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Respect 🤝🫡
Bro!!!
I am uninterested in using lightning. LNurls are inherently centralized and automatically include a surveillance side channel, because they utilize the traditional domain name system. There’s CLINK which is only available via phone apps, it is the only Nostr-friendly way to not have a centralized LNurl and receive money, but that requires me to stay online with a surveillance device in the form of a phone, or run some ridiculous Android Studio setup. If you want to send me money please use the Monero address in my profile. LN just doesn’t seem like serious software to me, and the idea that I want to invite a custodian or a mobile device into my logistics to receive a few pennies here and there is, well, not appealing.
It seems to me that you are not only implying but also acknowledging that you need a community behind you— people to support you in your efforts to live freely and well while you and the state+banks give each other the middle finger.
This is the crux of the matter for all of us, the core of our problems; from the 9 to 5 slave who wants a different lifestyle, the anti-state dude who’s debanked and censored, to the cypherpunks who want whatever it is cypherpunks want these days.
But instead of unity and support, we get prominent nostr devs acting like jerks, regular users treating this is like just another twitter craving likes, zaps, and follows, and popular users with lots of followers accepting donations and lots of zaps while acting condescending 24/7 or taking a break to whine about stuff…
We need figures like those revolutionaries and the few incorruptible union leaders who rallied to fight in the early 20th century, not just nostr leaders funded but dubious grants seeking adoption and a slice of the social media market.
A fairy one. Even guys like Snowden and Assange have accounts; however, to ban this guy all of the world's governments colluded. People will be any BS if it's wrapped correctly.
which nostr devs do you think acted like jerks?
Snowden is a useful idiot (shills BLM, supported DeRay McKesson in his war on whites, shills the zCash tranny spook operation out of Israel). They don’t care about letting him have an account because he pushes their agendas. He’s not doing any additional damage. Same with Assange, he’s completely out of the game, and his account was run by shitlib women while he was in prison.
Google my name, I was falsely imprisoned on the malicious and capricious charge of “illegally” accessing published materials on a public web server. Then I was financially shut off and banned from every single social media service. I am still banned from Twitter under the Elon regime.
Try moving to Russia, I'm sure you'll have both a bank account and a social media handle :Troll_Smile:
eat shit zigger lover
Purity is the wrong test; credible exit is. A lot of people can’t live fully outside banks or platforms today, but if the tools we build don’t work for the person who has been debanked and deplatformed, they’re mall furniture, not cypherpunk infrastructure.
What if we could use lnurl under Tor? Like instead of being name@clearnetdomain it could be name@onionaddress I've thought about this and I think it could be useful. I wanted to try to host my own lnurl but didn't want to buy a domain 🤔
And ofc running a node in some home server or something instead of phone.
I've said basically this openly including to core LN developers, that BOLT12 is fucking stupid and that instead clients can simply implement a socks proxy request so we can use Tor LNurls:
Regardless, running a Lightning node is an extreme pain in the fucking ass when you have committed adversaries, and I think Monero is just universally superior. But the fact that LN people are coming up with arbitrary games to pretend that LN offers privacy while maximizing the salaries they get paid out instead of using extremely simple to implement battle tested technologies is not encouraging. I just have no desire to use Bitcoin anymore. I’m not selling my Bitcoin, at least not until after Paul’s ecash fork and seeing if anything comes from drivechains, but I am quickly losing faith in the future of Bitcoin. For income I want Monero, and only Monero.
weev
BOLT12 is actually fucking stupid compared to just supporting a socks proxy request for Tor
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Thanks! Appreciate your thoughts on it, and yes!! I'm really new to nostr lightning and all this stuff but it was really one of my first thoughts when wanted my own LNurl.
Why can't just have a Tor LNurl? Seems really straight forward!
simple means someone can't get a salary to work on it for years
Ser
If you didn’t make an elective choice to stop using a bank account or socials then why expect others? There’s power in optionality. It is stupid to just take away your own options. It is smart to turn being debarked or deplatformed into a minor inconvenience.
The chest beating is very gay especially considering you were forced into your position (cucked) not doing it out of a place of power…
There was no information that this kind of deplatforming was going to happen. I was the 2nd political ban from Twitter, back when they literally said they were the “free speech wing of the free speech party”.
If you now know the things we know and still don’t care about making Bitcoin money or keeping Nostr decentralized, you are a subhuman faggot lol
I'm also not telling people to give up their bank accounts. I’m just wanting people to not interfere with making Bitcoin money, and to attack the scammers which are preventing Bitcoin from becoming money. And also attack people making other centralized, custodial style services that are not financial.
Lmao so I was right you’re just self aggrandizing. Where’s your proof of work? How much code have you contributed? How many people have you onboarded? Sounds like another fag bitching that *someone else* isn’t doing enough.
I’ve onboarded a ton of people to crypto, as I ran large websites that did business only in it. You can google me. I was, at one point, a party to 3% of all XMR transactions. I have been crypto-only, no fiat, since 2014.
Crypto is fuckin gay. I bet you onboard people then they go straight to the shitcoin casino and lose everything. That’s not adoption. Bitcoiners for all their flaws at least mint new guys and businesses that actually get it and stay for the long haul
If you care it’s your job to onboard people and make them care. If you’ve been in the game since 2014 maybe you suck at this and should hang it up and stop bitching. Fuckin crybaby.
> Bitcoiners for all their flaws at least mint new guys and businesses that actually get it and stay for the long haul
There’s far more businesses that use exclusively Monero than exclusively Bitcoin. That’s just not true.
This is the typical Bitcoiner attitude though. If you start asking for decentralization and noncustodial services, they attack you and call you a crybaby and a whiner. Hence Bitcoin not being a cypherpunk effort anymore. It’s a bunch of people who just want banks and regulators to control financial transactions, and people who want to enable scams.
It’s hilarious that you would say shitcoiners lose everything. There’s far more actual commerce happening amongst shitcoiners than Bitcoiners now. The daily volume of TRX-USDT exceeds the daily volume of Bitcoin, because Bitcoiners are not doing anything except jerking off and trying to unload their shit bags on people’s pension funds.
Damn that’s ballsy to say within the long arm of zigger law
Why don’t you like Russia?
Wtf you talking about Willis?
Since CLINK is Nostr, it works literally everywhere.
bxrd.app and shockwallet are both PWA's
The reference server is a nodejs app that sets up in a minute and can run on any VPS or whatever box you have at home... but because it uses nostr it obviates the network setup.
You can even use a noffer as a url param to a web site:
Pay with Lightning via Shockwallet - Fast & Easy Bitcoin Payments
Send Bitcoin instantly using the Lightning Network. Scan the QR code or tap to pay with your favorite Lightning wallet.
I do not want a phone app or a PWA. I want something I can run in a terminal, ideally. I do not want to introduce the complexity of a web browser or entire mobile platform into my payment processing.
regardless just “use monero” seems like an orders of magnitude improvement in simplicity and platform support on this stuff. And CLINK cannot have serious privacy, because there is no perfect forward secrecy on Nostr messages and LN’s mix protocols are a joke (a custom onion routing protocol with no traffic are trivial to autocorrelate) CLINK is very cool, it is the *best lightning implementation* but that’s still like being the smartest kid on the short bus to me.
Nothing is going to make this stuff useful money. I do not want to deal with running a node, managing channels, getting liquidity, deal with all the ways someone who doesn’t like me can fuck over my lightning node and cost me money. I just am unsure I want to deal with any of this.
Is the game to get them exclusively on bitcoin? I thought you weren’t advocating for giving up bank accounts?
Is you trading foot pics with your gay Monero bros commerce to you? 😂 I can use bitcoin at any square merchant out of about 10k where’s the monero equivalent?
You’re a crybaby because you’ve been in the game since 2014 which means you should be some combination of:
A. Rich enough to fund a dev team
b. Persuasive enough that people adopt because of you
C. Skilled enough to build yourself
But you’re none of those things. You’re a whiny little bitch complaining about how someone else needs to work harder or do more. Proof of work or go fuck yourself.
By the way tether is just cuck bucks with extra steps. Scoreboard.
monero bros will never understand LN. You are wasting your time with these squareheads.
> A. Rich enough to fund a dev team
LN has been funded to the tune of about $130M and it is still a ghost town that nobody wants to use. All the functional apps are custodial.
Bitcoin is also cuck bucks at this point.
I said “used exclusively” just because some coffee shop can theoretically accept bitcoin because of their payment rail supports does not mean it is a Bitcoiner starting a business. Nor does it indicate that they are actually doing any significant amount of business in Bitcoin. You are, as usual for Coreshills, continually shifting the goalposts.
Grey markets are using Monero nearly exclusively.
i shifted the goal posts 🤣 I can and do use bitcoin anonymously. I can use it at any square merchant in the country. Whether they exclusively use bitcoin is irrelevant. I have the option to use private anonymous peer to peer digital cash anywhere I want. Monero comes no where close. You’re coping really hard and you’re a self aggrandizing faggot
Lightning processes 1B USD volume per month. Monero is probably less than 100M. If it’s a ghost town then Monero is a toy project for gay weebos
No, custodial services process 1B a month. You have no knowledge that any of that traffic goes over the Lightning network at all. They can settle up however they please!
This is some world class coping. My wallet is non custodial and anonymous. Adoption of lightning is like an order of
Magnitude higher
Mr shift the goal posts uses tether cuck bucks as an example then whines because not everyone using lightning is using a perfect setup. You should quit advocating for crypto 🏳️🌈 and just pivot to selling pure uncut copium
That is the least consequential point in my post, albeit a very good example of the cultural dynamics we create on this app.
this is pure autistic lack of theory of mind and solipsism. “I run a noncustodial wallet with my own lightning node, so everyone else must be too”. Those Square vendors you lauded are not running their own Lightning node. That’s the majority of retail location Bitcoin vendors in the world and they are using a custodial solution. Lightning has nobody but very fringe nerds who are not doing business in adversarial conditions running a node.
That’s not shifting the goalpost. Tether started off on Bitcoin, had Core focused on actual real world use cases of blockchains instead of Lightning, it would be generating massive amounts of fees and countless users for Bitcoin rather than a dozen other blockchains. That Tron is the major beneficiary of Tether is a giant L for Bitcoin. People are doing
massive amounts of commerce in USDT. Bitcoin is mostly just speculators, ETFs and cultists now. Drastically smaller amounts of commerce are happening in Bitcoin right now. And that’s because Core has continually focused on Lightning rather than the things people actually use blockchains for.
No actually it’s the opposite. I understand not everyone is running a full node. The point is that I and others have the option to self custody and pay at 10,000 retailers with square. Can’t say the same for Monero or the umpteen shitcoins. It’s pure cope.
What it really is: low IQ and motivated reasoning. It is objectively better than any percentage of the LN has the ability to use bitcoin for retailers even if everyone is not running a full node. You apply a purity test to cope with this fact. Monero does not even have this option. You brought up tether mentioned tether even though it is definitionally custodial and censorable. You just have BDS and you’re coping the hardest I’ve ever seen anyone cope. Just drop your BDS and purity tests. It’s why you’ve been spinning your wheels and getting nowhere with adoption.
There is no way to argue that tether is non custodial. Tether is not resistant to surveillance and seizure. Idk why you would claim to be cypherpunk and seriously bring it up but I’ve learned you’re completely unserious.
There are way more people paying square merchants with lightning than there are Monero people (0 bc you’re a crybaby failure) or people using non custodial tether (also 0 and non existent)
> Tether is not resistant to surveillance and seizure
And neither is Lightning, which is populated largely by people using similarly custodial services. The only difference is that people are actually using Tether. I’m not saying people should use Tether to do commerce, but the market has judged it significantly more useful than Lightning for that. I don’t understand how you continually do not understand this point. I can only assume that you are willfully pretending you do not understand, because the ungenerous assumption is that you are retarded.
> The point is that I and others have the option to self custody
Only because nobody is using Lightning. There is not enough bytes on the L1 to accommodate any significant number of people doing self-custody with their own node and channels. The vision of LN is a future where everyone is using a shitcoin called Cashu or Lightning that can be rugpulled at any given moment and only a handful of people can afford to do an immutable transaction on the blockchain. The only reason you can self-custody is that Lightning is a ghost town, and the number of Lightning channels open is extremely small. There’s over an order of magnitude more Bitcoin in WBTC, for example.
I don’t understand why you would puff out your chest about being Mr hardcore cypherpunk then talk tethers book. My lightning funds are private and self custodial. So are many others. Even if a large percentage of the network is not self custodial it changes none of that.
Lightning has the capacity to be self custodial, private and useful with tens of thousands of merchants. You’re not just a crybaby faggot but also dishonest as fuck. Keep coping on your BDS and crying. No one will remember your name.
Why isn't shock wallet showing up in zapstore?
It's a PWA (progressive web app).
Go to: shockwallet dot app
Then why is it in the play store?
Dark Wisp:
- A built-in non-custodial Lightning wallet powered by Breez SDK (Spark)
It's trivial to wrap a PWA into an app.
I'm not sure why you'd want to install anything from zapstore. Great way to get malware on your device.
