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Speed limit? 🤣
Who owns 1000 BTC and is willing to spend them for more privacy these days??
I know, I know 😅
Pretty exclusive network 😏
That's one client.
There are others clients for other things, like 
Eventky
Eventky - Calendar & Events
Your social calendar and event management platform
They’re asking for 1,000 sats.
They all need to stop using the Bitcoin symbol to denote satoshis because it’s confusing af.
Haha 1000 bitcoin.. get fked
Only 1000 bitcoins to enter. No biggie!
Going to get harder and harder to tell human from robot, but neither sms or sats are going to fix that…
yes, bitcoin, the easiest currency a bot can use.
Spin up a homeserver silly.
That's for freeloading off of the Synonym homeserver.
Tell me you don't understand Pubky.app without saying you don't understand pubky.app
(You can spin up your own homeserver and do any authentication system you want)
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We thought we had problems with nostr being too bitcoiny 🙄
What your saying implies that clients are tied to homeservers in pubky then?
1000 btc to join the scam? 🤔
Lol no thanks, I wouldn't even give them my phone number.
A thousand Bitcoin????
Is the "Atmosphere" any better? How would you provide reliable persistent storage for Nostr users without getting your resources exhausted by bots?
I stated it earlier they have a marketing challenge
I'm not going to pay 76 million dollars for that, that's ridiculous.
Maybe if you had your lighting address set up you could receive some zaps and afford this tiny fee.
It’s the primary client being promoted by the protocol creators.
Yes, clients need to pull content from homeservers, just like nostr clients pull notes and other stuff from relays.
It can be any homeserver(s) you want, including your own.
The UI/UX is excellent.
Tags are super cool and you can edit and delete posts anytime.
No permission required if you store your data on your own homeserver (which is recommended anyway)
(Only the Synonym homeserver has invite codes and bot captchas)
How does them spining up a homeserver fox the OPs problem that you need permission to get started?
You need an invite code (I think) and to pass a captcha filter for bots (for the default Synonym homeserver).
Their homeserver, their rules.
Don't like it? Spin up a homeserver and set up the onboarding process and rules to your liking.
Your homeserver, your rules.
This is known as decentralizion.
Ok, so if that is the workflow, then you are saying the client is coupled to a specific home server.
Also, what you said is that it is a permissioned network by definition, the 1st and default server requires permission to use, hence permissioned.
Oh I thought you were a serious person. Instead of asking questions, you just wanna FUD?
Every single relay in Nostr is permissioned. Every server on earth is.
The gateway you are posting is just friction to free cloud hosting we offer.
Don't like it? Run your own homeserver.
Have me on the show, so I can explain. You are denying yourself actual innovation out of irrational fear of competition.
Are you intentionally being obtuse?
No I'm trying to be acute. 😅
But no, they continually said this network is better than nostr and then its fully permissioned
It's a decentralized protocol.
Each homeserver (think nostr relay) has discretion regarding who can store their data on their server.
Synonym doesn't want bots and retards using their server, so they added invite codes and bot filters.
Don't like Synonym? Want a bot community?
`git clone https://github.com/pubky`
Why the 1000 bitcoin though?
Those are sats. They adopted BIP-177, as promoted by Dorsey.
> BIP-177 proposes redefining Bitcoin’s base unit by renaming each satoshi (the smallest unit of Bitcoin) to "bitcoin" for display purposes, effectively eliminating decimal notation.
if I run my own homeserver and I reply to your note will you see my reply?
how will you even know I have replied if my reply is on my homeserver running in my basement?
Thats a btc symbol sir. Not sats.
Im not crazy.
Thanks for the Bitcoin!
I don't mind paying a little to enjoy spam free experience. This is where all of the internet will go IMO.
I just sent them $78,295,919 worth of btc and I didn’t even get a T-shirt.
Last I checked, your signer requires network access. Amber doesn't. How is that even a competition
You clearly did not check at all.
Pubky does not work like Nostr.
Nostr signs every message with the identity key. Pubky signs PKARR to publish identity + endpoints, then uses revocable sessions to authenticate to any homeserver/app.
PKARR updates can be signed offline. The Pubky app is local-first. Network is for syncing/publishing, not for producing signatures.
So comparing Amber offline signing to Pubky is mixing layers, and a misunderstanding of the design.
This is such a great response from someone trying to encourage usage of their app.
Iirc there is the key ring and the main app. If I denied the keyring app network access, nothing worked.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Why are you expecting internet things to work without the internet?
If you are sincerely interested, research the tech or ask questions related to an actual use case.
Nothing in the world works lile Nostr because the nostr design is naive. Stop assuming better tech should resemble Nostr, it wont.
I cant be polite to someone whose only goal is to lazily pretend our work is evil, that's not how the world works.
Pubky.org
Looks like the economy crashed according to them as 1000 BTC is supposedly worth 0.76 USD. Eek! Must be the start of the next mass extinction event 😂
My key lives in the keyring right? I wouldn't want that app to have internet access.
Amber does this workflow just fine.
You are confusing offline signing with online authentication.
Amber signs Nostr events locally because Nostr requires signing every event. Pubky does not. Pubky establishes revocable sessions so apps can authenticate without repeatedly touching the identity key. Ring needs network access to complete the login handshake, not to export keys or sign content.
You make a key, you sign in to a homeserver, you take the key offline, you are done.
No more keys needed until you want to sign in to another server or app.
You only need to be online to auth or update your server location. Otherwise the key is mostly not used.
Pubky allows actual cold keys that only need to be warmed if you move servers or add more apps. You can keep Ring offline 90% of the time.
99.9%* of the time
FYI, I asked these same questions in a DM last year and you never responded.
That is probably because nostr dm has been very broken in most apps for a long time, i spent a lot of time answering people back then
Looks like it's mostly whatever app you use cuz I don't have any problems.
No need for invite codes, everything is completely open now (open source too)
@AU9913 needs to understand this is as well. The initial pubky.app prototype only pulled from Synonyms Homserver - this is not the case anymore.
Pubky.app uses the Nexus indexer as to server your feed. Nexus keeps track of any Homeserver/User that it knows of. If you update your pkarr record (switch your homeserver) Nexus will automatically pull the data from your new Homeserver. Pubky.app is absolutely not tied to a single Homeserver.
Long term the Goal is obviously that multiple Indexers and Apps are available that fetch from different Homeservers but all have the same Data.
Trusting an indexer to build your feed is actually a lot more efficient than connecting to each Homeserver by itself. This is basically what a lot of Nostr apps (AFAIK Primal does something similar) are doing by connecting to a bunch of Realys. It will be very obvious if your indexer censors anything and at some point Clients will certainly allow you to set which Indexer you want to use (even host your own one). Different Indexers might also monitor Homeservers different Content-Types.
Some Clients could opt to only monitor a single Homeserver and not use an Indexer, if they wanted to.
There's a put-endpoint that allows you to ingest a Pubky ID for indexing in Nexus.
Swagger UI
Ok I'll admit, I'm drunk from the bitcoin meetup where I'm paid in zaps (pubky doesn't have), but referencing primal in your argument is like referencing ETH in a bitcoin pitch. #primalice is as much nostr as ETH is bitcoin.
Also, fuck your "long term" goals. Currently what you're saying is the indexer is centralized, correct?
Is the indexer centralized?
Only in the sense that every server on earth needs to be run by someone, not the sense that everyone needs to use someone else's indexer.
You could also run your own indexer, for your own app, etc.
The identity network (Mainline DHT) is the most decentralized on Earth. The data model offers seamless portability. The aggregation model is modular.
You do not have a technical argument against this system because it was designed intentionally, not incidentally.