I think it's corny but that just my 2 sats

I appreciate your 2 sats 😂

So what the actual definition of targeted advertising should be? The eyes it was intended for should be the one to benefit for sure.

keep the change 🤛

First thought is that users would eventually pool into a sats floor, economic equilibrium … 🤔

some things are crucially important to get more views but get tragically too few. doing that at least increases the chances of it getting seen and boosted/reposted by the right person. with the seller of the space able to curate what gets shown to their circle, I think it’s a great idea.

Yeah, I spend a lot of time trying to think about 2 things that I think are important for where the internet is going: 1. Fix the principle agent problem in advertising. 2. Find low barrier ways for people to earn their first sats This is kinda in the realm of both. And I feel a few key developments in those 2 areas could unlock a ridiculous shift in network effects and capital availability for Nostr and Bitcoin.

Reminds me of Bitcoin territory from Softwar in sense that you pay bitcoin to enter someone's bitcoin protected land..you post to my feed/node if you pay - makes sense.

I like how it fucks with oxytocin, but there are tradeoffs. Good or bad is irrelevant if it makes bitcoin a more pure money.

I could do this with

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I think platforms that adopt this would lose trust. It would have to be ubiquitous.

That land being a cyberspace territory protected by Bitcoin. I believe Bitmap ties all those pieces together. That's actually the non financial use case of bitcoin I see as groundbreaking.

Monetize your nostr reputation and profile

Might do this! Pay to post on someone profile feed. Thanks for the idea @Guy Swann View quoted note →

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It would probably help newbies grow an audience, which is frustrating. Been active here for months. My comments get likes, zaps and positive comments from the posters and others. I post interesting things, but still under 20 followers, some bots, so I feel like no one sees my posts. Maybe I don't get how it works. Then a popular kid posts any random thought and gets tons of immediate interaction. At this point I would pay to be seen, but I have no idea why I even care at all. Must be mental illness.

HODL tried this. He whored himself out. Think it was successful

Sounds like sponsors would like it.

This could be even a NIP, where the target account holder gets notified about both content and price bid and the protocol intermediates the back and forth agreement between final price and content to be published, until the point of pay and release. It gets corny on relays that honor deletion, lol.

Haha no not what he did. He posted stuff himself and renoted those who paid him. Thats back to the same principle agent problem. The advertiser pays *him,* but HODL puts it into my feed. Therefore they both gain by diminishing the value of my feed. It was an interesting whoring experiment, lol, but I think it’s meaningfully different.

Definitely! Will implement this feature very soon!

lol, we are social beings through and through. Rejecting that or shaming ourselves for it is silly, imo. Theres no reason for me to speak if there’s no one listening. (Granted I do talk to myself a lot 😂) But this was part of my thinking too, being able to cross some of the natural barriers to the tighter social connections in a protocol controlled by each user’s personal filters.

Bots are even worse on x

Why pay though? If you found their content wouldn’t you share it anyway? We need better discovery of new users I think that doesn’t involve paying to play. It’s an interesting idea but has a bit of a dirty feel to it.

Interesting idea. Might be a bear to implement, though, and it would have to be implemented by the majority of clients in order to be useful. Otherwise, users might pay to have their note put into @ODELL's feed, is a feature that a few clients support, but he doesn't use those clients, so he never sees it and they wasted their sats. It does kind of remind me of what @Ian and @Mandana are working on with @nextblock, though. Haven't heard any developments on that front in a little while, though.

You have an imbalance of posts vs replies IMHO.

i saw this and you didnt have to pay in general i like verifiable reputations / webs of trust over pay to play schemes but thats just me

But why would you pay to insert in their feed instead of just DMing or mentioning them? It would only be useful if they explicitly say that they read all paid posts, but at that point they might as well just make a pay to DM feature.

Why? Users would be getting paid to browse their feed.

Got it

I've just been here for a bit, but I think buzzbot is great. I don't mind sharing some sats to get more people's attention. I'm trying to be myself while sharing the totally unbelievable story of my life. Post interesting original stuff and repost it with a buzz later.

OK, let's take that a bit further. Why even have it look like it came from someone else? Why not paid fraud (impersonation) using cold hard sats? We are talking about sending a message right? Fuck it. Go all the way with it.

That's a fair point. Some folks are more on top of notes when they are mentioned than others, though. 😂 I generally lean the same way when it comes to my feed, though. I make heavy use of my web-of-trust relay.

I see you. Followed.

I hear you, followed!

Thanks, I'll post more. Can't hurt.

Welcome. Reposts are the way. Promote interesting content and engage with it.

Thanks, I'll look into it!

one could put a price but then not see anything

hey, me too!

This resonates with me too! I kind of stopped using Nostr for a couple of months and came back, and see that I get more likes and comments. Is that because more people are using it?

Everyone here is discussing whether this is a good or bad idea, but I’m wondering if it’s even possible. I don’t think advertising really works without centralization. On decentralized protocols, advertisers have no knowledge or control of the advertisee’s client software, which could simply say it displayed the ad and then claim the sats. Even if phone apps didn’t do that (Damus and Primal have a reputation to uphold by not publishing apps that commit advertising fraud), people could run servers that have their nSec and scan for incoming advertising requests and simply respond to them and sweep the payments.

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It does not cause impersonated accounts, that is a separate issue. Also, spending a bunch of sats to fake a user is probably a poor investment since the fake user is going to get muted out of peoples' web of trusts.

I doubt that it must lead to a poor investment. I would obviously consent to the speech.

Yes, if I see a response I like, I usually check out their profile and scroll through a few posts to decide if they're worth a follow. Yours has only two posts, so not much to go by.

Mmm 🤔 i don’t no

Something better than nip05 is needed to prove authenticity. Maybe it's web of trust. But point is if you pay to fake a user, and then you get muted, all you achieved was to provide some free promotion for the real user.

Want to do an experiment? Say I want you to make a post that defames Ross Albricht. It is a logically sound argument, but you normally wouldn't say such a thing yourself due to whatever bias you have. To fill the gap of the bias, a negotiation or offer is made to 'get the word out'. Well, now I am incentives to accept the offer. It sounds rational on its face, and I could use the money.

I like it, there are many ways to monetise your digital identity, this is one of them

It definitely would require an advertisement broker that users would subscribe to for sats.

Yes, let's say I went there too a few months ago. Followers here don't count it's true... but it's frustrating to spend hours here posting, replying and sharing and seeing that no one calculates you 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️ probably the lack of an algorithm

Dude, you have 7 posts. I probably have less, but I'm not complaining about visibility.

Placing a financial burden on someone to initiate contact makes sense. I see this as a solution to spam. If you are in my circle we can interact freely. If not you pay a small fee that I can choose. I think this could be applied to all forms of communication: mail, email, phone too

Learn to like posts you respond to. Zap things. If you have the top zap, people see your photo and message. Dive into a subject and share what you learn.

thanks for the shout-out @Dikaios1517 🫂 we hope to launch our billboard app this summer. the promo protocol is already on GitHub and we give updates on our podcast as we go. it's a big idea and I think once we launch it'll be easier to discuss our idea of decentralized ads on Nostr.

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Thanks for checking, but that's not me. I have over 90 posts and over 200 replies. 🤪

Because you can’t retweet a DM, and because you could more easily get into a bunch of peoples feeds at once by attaching a payment to a particular post, rather than having to send separate DMs to dozens of people. I think there’s enough of a difference to make it worthwhile exploring

Of course but we are in the same circles. The question is how do you cross into *other* social circles if your reach is limited or your account is less established? 🤔

The problem is finding the content though. I ask this because I interacted with someone the other day who said they’d been up here for a while but nobody saw their stuff. This would be a way for them to get the eyeballs that would make their good content spread further. Then also I could see myself wanting to “boost” an episode of the show or a video. And it would be cool to pay to get into the feeds of people close to my circles, but who don’t follow me. I think it probably feels dirty just because it’s advertising. But there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with advertising itself, it’s just generally been a really dirty environment because is non-organic and run by central parties. Something like this could just end up being crap and abused for garbage, but then the user could cut it off and/or increase their price. But it wouldn’t change anything else about the experience. Somebody brought up that this might have some serious technical limitations anyway, but it was just a thought.

Buzzbot seems to do the job today?

I tried Buzzbot to promote my book to people that have someone in their life that would enjoy it. It was full of bots that were just trying to get the sats which cheapened the experience. It did offer some reach but it still felt spammy even though I tried so hard to not let it be spammy. It was my own sats in play, so I’m not sure why I felt like I should go to confession or hose myself off after using it. Doubt if I’ll use it again. If @Guy Swann had reposted my note without a Buzzbot premise it would have had 25x the reach, with 100x the genuine effect. So those being the extremes, one as a participatory ad buy and the other as a shout out from a high signal person with a genuine audience, the challenge is nailing the perfect balance that removes the sleaze while offering the reach in a v4v structure. The problem is real for genuine people trying to do good things but lack reach, and I think the solve is within the abilities of the protocol.

So, thinking about this technically: If I as a user want to participate in this, I follow a particular npub that is designated as a feed value threshold. Let’s say I follow @Add4Ads100 or @Add4Ads50 depending on my desired sats threshold. Not sure if the open wild is the best place to try to pull it off. Client side implementation would help if a NIP was drafted. I set my Add4Ad settings that as a user and the client shows the ad, which zaps me 90% or 100% of the sats for me to see the ads. Since fees are unreliable to get that to me the client can make sure that it’s seen giving me a dismiss by showing it to me more than once to make sure that I got it. Advertiser won’t want to just shoot their zaps into an abyss. The advertiser submits their post with the inclusion of @Add4Ads50 with that listener generating an invoice DM to the advertiser with an open budget amount, and once the desired budget is paid the profile runs the ad for any of its followers that have settings fitting to the display criteria to see, interact with, and receive zaps from accordingly. The interaction is what triggers the zap. If they don’t interact with it, like it or dismiss it.. no zap. Seems like there would be an entire span. Engine spun up to try to gobble up as many of these apps as possible that are not real people. Would have to battle that. On the side, there’s an opportunity to let users configure the type of ad content filtration and zap levels. It could eventually get creative with the client side zap levels per content type. As a user, I don’t mind advertising. But I do want to choose it. And no, I don’t want you to choose it based on it, psychological or biological profile that you have of being in a database. This brings it into the client settings of the nostr user. Is there any meat on the bone for this approach to the idea? What’s missing? This kind of thing is also where my NIP-G0 could help, as profiles and content could be aligned at various levels of geocoding the events and npubs. This reply is abrain dump. But just seeing what sticks.

*spam engine …not “span. Engine”

Strange, if I visit your profile on Amethyst I only see 9 posts. But if I go to your relays they have recieved a lot more than that. If I check on primal you have 86 notes. Is that an issue with how I set up my relays in Amethyst?

I like it Kind of similar to what Vida have created Ie your create a paywall for your time and attention via Nostr

Let the #softwar begin

I love corny puns ☺️

It wouldn’t mean that you don’t follow people or don’t have followers. It would only be an avenue for someone *outside* of your web of trust to get a post *inside* it.