The irony is thick on this one. Buckle up, Buttercup. You're about to get taken to school. This is a long post so make sure not to skip over any of it. "...to practise righteousness in the ways of God...he shall not reply before he has heard, nor shall he speak before he has gained understanding." -Dead Sea Scrolls, 4Q420 fr. I The best part about using a Dead Sea Scroll quote in a debate with people who are claiming that the Dead Sea Scrolls are fake is that, if they try to claim that the quote is invalid because it came from a fake source, that would be a textbook example of the "genetic fallacy". Truth is truth, regardless of who utters it or where it is found. In a similar but opposite way, lies are lies regardless of who utters it or where it is found even if the source is perceived as an "authority" (cough CNN cough). So, don't go there. I'm already one step ahead of you. Your king is in check. You've just offered a perfect example of what is wrong with the world. Rather than approaching me with a spirit of open-mindedness and inquisition, you've chosen to approach me as a lazy heresy hunter. You don't get to tell someone they're wrong when you haven't fully consumed their research. Think about it. You could read 99% of the research and miss out on the one piece of the research that ties it all together. This is exactly the lesson Jesus was teaching with the lesson of the rich man and the camel passing through the eye of the needle. It's the same lesson conveyed by the Zen koan about emptying your cup. Imagine an economist who knows everything about Bitcoin except for the difficulty adjustment. Would that economist's opinion of Bitcoin be valid or invalid? It's risky to criticize from a position of incomplete awareness of the facts, so it's generally ill advised to do so. I take wisdom from wherever I can get it. One piece of wisdom I got from playing the board game Clue as a kid. In Clue, you can make as many Suggestions as the dice and your choices afford you before the game ends, but you only get to make one Accusation per game. Your game is over either way when you make an Accusation. You're either right and you win the game or you're wrong and you're out of the game while the other players continue to play and finish it. Why are you out of the game if you make an incorrect Accusation? Because that's a dick move and if you do that in real life, there will be consequences. What you said to me was not a loving response. That was not Golden Rule behavior. That was lazy, ignorant, crab bucket behavior. If you're not familiar with the crab bucket phenomenon, check out the very brief video linked below, but don't forget to read all of the text below the video in this post. If this post was a baseball game, we're not even done with the 3rd inning yet. There will be no calls to the bullpen either. I'm going the full nine. ------------------- Regarding your conspiratorial claim: "They were "discovered" two years after Nag Hamadi, and their main use is to legitimize Israel." Debatable on all points. 1. Nag Hammadi was discovered in December of 1945. 2. The first Qumran cave's discovery is disputed, possibly occurring during the winter of 1946 or in the spring or summer of 1947. See the interview with the discoverer, Muhammad edh-Dhib, reported by John C. Trever in "The Dead Sea Scrolls: A Personal Account". That's the first hole in your theory. You really think a dude named Muhammad is going to serve as a pawn to "legitimize Israel"? The scrolls were only partly found by archaeologists. The bulk of them had to be purchased from Arabs who nine times out of ten outwitted their professional rivals. 3. Philo, Josephus, and Pliny the Elder all verify that the Essenes were a sect of Jews. Their descriptions of the Essene settlement are extremely consistent with the modern site of Qumran which is extremely close in proximity to the 11 Qumran caves where the DSS were found. The sect consisted of the survivors of the Hasidim, linked with a group of dissident priests who by the mid-second century BCE, came under the leadership of the sons of Zadok, associates of the Zadok high priests. This history continues at Qumran and at other Palestinian localities until the first Jewish rebellion against Rome, when possibly in 68 CE the settlement is believed to have been occupied by Vespasian's soldiers. Josephus referenced a "massacre of the Essenes by the Romans". As someone who has seen Star Wars, certainly the idea of sending out an emergency package as the stormtroopers are descending upon your position is not a novel concept, i.e. "Help me Obi Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope." The Essenes got sufficient advanced word that the Romans were coming to fuck their shit up so they jettisoned their scrolls, hoping that, even if they died, the scrolls would one day be found. It's not an insane concept. People still engage in the practice of creating and burying "time capsules" to this day. This Essene time capsule just happened to be an emergency time capsule. The report by Josephus explains why the scrolls remained in the caves for nearly 1900 years. No Essenes survived the massacre to come back and reclaim their scrolls. 4. You're sort of right about access to them having been tightly controlled. Father Roland De Vaux, whose anti-Israeli sentiments were no secret, restricted access to unpublished texts to a small team of editors. Given the magnitude of the find, this is somewhat understandable. Rule number 1 is protect your investment. Lots of time, money, and attention had been invested in these scripts...not just in the modern day, but also thousands of years ago by the people who created and used these documents. The protective dam erected around the fragments by the international team collapsed in the autumn of 1991 under the growing pressure of public opinion, mobilized in particular by Hershel Shanks, in the columns of the widely read Biblical Archaeology Review (BAR). The first landmark event leading towards full freedom was the publication in early September by BAR'sparent body, the Biblical Archaeology Society, of seventeen Cave 4 manuscripts reconstructed with the help of a computer by Ben Zion Wacholder and and Martin Abegg from the Preliminary Concordance which was privately issued in twenty-five copies (in theory only for the use of the official editors) by John Strugnell in 1988. Later in the same month out of the blue came the announcement by William A. Moffett that the Huntington LIbrary of San Marino, California, a renowned research institution, would bring to an end the forty-year old closed shop by opening its complete photographic archive of teh Qumran Scrolls to all qualified scholars. The IAA and the official editors attempted to resist but, by the end of October, under pressure from the Knesset, Israel's parliament, they were all forced to recognize that the battle was lost and all restrictions had to be lifted. Almost at once, the Scroll photograph archives at the Oxford Centre for Postgraduate Hebrew Studies and at the Ancient Biblical Manuscript Center at Claremont, previously legally compelled to restrict access only to persons approved by Jerusalem, were also thrown open to all competent research scholars. Moreover, in November 1991 the Biblical Archaeology Society published a two-volume photographic edition of the bulk of the Qumran fragments compiled by Robert Eisenman and James Robinson. How the two Californian professors obtained the material remains unclear. So, largely, no. You're not completely wrong but you are wrong. 5. Israel was officially recognized as a nation by the US in May 1948. In 1947, three of the rolls, an incomplete Isaiah manuscript, a scroll of Hymns and one describing the War of the Sons of Light against the Sons of Darkness, were purchased by the Hebrew University's Professor of Jewish Archaeology, E. L. Sukenik, who proceeded at full speed towards publication. The first publication of any Qumran scrolls was April of 1948. So, based SOLELY on this timing of these 2 events, is your contention possible? Sure. April 1948 comes before May 14, 1948, at least by 2 weeks. Do we really think that a 2-6 week window is sufficient to tip the inclinations of the US in one direction or another regarding the recognition of the independence of the forming nation? I suppose, but again, this concession is only based on the timing of those 2 events and no other data which annihilates this conspiracy theory. Time to hit the NOS. 6. Multiple independent research labs in Zurich and Tucson conducted carbon-14 tests on dozens of scrolls. The tests consistently date to a window spanning from the 3rd century BCE to the 2nd century CE. 7. As was stated above, many Arabs got the best of archaeologists by selling them fakes. Forgeries were identified in multiple ways including a shiny animal-skin glue to hide modern tears and replicate the waxy, amber-like sheen of genuine, aged parchment. Some forged documents were created using refined table salt which wasn't a thing until like 500 years ago. 8. Forensic analysis DID determine that a large number of unprovenanced fragments, primarily a collection of roughly 70 "new" scraps that flooded the antiquities market after 2002, were modern forgeries. These were largely the artifacts housed at institutions like the Museum of the Bible. Scientific and historical consensus affirms that the scrolls discovered in the Qumran caves between 1947-1956 are authentic, historical artifacts. -------------------- The anti-Semitic state of the world right now is both called for and uncalled for, mostly because people are retard-maxxing in terms of their lack of due diligence. The entire purpose of my research is aimed at ending the era of religiously motivated violence on this planet. Few have been motivated to constructive action by the Palestinian genocide as I have. The Israelis who have perpetrated this genocide will have to deal with the karmic consequences of their actions and I wouldn't have it any other way. That said, that doesn't mean that the Jewish tradition is any less legitimate than many religious traditions. Every tradition has elements of truth within it. My discovery demonstrates that the Jewish tradition springs forth from the Egyptian group known as the Sons of Fire. I suggest you give me the benefit of the doubt going forward and do your due diligence before shitting in my bowl of cereal. Show some fucking respect for proof of work. My chain is the longest chain. You have no idea how much time, attention, and value I've put into this research. You spent 12 seconds typing a question into Google which has been broken ever since they broke their shit in 2016 thumbing the scales for Hillary. I mean...come on dude...fuck...even CNN posted an article in 2020 that agrees with you. CN fucking N. Not even just CNN though. This is 2020 CNN. Get the fuck off my lawn. I made a huge fucking discovery. You don't want to buy it? Fine. Persist in your ignorance if you must, but don't spread half-baked conspiracy theories. Again, that's crab bucket behavior. I do not suggest pulling me back down into the bucket because I will end the public reputation of anyone who tries to do so with facts, build a fucking staircase out of their corpses, and escape the fucking bucket anyways. Don't fuck with me unless you bring your A game. You owe me an apology. A VERY fat zap wouldn't hurt as a mea culpa either. I haven't had Steak n Shake in a while. Remember: I'm not doing this research to get rich or famous. Fuck...I give away my findings for free on social media, in uncompensated podcast presentations, and in the Flight Club study group. I'm doing it because religiously motivated violence is ridiculous yet it continues to happen in 2026. The reason there are religious wars is because there are sides. The reason there are sides is because there are lines and fences separating tribes. I'm lighting those fences on fire. As Wookiefoot sang "You can build your fence and walls all around. We'll just be tearin' 'em down." No more lines. 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