It's crazy but, I no longer know which lightning wallet to recommend to my friends who want to receive and send zaps.
-Primal wallet? KYC, no thanks
-Coinos? Too many exploits, no thanks
-Walletofsatoshi or Blink? No NWC, no thanks
-Minibits or cashu.me ? NWC only with background app, no thanks
And they are all custodial wallets anyway, so thanks, but no thanks.
-Misty Breez would be nice should get under 100 sats and there is no tradeoff of using liquid for self custodial.
It seems that "Walletofsatoshi" is preparing a self custodial wallet that receives even a single sats... I look forward to it impatiently.
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Same, coinos was was a great option for this
#asknostr
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It's crazy but, I no longer know which lightning wallet to recommend to my friends who want to receive and send zaps.
-Primal wallet? KYC, no thanks
-Coinos? Too many exploits, no thanks
-Walletofsatoshi or Blink? No NWC, no thanks
-Minibits or cashu.me ? NWC only with background app, no thanks
And they are all custodial wallets anyway, so thanks, but no thanks.
-Misty Breez would be nice should get under 100 sats and there is no tradeoff of using liquid for self custodial.
It seems that "Walletofsatoshi" is preparing a self custodial wallet that receives even a single sats... I look forward to it impatiently.
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Phoenix is good but it's costly which is a shame but no such thing as a free lunch
Heard some good things haven't looked into it yet
Too complicated for a newbie.
Thanks, but no thanks.
True, wos it is then
i find minibits and breeze a could combination. Misty breez is integrated with gplay, so no thanks. This looks interesting
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but have not tried it out yet.
Tell them they're too dumb or unwilling to learn for self custodial lightning if Phoenix and Zeus are too complicated.
How is Primal KYC?
When you opened the wallet on Primal, didn't it ask you for your name, surname and nationality?
Become a node runner and use AlbyHub. Or let them use your Hub with a seperate account.
Yes AlbyHub is a good solution, but I prefer to use it only for me and my wife.
Zeus or phoenix
I believe Strike handles their KYC
What do you mean? Itβs three steps set up!
Phoenix or Zeus depending on the user.
You've right, but too complicated for a newbie and nocoiner.
Then Muun with fake lightning, works for now. Super clean UI/UX and the "safest" option because in reality everything is on the main chain. So can also be used as stacking wallet until certain levels are hit.
What do you mean Misty Breez is integrated with google play?
There was a time when there weren't a lot of options. Now there are so many, it is hard to choose. But I say do what's best and comfortable for you and your situation.
Just a little FYI,
@OVO may be having some prblems with attacks, that does come with the territory unfortunatey. But there is an option to create a noncustodial account now.
Personally, when I created my coinos account, I did not use nostr. So, I did not attach my Nsec to the account. I chose to go the old school way and use a username and password. In turn, coinos generated a new npub and nsec. Which I do not use. Yes, anything unexpected can still happen with the funds but remember we are still very early.
View quoted note βWell, you have a choice. Take responsibility for holding your own keys or continue to get rugged. It's really not complicated but I guess it can be scary.
@ZEUS isn't "complicated" it literally has embedded node tech. If you want to be able to receive zaps while (your phone is) offline, you need to setup your own node.
What you are posting is the equivalent of all of my food options are making me fat but making my own food is too hard! Well, be fat I guess.
I don't get rugged because I run my own shit.
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i dont recall they asked, but sure i didn't tell any of that
i usually recommend beginners muun+aqua (in that case when muun want to send with onchain transaction)
If you use a burner email with primal wallet, it's a decent tradeoff imo
Just make sure not to purchase sats from the app store
Muun+Aqua to zap on Nostr? I think you didn't read my post well.
Everyone who suggested Zeus or Phoenix to me probably did not understand the problem of having a novice use zaps on Nostr.
The vast majority of nocoiners don't even know what sats are, let alone understand apps like those mentioned above.
Obviously to stay on Nostr it is not necessary to use zaps, but zaps are still the killer feature that holds back the majority of those who come here.
However, if the only viable alternative to not losing your sats is having to learn how to use Zeus or Phoenix, then we can kiss "normal" users goodbye.
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It's crazy but, I no longer know which lightning wallet to recommend to my friends who want to receive and send zaps.
-Primal wallet? KYC, no thanks
-Coinos? Too many exploits, no thanks
-Walletofsatoshi or Blink? No NWC, no thanks
-Minibits or cashu.me ? NWC only with background app, no thanks
And they are all custodial wallets anyway, so thanks, but no thanks.
-Misty Breez would be nice should get under 100 sats and there is no tradeoff of using liquid for self custodial.
It seems that "Walletofsatoshi" is preparing a self custodial wallet that receives even a single sats... I look forward to it impatiently.
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Still a few months out, but I hope that #nostr #safebox will be in running.
+1 for minibits, you can send zaps no problem in the background
oh, sorry, i read it, but forgot the original question til i get through the answers :S
but my answer has a little accidently truth: you can zap with muun, just not receive ;)
How about a Start9 server and running Alby Hub?
True.
But lightning is complicated by design. Relai cancelled it's lightning wallet - it never worked.
But Albyhub is working ok for me.
I dont think its a good idea to tell them that if someone shows interest in bitcoin or nostr, to onboard them.... But explain the tradeoffs with patients is
It's good to be honest.
Well I have used Minibits with great success for the last 6 months now
Muun?
Static channel backups are automatically backed up to our servers, you can also manually back them up to your clipboard.
Weβre investigating full channel backups.
Running your own lighting wallet is the best way. I run mine and have been using both Seuz Wallet and Alby Go. With Alby Hub installed in your server and an alby account you are covered and fully conected.
I know that
@ZEUS is a good recommendation by most.
Though... there's FUD about Lightning, as the guys behind it apparently have WEF ties.
I've been writing about this all day. There is no silver bullet. Each wallet has trade offs. Here is 100 sats from Coinos.
https://coinos.io/fund/dc854439-16ef-4f56-9984-aeb076432ba9
Could it get hacked? I guess, but I'm giving it away to the first person who takes it. How would I know if it was hacked or someone from this thread took those sats off the table.
I don't know, but I'm not worried about it. I would never put more than 10,000 sats on my Coinos wallet.
I run Albyhub on my own node and bought stuff in Vegas with it last week, but I've been using the lightning network for 7 years.
I like Zeus because you can start with non-custodial Cashu and gradually move to self-sovereignity as you learn more. It takes time. Nobody can be an expert lightning node nerd over night.
There are trade offs to every wallet. Some charge more fees, some require at least 100 sats, some swap between liquid while others use Liquid. Some wallets are more secure for larger amounts of sats. Custodial wallets might be better from a risk point of view for transactions less than the dust limit.
There are too many variables to recomend 1 wallet for every situation. That wallet does not exist. That is why we use multisig for serious amounts.
It works for me too, but we can't expect new people to use Start9 or spend twelve bucks a month for a cloud subscription to earn 42 sats per month.
I like Minibits for new coiners because it doesn't require infrastructure or software as a service subscriptions. It is also private.
The trade off is some cashu mints may rug-pull you. This is a risk, but imagine if you are someone with less than 500 sats. You don't have enough sats for a UTXO. We can't get on our soapbox and say "Not your keys, not your bitcoin!" for 500 sats. Yeah, technically, it's not your bitcoin, but there's nothing we can do about that.
To mitigate risk, however, we can split that 500 sats on various mints. Perhaps we keep 100 sats on minibits, 100 sats on coinios, etc. We now have our sats spread accross 5 mints. If one mint rug-pulls us, we still have 400 sats spread accross other mints.
Fedi is also interesting, but I'm waiting for some new features to roll out before I explore ir more. I suspect lightning addresses on Fedi will be a game changer, but these things take time.
I usually show people Aqua wallet. Love the design and interface
Aqua for send and receive zaps on Nostr?
Oh oops. Thought you meant just showing pre-coiners Bitcoin. Aqua is my favorite for that.
Iβve had the same problem.
At the moment one of the best options for just starting up is
@YakiHonne because they will give you a free sub-account on their Alby Hub, and itβs NWC compatible of course, and works instantly on every client without needing to open a channel. Once theyβve gotten comfortable with it and have enough sats, you can encourage them to start up their own Alby Hub.
Yes it is true, the wallet provided by Yakihonne is even simpler than the one provided by Primal, but strangely enough you were the only one to suggest it.
Unfortunately this is also custodial, I'm eagerly awaiting Walletofsatoshi's self-custody solution.
Agreed, thatβs a trade-off but I feel better about it because the people who run Yakihonne and Alby are solid plebs who have earned their reputations. I always encourage self custody but you have to start somewhere, and this just works from the moment you set it up.
Iβm in the YakiHonne team, too!
For zapping I think Is ok to have something custodial, in the end is a trade-off.
Phoenix has monstrous fees even for the smallest transaction, so itβs not a viable solution.
The point is educating people to move their sats once they reach a certain amount.
Misty breez is my fav atm, it also has a developer mode so you can create your own automations with it, pretty dope.
I find minibits fun to use!
Minibits is fun
