂️ My Iranian friend is thrilled that his dictator was dethroned.
I have an Iranian friend that would set you straight again. Not EVERYTHING is a lie. Especially when it comes to Islam.
The dictatorship is awful but so far all we did was replace him with his ostensibly worse son
If you own the media, you can control which news gets highlights and which don't.
Wars, in my believes, serve multiple purposes. Namingly, wealth transfer, depopulation, regime changes, more control and others.
I believe we got to the point where people understand as it is so obvious as they nomore care to even hide it. They just don't care about what people want, they want obedience and control. After they achieve their goals they will make it look like they care about the people again. And the loop will continue.
If we cannot change the current system, we should participate in building a parallel one for us.
Some of the biggest protests in US history were against the war on terror and there was no resulting benefit. A lot of the anger wound up electing Trump and now here we are again. Protests don't seem to have any impact, only changing our personal actions and pursuing political vengeance seems to deliver anything resembling change at this moment.
I wouldn’t say the protests had no impact
The war played some role in people electing Obama as an ostensible anti war candidate
Did electing Obama change anything in regards to wars?
We certainly thought it would! Hindsight is 20/20
Yeah, so that's why more and more people get disillusioned and stop trying. There is no difference between the parties. All the politics is smoke and mirrors and who knows for how long already. The protests might break out when the draft will start, though.
Maciek
True.
But the wording seems a little bit off to me.
Troubling? Appalling!
Intervetionism? Countless crimes!
It's not some policies. It's the most powerful mafia in human history. Using war, coercion, propaganda and fiat to extract wealth from their fellow citizens and everyone else in the world.
It is not policing the world. It's extorting it.
To be able to stay in power, they need to keep the fiat scheme alive, and the best way to do that is to continue and double down on violence. They don't even care about some plausible fake reasons for the public anymore. The public is no longer a threat for them.
You've got oil or precious minerals? You're in trouble. Comply and pay the bandits a heavy tribute or die and be replaced.
Migrants? Crises? Who cares? Not them. They don't give a damn about the consequences for the sheep. Why would they care? Why would they prefer the wellbeing of their fellow citizens above others? They care only about themselves.
The politics, the parties, the elections are all utter bullshit, smoke and mirrors.
There are others like them around the world and there were others in the past, but the American rulers of the last decades managed to be the worst kind of devil: being able to convince many, many people that actually they're the good guys.
OK, ok. Rant over.
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Oh gee I don't know... .maybe letting the Ayatollah develop nukes not such a great idea? Given that all schoolkids in Iran are made daily to chant that the US is the great satan and Israel is the little satan? That probably won't end well? Anna Iran selling all its oil for cheap to China while China gives them supersonic missiles and ballistic missiles?
I know that "all we did" was more of rhetoric than a statement of fact, but the war accomplished far more than that.
And if we are being consequentialists like that, then it will take years if not decades to judge whether this war was worth it. And you need to account for externalities too, such as the downstream effect on the terrorism they fund, Russia and China, etc.
People are exhausted. They just want to live their life. It’s hard to blame them
Better tools to brainwash people. The bar to remain sovereign over one’s mind is higher than ever.
Most people’s brains are broken. They spend all their energy worried about chem trails and trans people they will never meet.
I can think of a bunch of pedophile leaders I would prefer we remove from power here at home and it wouldn’t cost a dime. Frankly your Iranian friends don’t pay taxes or suffer from the debasement these actions will create.
Yeah, but I'm not crying over the loss of some "death to America" folks who wanted to build a nuke to launch at us.
Trump told the American people that he denuclearized Iran last year with the 12 day war nonsense. We supposed to believe him now?
Well, I'll give you that one. He hasn't been very "promises kept" this term AT ALL! And that's one reason I'm black pilled. 🤭
You're also completely right about the local pedophiles. We were supposed to get some justice! (I already wasn't expecting that, though.)
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To protest used to be to vote but most people recognize voting doesn’t mean what it used to. And even protesting doesn’t mean what it used to. The only option is to opt out of the money that enables it. Those who aren’t familiar with opting out yet, bury their heads because they’re exhausted.
The desensitization point is real, but I think there's a structural reason the opposition is quieter now: the costs are still abstract for most people. Vietnam had the draft. Iraq had flag-draped coffins on the news. This war's price tag gets absorbed into inflation numbers that feel like background noise.
What's strange is we actually have better tools to make fiscal costs legible now. Every dollar spent bombing infrastructure is monetized debt — real purchasing power extracted from everyone holding dollars. That used to require an economist to explain. Now anyone can feel it at the grocery store and trace the line, if they're looking.
The opacity isn't technical. It's attentional. And you're right that more digital hasn't meant more aware — it's meant more stimulated and less focused. The information exists. The will to sit with it doesn't.
The desensitization point is real, but I'd add one structural piece: hard money is anti-war infrastructure. States fund endless wars through monetary inflation — the money printer is what makes "we can't afford this" an argument that never lands. When the cost is diffuse and invisible (debasement), the public debate you remember from Vietnam and Iraq becomes optional. Bitcoin doesn't fix the will to war, but it does force honest accounting. Hard to run a years-long campaign when you can't quietly tax the savings of people who never voted for it.
Look at the polling: The majority of Americans oppose the war. They voted for Trump to stop the wars. But the jews want war and what they say actually matters.
Israel steal American secrets and sell them to China. All documented and verified.
You need to shut up, jew.
You are jewish.
All of that Iraq and Afghanistan rage resulted in nothing for us. It isn't not caring, for me I'm computing. Looking for ways to play the game differently.
What I've found so far looks very different than before so if you are looking for the old stuff you won't see it.
Lot of apathy, also a lot of us have learned to focus on what we can control, and work within that sphere.
Sometimes prayers for the suffering and the dead are all we’ve got.
We live in a wicked world.
I think it's easier to understand when you remember that the US lost its independence in 1913. Sad but true.
He lies. Cheats at golf. Cheats in business. Cheats on wife/family. Total fraud.
The desensitization point cuts deep. But I'd add a structural layer: inflation-funded warfare removes the most direct check on war-making — the tax bill. When governments can print money to pay for bombs, the cost is distributed invisibly across everyone's savings rather than appearing as a line on anyone's tax return. Vietnam had a draft and visible tax increases. Iraq had neither — just debt. The more invisible the financing, the less public resistance.
Hard money doesn't make war impossible. But it forces the question into the open: are we willing to actually pay for this?
I oppose the bombs but fuck if I think it's a good idea for the IRGC to have nukes. It is not.
I will admit that I thought taking out Saddam, Uday and Qusay was probably a good thing overall for humanity. Still do. But the way we tried to be the good guys after that and "fix" Iraq was stupid.
So I think a lot of us know a) there is not much we can do b) wait and see.
Why doesn’t Trump stop the war?
I protested in the streets during the Iraq war while in college. There were about a dozen of us. It suspected more people would be against it, but was wrong.
I get the impression that most Americans believe the bullshit propaganda that programs them to think war is good for the economy. Some people have even told me this. 😔
It seems assassinating world leaders because "Isreal made us do it" makes the nuclear threat worse, not better. Hopefully I'm wrong.
By the way, I love Jewish people, but all governments suck.
war machine no longer has to campaign for support - people are distracted or focused on survival - realized they can just war things
Bro. It’s not that we don’t oppose it. It’s we realize we can’t do ANYTHING about it. Buying Bitcoin is the protest ! Get of your high horse. Normal people have day jobs and bills and shit.
I agree Bitcoin is a good way to protest but it doesn’t help anyone right now. My high horse? How about all the millions displaced or thousands killed?
There was a time I'd have argued with you, but the red pill turned black in my hand.
That's another mind boggle. How in the fuck does your extreme Jew hate make you a goat fucking rapist pedophile terrorist supporter? Can't you hate both? It's how I know you mother fuckers are the propaganda and aren't thinking for yourselves...
* ate the propaganda * (not are)
Just paid bills now I have no money, vicious cycle. Just put all my fiat in a bank because Bitcoin is banned in Trinidad
Everyone I know is opposed to this war, both IRL and online. It's the least supported war in the last 100 years easily.
That's complete bullshit. And I'm not Jewish.
But you are an asshole
Thousands killed? Where is your sympathy for the 40000 young Iranian protesters killed in a few days by the IRGC, the young women raped and shot in the eyes, the funding by Iran of Hamas and Hezbollah who have killed countless thousands? No ?
You don’t live in the real world man. I’m sorry but the world has always been cruel. You benefit from the American way of life just because of the very country you were born in. The hodlers who work 9-5s are in Fact keeping this thing going. Working in silence for a world we may never get to enjoy. I don’t see you with a hard hat on in Iran plucking dead bodies out of these buildings. You never had a hard day in your life. Get real. A man working a dead end job who’s fearful of the future already feels hopeless. Whining about it isn’t doing anything to change. Focus on what you can control. The things you can’t like Strategic warfare is something you can not. Head down stacking in silence is the only protest many of us have because we have real fucking problems.
Nah. Only death is bad when the white man does it. These guys need to stick to what they know !
You mean these? Where Israel dropped charges against 5 IDF soldiers who were caught on camera beating and raping a Palestinian prisoner.
Then you're just ignorant. Sightly better I suppose.
Look up who Jonathan Pollard is.
My problem with shit like that is proving authenticity. But aside from that, war is hell, and rape is baked into Islam as part of the religion, so my sympathy can only stretch so far.
Yeah. Because you're a perfidious jew.
Well, fuck. At least I'm not a retard that instantly believes everything it sees on the Internet, and calls people whatever the flavor of the week insult is when they disagree with me. 🤷♂️ You're shallow as fuck and narrow minded. You need a role model, kid. One that actually has a functioning brain.
In other words ... I'd rather be Jewish than youish. 🤭😁😂😂😁😁😂😂😎😏
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How about you at least tell your representative that they should use the tax dollars you worked your ass off to benefit public services near you and not Israel or use it to vaporize little girls in Iran?
How does slaughtering even more Iranians make that better. Is it the job of the US to deploy your tax money to murder even more people? All they did so far is making the hold of the regime in the population stronger, because that happens if a threat from outsidestartas to murder your children
Obama who sent billions in cash to Iran and facilitated their enriched uranium program
Its heavy stuff. I have a very similar experience to your timeline. Fundamentally all we have is exit and voice. Control what we can control.
