It just occurred to me, due to a nostr bug, that it might actually be pretty cool to have social media hide *who authored* the posts on your TL to force a kind of double-blind perspective. You'd know the post or reply is (or probably is) from one of the people you follow, but you wouldn't be so quick to agree (and perhaps might even be more willing to disagree) if you aren't just smashing the heart button as a reflex because you like the guy. It might make discussions more communal and disagreements less personal if you knew that you're still talking to someone you generally like and respect, but you don't know whether it's "that one guy on the internet" or, like, your actual Mom.
(Nostr, due to ramshackle Tor support, often displays notes from people without correctly fetching their profiles for me, so I find myself liking or replying or following people without having any idea as to their nym or avatar)
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Liking? You means satsless zapping ๐ฎโ๐จ
Interesting. Maybe even have the ability to time lock the post. Say, post anonymously for 24 hours to allow for neutral discourse, and reveal after a certain time lock.
Yep, I personally like nostr without all the verification, avatars, bios and what not. Just npubs, messages and relays. Your identity is your signature and your ideas rest on their merit, not your name. "You" becomes the things you think and say, and proof that the same entity said them.
Do you zap everytime you "react" to a reply or note?
wish i couldโve been part of those days ๐ค
maybe there will be a client, thatโll be low data mode, clears cache on a daily, and fully anon.
So many people want to try this feature. Even edward.
I think a lot of this boils down to the twitter-style of most apps. But it doesn't have to be that way. There are clients catering more to communities or topic-based follows. Which sort of gets rid of the parasocial aspects, for the most part at least.
Nostrudel is a great client for communities, if you haven't tried.
Nostrudel.ninja
Snow-mode
@Leathermint issa visionary
Cool idea, maybe a fun toggle for a client. How often would we use it though if it was voluntary?
I just added 2 years to your filter.nostr.wine account for you. This should help with that profile loading over tor! Let me know if you notice any improvement.
bera a visionary ๐ค
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@npub1sn0w...jdv9 zap?
for the culture?
plz ser mi famili :3
This is very interesting idea. But how would you solve that social status thing where guy with 12000 followers simply gives bigger impression than someone with 200 every time you'll open their bio? Hide it? Some people dig being followed and build around it and I believe we need these idiots here as well. For growth we need to attract bunch of people addicted to their social media status.
We've become used to be identified online. I recently started using simplex chat as anonymous user and really like the idea of being unidentifiable . even if you do not know my legal name in nostr, my nostr name "hypnagog" simply becomes my surrogate identity.
A chat system where posts aren't linked to any type of identifier is a great idea.
That's a revealing thought...
View quoted note โSince Ed Snowden said it, I think it's a great idea! What does #[2] think?
Looking forward to the day MSM ask "Do we even know who this 'No stir' is?" and they proceed to breakdown all possible reasons they might have against stirring
Oh this is an interesting concept, I like it๐๐ช you might be onto something. ๐ง๐ญ
Interesting thought!
Like on merit, not on person?
#onlyzaps
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View quoted note โMom is that you?
Snowden coming up with clever ways to get nostriches to argue with eachother ๐๐ซ
I can't imagine this post on any other form of social media ๐
Brilliant ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฅ
Makes sense, this is why anonymity is useful - it forces you to argue the point, not the person.
View quoted note โThis is idea is perfect as it perhaps unwittingly accommodates familiarity as well. If a person knows you well enough to know your identity as a part of your immediate community, they will have no trouble identifying you on the platform, otherwise you are all acquaintances and should be treated as such. I might have misunderstood the concept, admittedly technology is not my strong suit. If Iโm talking out of my rear, someone please let me know!
inb4 someone says it... Yes I'm aware it's pronounced "nos tur" ๐๐
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That would actually help equalize the playing field a lot. If not, network effects skew things a lot.
how would I use #nostr with #tor?
we we mean client behind tor? relays on tor?
#asknostr
It is an interesting dynamic when you just see an npub and an isolated expression of an idea or concept.
The idea stands alone.
I like to think that I don't factor in the noter with the note, but I know this is not the case.
My impulse is to like the idea (not just because you wrote it and I respect you, lol). I would hope the identity or at least source materials would be accessible at some point, though. Otherwise I could see propaganda catching wildfire as it kinda short circuits media literacy
Completely agree. Egos interfere. It's exactly what we envisaged in our app where you can interact with people / content based on their credibility in your graph, instead of their public persona.
free speech is terrorism
Do you not recognise people you interact with a lot from their writing style (and topics)? I haven't tried this but I feel like I would recognise at least some people fairly consistently even if their avatar and name were hidden.
#nostor
I think this account (no idea who) has a good point and something worth exploring. The hard part would be implantation. Do we give user a choice to opt-in or opt-out, default or configured. ๐ถ๐พ๐ค
We used to have to follow ourselves to see replies ๐ the Wild West.
Great idea!
super interesting
Iโm going to start using โramshackleโ in more of my bug reports. ๐โก๏ธ
I actually just went through this TOR display issue with a previous post you made. Initially, I saw your note and started to respond. Then, the network caught up, and your profile populated, so I second guessed myself and deleted my response.
My reaction made me scratch my head a bit. But, I think there is some internalized pressure to make some profound thought in response to bigger accounts. Maybe the high level of visibility is intimidating.
nostr ใฎใใฐใฎใใใงใใฝใผใทใฃใซ ใกใใฃใขใง TL ไธใฎๆ็จฟใ *ไฝๆ่
* ้่กจ็คบใซใใฆใไธ็จฎใฎไบ้็ฒๆค่ฆ็นใๅผทๅถใใใฎใฏใๅฎ้ใซใฏ้ๅธธใซ็ด ๆดใใใใใจใใใใใชใใจๆใใคใใพใใใ ใใฎๆ็จฟใ่ฟไฟกใ่ชๅใใใฉใญใผใใฆใใไบบใฎ่ชฐใใใใฎใใฎใงใใ (ใพใใฏใใใใใใใงใใ) ใใจใฏใใใฃใฆใใใงใใใใใใใ ๅใซ้้ฃใใฆใใใ ใใงใฏใชใๅ ดๅใฏใใใใซใฏๅๆใใชใใงใใใ (ใใใฆใใใใใใใฃใจ็ฉๆฅต็ใซๅๅฏพใใใใใใใพใใ)ใ ใใชใใฏใใฎไบบใๅฅฝใใ ใใใๅๅฐ็ใซใใผใใใฟใณใๆผใใพใใ ใใชใใไธ่ฌ็ใซๅฅฝใใงๅฐๆฌใใฆใใไบบใจใพใ ่ฉฑใใฆใใใใใใใใใคใณใฟใผใใใไธใฎใใฎไบบใใชใฎใใใใใจใๅฎ้ใฎๆฏ่ฆชใชใฎใใฏใใใใชใใจใใใฃใฆใใใฐใ่ญฐ่ซใฏใใๅ
ฑๅ็ใชใใฎใซใชใใๆ่ฆใฎ็ธ้ใฏๅไบบ็ใชใใฎใงใฏใชใใชใใใใใใพใใ ใ
(Nostr ใฏใTor ใฎใตใใผใใไธๅฎๅฎใชใใใใใญใใฃใผใซใๆญฃใใๅๅพใใใซใไบบใ
ใใใฎใกใขใ่กจ็คบใใใใจใใใใใใพใใใใฎใใใ็งใฏใๅๅใใขใใฟใผใใพใฃใใ็ฅใใใซใไบบใ
ใซใใใใญใใใใใใ่ฟไฟกใใใใใใฉใญใผใใใใใฆใใใใจใซๆฐใฅใใพใใ)
(Google็ฟป่จณ)
View quoted note โLove it.
A client side feature would be interesting.
Is this Lana Del Rey?
ใใญใใฃใผใซ็ปๅใๅๅใ่กจ็คบใใชใใ
View quoted note โ
View quoted note โPrimal has this problem w/o Tor.
Liked this before reading all the way.
This reminds me of a study that has been done in the uk in previous general elections. People are given policies without knowing which party has proposed them. Each time the result has been a majority win for the Greens.
I like it
Hahaha, this one had me ๐คฃ
tor is the ramshackle.
i built this
GitHub
GitHub - indra-labs/indra: Distributed Virtual Private Network Powered By Bitcoin Lightning
Distributed Virtual Private Network Powered By Bitcoin Lightning - indra-labs/indra
in the last 12 months. most of the protocol tests and implementation are there.
it uses lightning payments and a slightly customised channel type (zero fee) inside the network and users pay for small sessions of bytes/seconds. the relays provide exit services that they advertise, minimally providing bitcoin and lightning services and whatever a relay operator wants to, at whatever price is practical for them.
it could scale, unlike tor, because it has monetary incentive, and by using keysend/AMP lighting payments, the senders are hidden from the receivers.
i would love to be able to work on getting it built full time but right now i'm so poor i'm doing linux administration and devops work and this afternoon i have a consultation for some trading bot dev work, which hopefully will involve some actual Go programming.
There is a trade off between privacy and value. The reputation building aspect of nostr is one of its virtues.
There's no reason why this could not be one the custom feeds you switch between.
Let's say "Blind Discovery":
DVM's could help with filtering through notes that might interest you, that you didn't see yet (or any other algorithm). Then display all of that blinded.
#customfeeds
To achieve this technically, perhaps you could take a zero-knowledge proof of the note and conceal the authorโฆ 24 hours later, the author could reveal the full note proving it was them.
Proving the note was authored by a non-spam user, without revealing the author, would also be important for relays to avoid getting spammed with these shadow notes.
Interesting ๐ค
good idea
It's a great idea, and it could be implemented at the client level (hiding data from pubkeys) without affecting the experience of other users. I like it!
You can already do that. Post from an anon key, then 24h later link to it from your main account.
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View quoted note โkinda like 4chan, but more circle jerky
A sound challenge
I think we need to improve the tor support. :)
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I like this ๐ค
Definitely worth considering this.
like this right?
NSA has entered the chat.
Thats why I only zap
Bitcoin fixes this, too.
This reminds me of the โlove is blindโ experiment from OkCupid a decade ago. On Valentines day they turned off all photos and let people match and find potential partners based on text alone.
the Guardian
OKCupid: we experiment on users. Everyone does
Dating serviceโs co-founder claims it lied to users to test theory about compatibility. By Alex Hern
Users hated it, use of the app went down, but better relationships came out of it. ;-D
was there informed consent during this process?
Thereโs a show on Netflix called โlove is blindโ where the couple gets to know each other before seeing each other. I wouldnโt say the results have been amazing, but some people do seem to form deeper connections that way.
how many undisclosed "experiments" went into "getting user engagement" at twitter?
and would that qualify as an ass wart?
if jack patrick dorsey is my husband then he is untouchable
where did
@rabble go on this thread?
this sounds like a nice change, maybe as an option.
un-groupthink mode
I do this by reading the replies before peeking at their profile pic & then checking it out. It's pissed off a lot of high status people who felt I didn't respond in a second class citizen way like I should.
Why haven't you posted here since Nov? Is this still the real Edward Snowden?
โ๏ธTHIS ! Exactly why I actively conceal the names when Iโm browsing for a new font (yes, typography) because itโs such a nuisance. *Intrinsic qualities vs. extrinsic seduction*.
โWhatโs in a name? A promise.โ
Here me out... 4chan.
anon is right
