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You're not gonna get many followers with this attitude smh
I've got a decent list of big accounts blocking me according to mutable. More than happy to speak truth to power.
I've been here since before lightning invoices. Follow me or not. I've never sugar coated anything to try to get a like or follow.
Oh I know. It's why we (the few who follow you) like you :)
Well, that and you are pretty knowledgeable about a host of things. Never change 🫂 (or do, but not to the dark side)
My followers are clearly the best followers on nostr.
Why thank you.
You're welcome.
🤔
puurrrrr
:P
Jimmy Song blocked me because I pointed out that he just mirrors his notes here from twatter. I was mad then ; now I'm proud of it.
I think about this often. The algo is a reflection of what grabs your attention. It’s the things you like but also can be the things you fear most. Your vulnerabilities and insecurities. Makes you more malleable to manipulation.
Hodl offered to unblock me once and I told him not to because I'd never apologize and I'd say the same shit again without hesitation. Still blocked.
It also has tendency to push somethings harder than others.
For instance if I watch some nba highlights the next time I log in it is 50% nba shit.
Paid and radicalization content. The more educational it is the less likely it is to be in your recommendations. On YouTube I NEVER see any of my subscriptions new content recommended to me.
Yes! that an commercial normie shit.
I don't care what button they pushed on the machine to get the algorithm to put their content in front of people.
The point is, some people here built their following playing algorithm games and getting algorithm benefits. Then they come here and talk shit like every one of their followers, likes, and zaps is truly authentic and earned.
If you had over 100 followers at the end of your first day on nostr you are still benefiting from the algorithm even if it isn't still directly boosting your content anymore. Like being born on third base and bragging about scoring a run.
Are you talking about just being on YouTube on a browser or with an actual YouTube account?
I get your point. Nostr is the only platform where i built a following without an algorithm. Although I can’t quantify how much the trending section on primal may have helped me.
Awe, and we love you too Bill
I don't use Primal and I've posted about more than 1 design choice of theirs that I think goes against the nostr ethos as I see it. I hope I've never trended. I hope I never do. In fact, watch my feed.
"few"
With a real and legit paid account signed in.
You don’t have to use primal to get on their trending list. Most of my posts that ever trended were done through damus. I don’t think it’s that bad. Jumble has something similar. If the post is getting a lot of engagement then it gets on the trending list.
As it turns out, I saw your note very organically in this budget little nak client i cobbled together today:
Really adorable evidence that like-minded people with narrow focuses and a good deal of luck (read: better chances of bumping into things that align with you based on the way you live your life) will find each other and important things without manipulative external influences.
vinney...axkl
with a bunch of bash and jq tooling slapped around it, nak makes an incredible cli client. there's no reason nak should be this good. i don't know if nostr would have made it anywhere if
@npub180cv...h6w6 didn't provide this gift in the early days.
a good lesson for protocol developers in general
Idk why that’s the case. Maybe because you’ve already paid, they don’t care too much about your experience? Most people don’t pay so the goal is to get as much ad revenue as possible. So keeping non subscribers hooked is more profitable?
Nostr is an open protocol. All your notes are publicly accessible. Someone will monetize it if it’s valuable. Even if primal blacklists you, other clients don’t have to honor that request.
A bit of a overgeneralization. Also, I think we're all learning we got sucked in a bit (not that long ago) into playing the social media game, popular or not. I'm sure I still do to some extent, in my small way. So, I try not to judge too hard
Oh sure. But if the big boys can LARP as not needing the algorithm so can I.
What did you say?
We did all get sucked in to following the big accounts early on, myself included.
Over time I realized that most of those big accounts posted crap. You could just feel the algorithmic lowest common denominator vibe on the things they had to say. This is true even of big nostr only accounts. They haven't grown out of that way of thinking even if they aren't there any more. I unfollowed. You should too.
If you are still following mostly those people you aren't living that real nostr life.
Follow people with controversial opinions. I don't mean people who like to jump into the controversy of the day. I mean people truly out there being the only person to post about a subject all day.
I guess it depends on how you define algorithm
You're right. I don't think I do too much of that here, but could probably whittle it down a bit better.
Gonna spit out a poorly formed thought that I think is related. I remember when streaming was new, I had a weird anxiety about watching things different than what "everyone else" was watching, or out of synch with them. And I consider myself a bit of a non-conformist (more today than in the past, to be fair). I think there's a similar disorientation with people have with not following large accounts who pontificate about the topic du jour. how will I know what the larger world is thinking? won't I lose touch with the zeitgeist? Notice me, senpai!
Anyway, think it's a version of that somewhat
There is something to be said about virality even without an algorithm. I pay attention to posts that explode and ones that don't. People are still subject to being sucked in to certain writing styles, content, and presentation. And humans are always subject to incentives. I think the big accounts learned how to write in a way that brings in more attention. If a post is too long, people and their short attention spans may not read it. If it's too short, it doesn't convey enough information. There is a sweet spot that grabs attention and resonates with people.
The more time you spend absorbing and pondering the zeitgeist the less time there is to form and be an authentic and unique you.
Wisdom is knowing where to focus your attention (something I'm listening to a lecture about know, and this is tying in nicely).
They are optimizing for attention instead of optimizing for quality.
It isn't that they should change. They are lost, it's over.
I'm pushing for you and my other followers to optimize your consumption for quality. Go out of your way to break the mental habits that cause you to fall into their trap and seek out quality.
Just unfollowed a tough one to let go of. He had some quality stuff, but really just optimizing for attention most of the time. Baby steps
Someone did what I advised them to do?
I've become the influencer I set out to destroy.
Can you elaborate on what that looks like? Do you think I'm optimizing for attention?
Being human means you will unintentionally be influenced and influence others at times
Yes, but poorly 🥁
Jk, love you
On nostr the most obvious example is Bitcoin platitudes and other things that are widely agreed with in the culture. Steak, family, Bitcoin adoption, natural foods, and similar.
The real key is the timing for a big post. So everyone posts about steak for 2 days and just as that is winding down you drop a family post. It is the same shit coming around again but it feels new to people who have 2 brain cells fighting for 3rd place.
Short answer, I follow you.
Choose wisely.
Buddy what lit the current fire under you?
Love is a strong word 😂
Yes, yes it is 😐
Fair thanks. Yeah I get kind of annoyed with the same posts about how bitcoin is gonna save the world. Yeah man we are all bitcoiners here. You're preaching to the choir lol. Whenever I do post about those subjects, I try to post something thoughtful or unique. Or I may just post it if I'm trying to find alternative viewpoints. For example, the theories about the fourth turning really make me question if bitcoin will be maintained properly forever. But I won't be around by then so it's just speculation anyway.
I think the old saying is that you are a combination of the 5 people closest to you. I'd take that a step further by adding that your mood is also a combination of the things you consume and surround yourself with. Sadly, doomer vibes tend to be stickier than optimistic ones.
Exactly. That is a warning not just a pithy quote.
Book authors, podcasters, youtubers, nostr posters and any other content consumption all pulls on that average.
*I think of the old saying
My typos have been terrible lately
I've concluded that if you want to gain a large following, then you have to post cheerleading, belief-reinforcing, lowest common denominator stuff.
The best accounts I've found usually have followers in the 100's.
