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V for Vendetta
LETS FUCKIN GO
Cuántos llegarán a Nostr? Me imagino que muchos
If the US gov will have these powers, Nostr will suffer.
LET'S GOOOOO NOSTR! I HATE TIKTOK MYSELF, BUT BANNING IT IS JUST A POWER GRAB, THEY CLAIM IT'S TO PROTECT KIDS, BUT IT'S NOT. IF YOUR KIDS USE IT, IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY NOT THE GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT THEM FROM IT!
#growNOSTR
ODELL
THE TIKTOK BAN BILL GOING THROUGH CONGRESS RIGHT NOW WILL GIVE GOVERNMENT INSANE POWER TO RESTRICT SPEECH.
AT THE SAME TIME SECTION 230 PROTECTIONS ARE ABOUT TO BE NEUTERED BY THE SUPREME COURT WHICH WILL ADD AN INSANE AMOUNT OF LIABILITY TO CENTRALIZED PLATFORMS - INEVITABLY INCREASING CENSORSHIP.
RESTRICTING FREE SPEECH IN AMERICA HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AMONG OUR CORRUPT POLITICAL CLASS.
NOSTR IS ABOUT TO HAVE ITS MOMENT TO SHINE. WE NEED TO BE READY FOR BILLIONS OF NEW USERS.
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If we can't stand up free speech platforms, we didn't have a chance to begin with.
give me #freedomtech of give me death
Centralized social media is done.
Centralized anything is also done.
well said
BILLIONS
ODELL
THE TIKTOK BAN BILL GOING THROUGH CONGRESS RIGHT NOW WILL GIVE GOVERNMENT INSANE POWER TO RESTRICT SPEECH.
AT THE SAME TIME SECTION 230 PROTECTIONS ARE ABOUT TO BE NEUTERED BY THE SUPREME COURT WHICH WILL ADD AN INSANE AMOUNT OF LIABILITY TO CENTRALIZED PLATFORMS - INEVITABLY INCREASING CENSORSHIP.
RESTRICTING FREE SPEECH IN AMERICA HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AMONG OUR CORRUPT POLITICAL CLASS.
NOSTR IS ABOUT TO HAVE ITS MOMENT TO SHINE. WE NEED TO BE READY FOR BILLIONS OF NEW USERS.
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JOE BIDEN LITERALLY JOINED TIKTOK TO PROMOTE HIMSELF TO GEN Z, THIS ISN'T ABOUT PROTECTING KIDS, ITS ABOUT A POWER GRAB. IT IS A PARENTS JOB TO PROTECT THEIR KIDS!
ODELL
THE TIKTOK BAN BILL GOING THROUGH CONGRESS RIGHT NOW WILL GIVE GOVERNMENT INSANE POWER TO RESTRICT SPEECH.
AT THE SAME TIME SECTION 230 PROTECTIONS ARE ABOUT TO BE NEUTERED BY THE SUPREME COURT WHICH WILL ADD AN INSANE AMOUNT OF LIABILITY TO CENTRALIZED PLATFORMS - INEVITABLY INCREASING CENSORSHIP.
RESTRICTING FREE SPEECH IN AMERICA HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AMONG OUR CORRUPT POLITICAL CLASS.
NOSTR IS ABOUT TO HAVE ITS MOMENT TO SHINE. WE NEED TO BE READY FOR BILLIONS OF NEW USERS.
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@ODELL don't care tiktok is cringe and for pedophiles. Shut it down.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAY IT EARLIER, IT DOES NOT ONLY GOING TO RESTRICT FREE SPEECH, BUT THEY ARE *TRYING TO BE CHINA*.
ODELL
THE TIKTOK BAN BILL GOING THROUGH CONGRESS RIGHT NOW WILL GIVE GOVERNMENT INSANE POWER TO RESTRICT SPEECH.
AT THE SAME TIME SECTION 230 PROTECTIONS ARE ABOUT TO BE NEUTERED BY THE SUPREME COURT WHICH WILL ADD AN INSANE AMOUNT OF LIABILITY TO CENTRALIZED PLATFORMS - INEVITABLY INCREASING CENSORSHIP.
RESTRICTING FREE SPEECH IN AMERICA HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AMONG OUR CORRUPT POLITICAL CLASS.
NOSTR IS ABOUT TO HAVE ITS MOMENT TO SHINE. WE NEED TO BE READY FOR BILLIONS OF NEW USERS.
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No, it won't happen. Nostr will grow steadily but slowly over the time. That's all.
ODELL
THE TIKTOK BAN BILL GOING THROUGH CONGRESS RIGHT NOW WILL GIVE GOVERNMENT INSANE POWER TO RESTRICT SPEECH.
AT THE SAME TIME SECTION 230 PROTECTIONS ARE ABOUT TO BE NEUTERED BY THE SUPREME COURT WHICH WILL ADD AN INSANE AMOUNT OF LIABILITY TO CENTRALIZED PLATFORMS - INEVITABLY INCREASING CENSORSHIP.
RESTRICTING FREE SPEECH IN AMERICA HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AMONG OUR CORRUPT POLITICAL CLASS.
NOSTR IS ABOUT TO HAVE ITS MOMENT TO SHINE. WE NEED TO BE READY FOR BILLIONS OF NEW USERS.
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Gives power to ban websites also as I understand. So many clients could be affected and Relays I assume. Surely there will be a way to get around these laws. Vpns, Tor? F Droid for app downloads. How do people in China get around govt internet bans technically doeaking?
Centralized fiat systems always self destruct.
ODELL
THE TIKTOK BAN BILL GOING THROUGH CONGRESS RIGHT NOW WILL GIVE GOVERNMENT INSANE POWER TO RESTRICT SPEECH.
AT THE SAME TIME SECTION 230 PROTECTIONS ARE ABOUT TO BE NEUTERED BY THE SUPREME COURT WHICH WILL ADD AN INSANE AMOUNT OF LIABILITY TO CENTRALIZED PLATFORMS - INEVITABLY INCREASING CENSORSHIP.
RESTRICTING FREE SPEECH IN AMERICA HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AMONG OUR CORRUPT POLITICAL CLASS.
NOSTR IS ABOUT TO HAVE ITS MOMENT TO SHINE. WE NEED TO BE READY FOR BILLIONS OF NEW USERS.
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Freedom is a double edge sword. It's not freedom if you want it for us but not for them
@cream queenSad to see U.S. joining Canada in shutting down free speech
Love and respect, Sir Odell, but not correct.
Looking at the bill, it's entirely limited to forced divestiture of a specific social media video app owned by a firm in a state deemed to be a "foreign adversary," which is strictly defined in US code: North Korea, Iran, China, Cuba, Russia, and Venezuela.
There is no legal way to apply this to any other technology, company, or entity. It's actually a good thing if we care about getting people off CCP spyware.
I wrote about it here:
Consumer Choice Center
The best answer to TikTok is a forced divestiture
As consumer advocates, we pride ourselves as standing for policies that promote policies fit for growth, lifestyle freedom, and tech innovation. In...
As for Section 230, the cases before the Supreme Court this term are appeals where tech firms won and strengthened Section 230, and most legal observers say they have no chance. I'm inclined to agree. The only way to undo Section 230 is by Congress. In case that happens, there would be plenty of good privacy and tech advocates battling against that.
As for free speech and nostr, there are a lot of lessons and nostr is well placed as a decentralized protocol. Very bullish.
I just wouldn't take the arguments of the TikTok lawyers too seriously, since CCP want to expand their social credit score system. Maybe that's why they got their military to hack everyone's credit scores in the US:
https://thespectator.com/topic/chinese-communist-party-credit-history-equifax/the idea of surveillance been a good thing for ppl is my biggest shock, it's ok been treated as a criminal for the "big picture" and there is mo way around, folks ask for that repeatedly 🤮 freedom tech is hope and a niche
Twitter is next on the list?
ODELL
THE TIKTOK BAN BILL GOING THROUGH CONGRESS RIGHT NOW WILL GIVE GOVERNMENT INSANE POWER TO RESTRICT SPEECH.
AT THE SAME TIME SECTION 230 PROTECTIONS ARE ABOUT TO BE NEUTERED BY THE SUPREME COURT WHICH WILL ADD AN INSANE AMOUNT OF LIABILITY TO CENTRALIZED PLATFORMS - INEVITABLY INCREASING CENSORSHIP.
RESTRICTING FREE SPEECH IN AMERICA HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AMONG OUR CORRUPT POLITICAL CLASS.
NOSTR IS ABOUT TO HAVE ITS MOMENT TO SHINE. WE NEED TO BE READY FOR BILLIONS OF NEW USERS.
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Then there is the Chinese version which is not the same version released to the Americans.
PSYOP
The US do restrict freedom of speech in many ways.
Western countries have more freedom of speech than many others, but not enough at all.
Also Nostr doesn't solve government censorship, only corporate censorship (which is still a big issue, so Nostr is important).
Just say "China" or "Russia" and Americans will let you do whatever you want to "keep them safe".
The psyop was convincing people this has something to do with China, and Americans fell for it hence the government will now have more powers.
Nostr users, unaffected.
Anyone know where I can read the actual bill? I’m just going to assume the bill doesn’t state tiktok specifically so they can keep it open ended to any app they want.
Fuck TikTok. But also fuck censorship. Bigger fish, ya know.
Governments all over the world are too big. Need to fire 95% of them. Wen blockchain governance?
Ge nostr
ODELL
THE TIKTOK BAN BILL GOING THROUGH CONGRESS RIGHT NOW WILL GIVE GOVERNMENT INSANE POWER TO RESTRICT SPEECH.
AT THE SAME TIME SECTION 230 PROTECTIONS ARE ABOUT TO BE NEUTERED BY THE SUPREME COURT WHICH WILL ADD AN INSANE AMOUNT OF LIABILITY TO CENTRALIZED PLATFORMS - INEVITABLY INCREASING CENSORSHIP.
RESTRICTING FREE SPEECH IN AMERICA HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AMONG OUR CORRUPT POLITICAL CLASS.
NOSTR IS ABOUT TO HAVE ITS MOMENT TO SHINE. WE NEED TO BE READY FOR BILLIONS OF NEW USERS.
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GE
The little servers that could…💜
@NoGood ✌️
Immensely
Tik tok is funny at ttimes
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Or*
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NOSTR is the salvation for all of those who love freedom! 💪🏾🤘🏾😎⚡️
Indeed
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Basically some what are
You think so?
Cállate 😠 lol
#Nostr Leeeesss fucking gooo!!!
#freedomtech
VPNs should help.
I'm brand new - Thanks to TT. Any suggestions for us newbs?
Me don’t believe in those lol
Same shit
Everything is online
All these apps don’t mean a thing trust me sir
Odell I need your help. I don’t know how to press my buttons right to make them work.
Section 230 made the Internet what it is. Setting up exemptions among Internet platforms would effectively weaken it, and that would harm free speech online.
it doesn't. you're correct.
No one is changing Section 230 provisions. Courts have held this up considerably and there is no evidence it's in danger now.
None at all, because it's just about forcing a sale of a division of a firm owned by a foreign adversary
You can read yourself:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text?s=1&r=1&q=%7B%22search%22%3A%22HR7521%22%7DGEAR UP NOSTRICHES!!!!!!!
ODELL
THE TIKTOK BAN BILL GOING THROUGH CONGRESS RIGHT NOW WILL GIVE GOVERNMENT INSANE POWER TO RESTRICT SPEECH.
AT THE SAME TIME SECTION 230 PROTECTIONS ARE ABOUT TO BE NEUTERED BY THE SUPREME COURT WHICH WILL ADD AN INSANE AMOUNT OF LIABILITY TO CENTRALIZED PLATFORMS - INEVITABLY INCREASING CENSORSHIP.
RESTRICTING FREE SPEECH IN AMERICA HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AMONG OUR CORRUPT POLITICAL CLASS.
NOSTR IS ABOUT TO HAVE ITS MOMENT TO SHINE. WE NEED TO BE READY FOR BILLIONS OF NEW USERS.
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Can you please calm down and turn off caps lock
Nostr doesn't have the addiction tech mastered like TikTok et al. I would argue that's a good thing, but it won't drive insane usage like the other social platforms.
I've gone from fretting over these things to assuming they're going to happen - incentives at work - and just looking forward to the potentials of the next steage
Thank you for this comment. I can't abide loosing section 230. I do think banning tictok is not a good thing, and would eventually threaten somehow section 230, but, I feel better reading your response here. Without 230, game over for my nostr business, protec at all cost. 🌱🌴🌽🐻❄️
His are the quietest ALL CAPS posts on the internet, decentralized or otherwise. But they have loud content.
Wish the Ramones were still around. Where are this generation’s musicians right now?????
I do not want to exempt internet platforms, I want to apply 230 as written, which is not the case now.
230 says that common carriers (eg telephone companies) providing a neutral service cannot be held liable for the messages people send across that neutral service. A tech company that censors some points of view is not a neutral service but is exercising editorial control, and can & should be held liable for what they choose to publish or exclude.
The existing framework allows these companies to censor and still enjoy the legal protection of a common carrier. By requiring them to actually function as a common carrier to enjoy this protection, free speech would be enhanced rather than harmed.
And those billions will be confronted in nostr with the broken money system and the solution Bitcoin. They will start to buy BTC too. Maybe we should stack harder just in case.
My first opinion about TikTok is that this platform has low-quality content that reduces moral values and mental standards and makes you addicted to dopamine spikes.
In my view banning it is a great move.
The beauty of Nostr is you are not more attached to addictive algorithms and controlled narratives.
Now content consumption is in your hands.
Nostr gives you the power to choose your content.
I believe Nostr and Zapping are ready to onboard creators and audiences.
I’m here and free
LFG! America 🇺🇸
it would be funny if nostr was also censored.
People will be driven toward freedom
Online platforms are not common carriers, at least not according to Title II. Nor should they be. They shouldn't be forced to carry all content, and that's a good thing.
Recent court cases in Florida and Texas have ruled this way, and the Supreme Court is due to write an opinion on the state-level rules that would have made it illegal to curate content on social media.
Removing the "right to censor" also means requiring blogs to host all comments and spam regardless of content.
The main issue on censorship and moderation stems from the jawboning at the hands of US agencies – directly or indirectly – which should absolutely be illegal.
Ultimately, nostr can win not because social media platforms will be "forced" to carry all content, but because online users will recognize that the censorious platforms suck and will choose to go elsewhere. I'd rather have that freedom to choose, and continue Section 230 as it applies to online platforms, than have the government make that determination.
agree! thankfully the bill is just a forced divestiture. Same thing was applied to GRINDR when we found out the CCP was accessing people's sexual histories, HIV status, etc.
The difference there was that it was ordered by CFIUS than an act of Congress.
The Verge
Grindr has been sold by its Chinese owner after the US expressed security concerns
The owner had a June 2020 deadline to sell Grindr.
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not my shitcoins, i'm just getting paid by them to build database interfaces... in bitcoin
despite how scammy most shitcoin projects are i'm actually working for a project that is merely using shitcoin platforms to build a decentralised collab system
it is not a shitcoin project, it is an effort to give people credible and secure alternatives to google tools
Well said
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Nobody is forced to host all content, they are just not a common carrier if they pick and choose (and thus are liable for the outcome of their editorial discretion).
>>> WE NEED TO BE READY FOR BILLIONS OF NEW USERS.
Correct!
Let’s goooo!!!
The only things online are the things we put there.
Decentralize all the things!
“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." -Harry Truman 1950
To be clear, we're at the "Increasingly repressive measures" phase of this plan...
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Centralization teaches the importance of decentralization.
No option left other than decentralization.
Sounds like something a shitcoiner would say.
Censoring a nostr is close to impossible.
The only possible way, shutting down the internet.
Real democracy (Swiss democracy) is the way. In Switzerland this would have gone to referendum and the people would have voted no.
That’s a bit hyperbolic. Isn’t it only for apps coming from China, North Korea, Russia, or Iran? Or apps that have people within the organization with deals with any of these countries? And couldn’t you still side load the apps?
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The US doesn't have billions of inhabitants. The ones that care are a sliver of the conservatives and a sliver of the libertarians. So let's stay humble and scale to a few million (which will already be incredible).
Could that be applied to relay operators too though?
If you're selling relay hosting as a service, then yes
If your revenue stream is something else (or charitable), then no
Even common carriers do some censorship, for example they filter spam. So where is the line the drawn?
I don't see how you can draw the line at anything other than "does not filter" vs "does filter" if you're trying to be consistent (which the law purportedly is)
It's not a stretch to say that the president is controlled by the CCP and other powerful forces, and the president is mentioned specifically multiple times in this bill. The actual president does not play a real part because he is senile. So I think this particular bill is masterminded by the CCP.
I want to use it more but no one sees my tweets, feels lonely here
Actually I am not sure if common carriers filter spam. Anyeays, social media or any other type of platform cannot possibly be called a common carrier, as there is a pretty clear distinction between displaying content versus providing the pipes over which content travels.
Have you read this?
Section G3B reads to me as if it can apply to a website as I suggested, ie "covered company" which includes websites as per their definition controlled by a foreign adversary. What about what I said is incorrect?
Especially the "Cream Queen" part right? 🤣
I feel your pain
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Couldn’t have said it better!
How can we get ready?
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Well said! Removing barriers to entry (while reinforcing best practices on account security) is gonna be critical
What is the solution to spam/bots on nostr? The basic protocol is free (as in beer), which puts a centralizing pressure on the network topology.
The system should pivot to paid-only use. Charge for reading, get paid for being read, etc.
Have you tried watching Amazon Prime via a VPN lately? Can't relays be as easily blocked by ISPs? (once Nostr starts flying high enough to ne detected by the censorship radar)
fucked up
There will be, but there will be a solution. Because Nostr doesn't have a CEO, Nostr is decentralized. Nor is there a giant company like Amazon. Anyone around the world can run a Relay and client anytime you want.
This is an election year, everything should be viewed as a distraction before it's viewed as whatever they say it is.
Also, do you really want tiktok people here?
Back to the days of chronological time lines - there's an app to schedule posts now, I don't know if it can auto boost certain posts at times you set, maybe that'll increase your reach? I've got plenty of follows here and gets sufficient interaction - I'm not sure how owners of more popular accounts manage it tbh
Seems too Dan Heldy, I don't want to live like that
Code is speech. Cypherpunks write code.
RIP
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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Ah, but not so fast…why wouldn’t 230 be on the chopping block??? It’s in the way of the bigger agenda. But I feel that relay operators will not suffer the blowback.
Who’s creating their own ISP…because this is the next wave IMHO to address relays and their movement of info.
Yes, they can try.
that is a definitional clause to explain what the forced divestiture applies to. The bill mentions ByteDance and TikTok specifically, “covered company” is the legal nomenclature per the US code. Any attempt to go beyond TikTok would be a direct constitutional challenge
Nostr might be too much for TikTok-brain people, those with deep-fried dopamine receptors
Barely anyone will come to nostr from TikTok. It was banned here in India few years ago and people just moved to Instagram reels
Exactly. Regulation and censorship is kept the way out of this mess. Will only serve to entangle further.
Well the way its written it can apply to covered companies not related to Bytedance. Constitution gets broken all the time. Cases sometimes go to court for these breakages but by the time it's decided upon the damage is done.
Maybe the ban is a good thing...hear me out: tiktok is spyware, so speech there isnt truly free...so banning it results in migration to truly free nostr...thus net increase in free speech and freedom.
Not that they intend this, but they are the super good at causing unintended consequences.
Didnt our founders explicitly reject pure democracy for good reasons?
deleted my twitter account
Their point about real democracy was that it suffered tyranny of the majority. But the thing is, the system they choose is the one that suffers from this problem. The federal government will eventually eat the US, with time.
Swiss democracy is the only system with no tyranny of the majority. It has referendums every 3 months and thus no group can ever win constantly. There's no tyranny of the majority because there's no majority ever. You win today, you lose tomorrow, and on it goes.
- 7 Principles of the Swiss Democracy
- People's Veto Power (power to deny any law at any level)
- Federalism (3 referendum levels, national, regional and local)
- Open Lists (a.k.a vote in the people, not parties)
- People's Initiatives (a.k.a let the people start new laws)
- The Constitutional Referendums (a.k.a raising taxes always triggers a referendum)
- Public Recalls (everybody can be removed from political positions)
- Mixed Executive Government (parties work together)
Very interesting. Bro why no wallet!?! I tried to zap you
How'd they avoid a majority? Seems like the US has almost always had one.
Ah, thank you good sir, very kind :)
I did create a wallet now, hopefully it works!
When exactly, in the US?
There's no tyranny of the majority in Switzerland because of the tools listed above. In other words:
Optional Referendums: Citizens can reject laws passed by the government through petition.
Federalism: Power is decentralized, letting regions make their own decisions.
Open Lists and Panachage: Voters pick individual candidates, not just parties.
People Initiatives: Citizens can propose new laws with enough signatures.
And in another more pragmatic way:
There is no clear majority because we have about 14 referendums every three months, totaling 60 per year at all levels: national, cantonal, and municipal. These cover very specific topics, such as whether to build a statue for X in our municipality, invest in nuclear energy in our state, allow states to define education infrastructure, or veto a specific law. In other words, the topics are so specific that they completely bypass the usual left-right, group-focused politics. You might win one referendum but lose another. No single group ever dominates because the people interested in referendums are always changing.
Interesting. We so have, in some fashion, similar tools in the US. Prob is a scaling issue: US has 300+ million citizens of diverse cultures across a large geography, switzerland has 9 million people of mostyl european ethnicity in a small strip of land the size of Virginia.
Yes, there are already some states in the US that have these tools.
In terms of scalability I don't think there's any problems at all. These tools are blind to numbers, it's just a matter of adapting the signature triggers to the population of the US.
Regarding adoption, it's the same as every other political change, bottom-up and top-down. I'm a big proponent of bottom-up first, i.e implementing the 7 Swiss political tools listed above in a municipality somewhere, sharing the results with the world on the internet and scaling from there. That's the whole idea why I've created the website, Discords, etc, to get the movement going.
Are you interested in this kind of ideas? I honestly don't see any better alternatives to this. The alternative is just more polarization, conflict and wars, in the really dumb, brute force system that we have today.
Haha wow bro tbh I didnt even see your profile and that you had a website and this is literally your main thing. I thought was just shootin the poop with an average nostrich. Ill take a look at your stuff.. looks cool!
eheh, I am just "shooting the poop" too regardless :D
But yeah, I'm also tired of the status quo and really believe we have to elevate the state of discourse, refining our political systems using all the available technological tools such as blockchains, Bitcoin, Web3, etc, etc.
What tools are we missing to truly bring the change we want to bring to the world? You know what I mean?
If it wasn’t for TikTok, I wouldn’t have heard of this client thingy that I do not quite understand. I think I prefer Tumblr, when it comes to aesthetics, and the ability to stack gif/links/photos. I think I need to find better tutorials than I found. The kind that don’t have all the endorsement buy this…stuff I don’t understand in the beginning so I want to leave. ☠️! These seems rather basic! If I’m supposed to speak in code to make things work. I will probably surely not use this much! But I’m giving it a chance.
Yeah, perhaps for most. However there’s a small segment of TT’ers that have done such a great job of challenging the mainstream narrative that the Red & Blue Uniparty is going to great lengths to cut out their tongue(s).
