Can any lawyers or ppl with informed legal opinion weigh in on this?
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"Open-source devs building non-custodial tools can be held responsible for criminal activity when crim. actors cannot be stopped or deanonymized"
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The entire Tornado Cash verdict is completely insane and will turn the legality of building any privacy service on its head.🧵
1.Open-source dev...
Are we going to hold knife manufacturers responsible for stabbing victims?
They've been trying to demonize gun companies for decades...
This is why Satoshi was anonymous and disapeared..
Well then obviously The Fucking State is in cahoots with Big Road since nearly every damn robbery allows the thieves to escape on infrastructure built with public money.
Logic isn't with these people, and tonrub it in even fucking further, endless amounts of OUR money pays these folks to further ensure that we have no other OPTIONS.
How many were convicted to be sentenced to prison?
Closed source a no? If I use a #google #chrome to make a bad criminal crimes is a #google Mr. CEO is a go prison?
There are videos online, they laser the code into the knife when someone buys it.
welcome to china 
That is wild.
is there a legal defense fund for this
This can not possibly go through, right? Source code is literally free speech.
"Where will they go next? Hunt down #Bitcoin core devs? Jail @The Tor Project developers?" 
The American way, regulate it out if existence
Sounds about right
Probably
this administration, and prolly the next, seem to hold code creators to a diff standard, unfortunately. seems to be that this admin has some Wyrmtongues pushing that agenda while king theodan withers away at the throne. i also dont think juries have the ability to see the nuance in cyber law compared to other easy to relate to real world examples, unfortunately.
What law is being referenced? It was a Dutch court I think.
The world has literally gone crazy. How is that different than saying
"Car manufacturers can be held responsible for criminal activity when criminals use their cars to commit crimes and cannot be stopped or identified"
"Book publishers can be held responsible for criminal activity when criminals use information from their books to commit crimes and cannot be stopped or identified."
"Camera manufacturers can be held responsible for criminal activity when criminals use their cameras to surveil and plan illegal activities and cannot be stopped or identified."
Van Valkenburgh has balanced perspectives, usually.
Dutch law seems far looser on criminal intent than US.
Respect for the First Amendment and freedom of speech is still strong.
But the chilling effect is real. Which is why @npub1rmhk...ya4n is starting a Developer Defense Fund.
Let’s be clear: “move to El Salvador”
Agencies will not hunt down devs of projects that don't give true anonymity or that can be deanonymized giving their users only the illusion of anonymity.
They probably already have ways to deanonymize Tor and Bitcoin users. So no need to hunt those devs down.
When innovation is criminalized, only criminals will innovate?
Trouble is, everything's outlawed enough that everyone is committing crimes, and the crooked cops in charge selectively enforce the unjust laws simply to suit their current whims.
The world needs to clean house and starve the beasts.
Does this argument criminalize FOSS end to end encryption?
Esto y más pasa en los países tercermundistas por eso están como están.
Pero EEUU ? Es enserio?
“If law enforcement can’t track their targets because of your tools, you become the target”
Ridiculous. It’s holding car makers liable for car crashes levels of irresponsibly stupid.
What about RSA encryption? Should them be liable as well?
Gov should be help responsible for criminal activity when fiat money is involved
Yup. It's pretty crazy.
In other news: Blacksmith sentenced to 48 months jail; his knife was used to stab someone. This follows the incarceration of an automobile manufacturer, as one of his cars was used for a bank heist. 
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Because it’s different when it affects and hurts THE BANKING CARTEL.
You know … The Federal Reserve and the US Federal Government ought to be found guilty of money forgery and aiding and abetting of forgery. This is only possible in a convention of states, however.
The system is fundamentally flawed such that forgery is a necessary part of it.
This is true
what happens when he gets out of jail in 64 months, do they put them back in jail due to tornado cash having run and operated for the tenure of his prison sentence? is each subsequent use of the creation by a person on earth a new crime? are you just a criminal in perpetuity for creating software, publishing it, and then a future person uses that software in a way that a govt doesnt like?
imagine tcp/ip devs are now responsible for ALL online crimes🤣
Biggest takeaway from law school is that laws are interpreted by people and their worldview determines their interpretation. The cognitive dissonance is real and just BC you see two ideas as impossible doesn't mean the judge/jury/gov will
Essentially put yourself in a bootlickers shoes and then eval the situation
The knife worked exactly as intended.
I think the unspoken idea here is that privacy itself is seen as a crime. Cars have legitimate uses, but in their minds you have no right to evade financial surveillance.
Never seen cars being distributed free though :-) or Cameras or even physical books - soft books yes but you cant throw them on anyone to cause a hurt :-) Free porn was always under eyes and is in many jurisdictions - but it got lax now for there are bigger issues of money ..
Good. There was no crime before this bloody internet thing.
Please don't tempt the courts and lawmakers to take stances like these, they just might do it, unironically.
That's next
They are wrong though, because that's 4th amendment unreasonable search and seizure. They are violating the law of the land. They are illegitimate.