Me: Wow, my post got ten likes and 4 boosts. New record, baby! This is the Big Leagues!
Then me: *Look at other people's posts...* 😳
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Thats like some big person that everyone follows for reasons I don’t understand…
Well, whatever. Seems to be less and less point to post anything on here, if you're not one of these gigantic accounts.
I wonder how people would respond if I just posted "Can we please stop talking about Bitcoin? We're well aware of its existence."
Yea, I know the feeling. Wish I could disagree but nostr got boring fast for me, tbh. I see the potential it has. That's for sure. You're GitCitadel project is really interesting, btw.
it's okay, the nostr algorithm can grade on a curve 💜
I have tuned it to where your note appeared, and that's all that matters. each user of the algorithm will have hundreds or thousands of data points to fine tune their own custom model
yeah, that's the hierachy of influencers that is a replica of legacy media. the nostr algorithm will break that pattern
That actually makes me want to try it even more😁. It'd make for a fun social experiment. But... I'd rather not deal with any unwanted drama.
"This social media stuff just sucks, man. You can be sitting there, surrounded by hundreds or even thousands of people, and feel completely alone."
This is part of the reason I stopped using everything but nostr for my social media of choice & dead bird app for my news…
No one ever interacted much if ever.
tbf, I have done all the suggestions people mentioned here when I first joined. Here are some tough stats, 2 months of me focusing on Tiktok got me from 1.6k to 8k. 2 months in nostr with non-stop engagement in my end got me 0 to 213. I am not saying these two are the same. The point I am making, I came here to engage — out of curiosity, value for value, the people and no community guidelines. However, I cannot deny the fact that it is fairly limited reach. Finding topics that interests me is fairly limited even I seek them out. Yes, I made the effort to create topics of my own, but I noticed unless I talked about politics, freedom of speech or bitcoin or food, my engagement is very low. Now, I am re-evaluating my presence on nostr.
I've never used Twitter either. Unless, you include clicking on links from nkstr posts to be using it. Also, I think it's a matter of ignorance, as well. Heavy centralized social media users may take a trip to nostr only to subconsciously refuse to acknowledge the realization that they don't need social media to be as big a part of their everyday lives as they imagined. It's sad, tbh. Nostr needs to have an abundance of clients in all markets if it wants to succeed.
So, in short the nostr "influencers" are killing nostr?
😅I still don't understand relays. But, thanks!
You're just supposed to post stuff for your frens. Who cares about other "big accounts?" you're here. You have a core group of people that genuinely care about you. Does anything else really matter? 💚🫂
oh really?! LOL then I must have been doing something 😂
It is very hard to get a reference point on here because all I see are accounts that have been here over a year. But honestly, until I saw your nostr observations, it coincide with what I have experienced as a noob.
You're not alone with creating new topics. I normally talk about hypnosis, paranormal and spiritual awakening or life lessons. The latter is not too bad. But the rest is very quiet LOL 😂
Maybe not a lot of interests or people on here are too shy to discuss these things! 🤣
just to clarify- when I say account over a year I am talking about the one's with high following and high engagement. Eg devs or bitcoin lovers. So I thought maybe those type of accounts are the one that resonates with some people here.
it's my first time to hear meshtatic and permaculture, is that another nostr clients?
The best thing about nostr is that it has probably made more people leave social media entirely
You're here now so you can cheer us up! 🤣
sounds a great plan💯. What is gitcitadel?
Bitcoin lovers seem to resonate with nearly everyone on here. Though I do question their belief in the network, at times. Although, it does seem a bit more polarized when it comes to devs.
oh I see. ty for sharing. new set of words for me! ☺️
yeah I noticed that with the devs too.
I do the like the cooking community. I've actually been using a fair amount of the recipes that I've found from @Zap Cooking. Thank you @SoupBox! I haven't focused as much as I'd like to on the gardening community. Thanks for the reminder!
aawwweee. virtual 🫂 from us. Next time u feel alone, dm me we can go stream watch some crazy exhilarating film series that will cheer you up or transfer you to other world LOL ☺️🤣
this is indeed interesting. I love e-reader. keep us posted! 💯
Most devs seem to have very different and very articulate visions for their clients and Nostr as a whole. They butt heads too often from what I've seen and many aren't very open or, in the worst of cases, completely closed off to user feedback.
Thanks. I followed him/her.
wow that is some tough grind. I also noticed that some accounts on here aren't active for 2 months or more. I was browsing nostrudel.ninja and found accts that were not active.
Lol in other words you're not sitting at the top of the dev ivory tower? Which means your input means squat?
Well, screw them🤷♂️.
I can go on some bitcoin rants if that will make you happier
I noticed that too because at one point responded to fiatjaf's comment about some users' feedback that he was whining about.
I haven't observed enough of his posts to comment on that, tbh. Do you remember what the comment was or maybe which post it was?
Do you have like a threshold of inactivity when you purge them?
Imagine you are heavily involved in a project; you believe so much in its goals and its value — you treat it like your baby! And then people come along, the users, who will give their feedback, whether constructive or not. It must be frustrating. To some degree, it may appear as a personal attack to you as the creator of the app. So I understand where this comment is coming from.
However, if you categorise people as "external," then what does that mean? If you say "petty bugs" because some users care about the "search" functionality, does that make their feedback less important?
We are the algo: this is one of Nostr's marketing pitches, and to be honest, it got me sold on joining Nostr. In the absence of algo like centralised social media, the ability to search is important to me and to some other users. Content searchability is important; speed is important, etc.
Of course, some users will have a myriad of lists of what they want, and I know some can be very silly. Nonetheless, they believe it is important. My point is that what is seemingly "petty bugs" to developers may be critical to users' experience.
I understand that some feedback is not constructive and you cannot act on it (e.g., insulting feedback like "Nostr is shite" — you cannot really act on this feedback!). However, comments like the thread below: are we endangering ourselves by creating division and antagonising those who provide feedback about Nostr?
Could we not weed out the constructive feedback, learn from it, and perhaps educate the users? If we say that Nostr is everyone's problem, then we have not listened intently because if you did, you would not say this comment. Why? There are people who truly care about Nostr but are completely lost as to where to give feedback, what is in the works, or what is a priority.
I have seen so many threads about Nostr's challenges. Yes, some of them are not constructive, but most are constructive. The question is: how do we know that those messages and feedback have been received, seen, or acted upon?
Maybe I am too much of a noob in this community because I do not know which ones are being prioritised or worked on. Education, communication, and orientation are critical. We all agree on this. But if we call feedback "petty" for what is seemingly important to other users, then we are alienating those prospective users and could deter them from giving valuable feedback.
I took my time out of my day to write this because I care, and honestly, to see this comment from @fiatjaf, as the so-called founding creator of Nostr, is very disappointing. If we want to grow Nostr, I would strongly recommend that we start listening and learning to identify helpful feedback that is actionable versus non-constructive.
@rabble #plebchain #grownostr #nostriches #asknostr
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I'm blocking you🤷♂️.
it makes sense. 👌
the nostr algorithm fixes this. follows will become obsolete
I've only been here for about three months so I'll take your word for it. That explains why so many clients have so many bugs and are left in a stage of infancy.
I wasn't suggesting that we all need to get along to progress but more cooperation among devs and users, regardless of differences of opinion, would be nice. You don't have to like someone to realize that a particular piece of feedback or recommendation they gave you holds potential value if implemented. Also, many devs don't seem to possess your approach to inclusion.
That's disappointing to hear. Though, I'm not all too surprised to hear that. As for funding, I think nostr might have taken the wrong approach to that matter. I'll elaborate on that another time, perhaps. We'll see what happens. I just hope we see better cooperation fairly soon.
This will improve a lot when clients implement algo relays, momentum will rank higher than follower counts
soon (TM)
I'm glad to hear about most of the devs getting along very well for the most part.
That could be a good idea, especially if developers who are more open to user feedback are frequently present in the group. I will definitely look that up. Thanks.
As I understand it, the more major clients are funded by people like Jack and such, right? I've just been wondering how nostrs retention rate would've performed if it was solely crowdfunded. Like the launching of a bunch of different clients at once, observing which ones are used the most for maybe the first month or so, then have a crowdfunding round for those clients and other future projects that get a significant amount attention through feeds. Maybe some form of advertisement on clients that aren't strictly social media-based.
Well, having nonprofits and investment funds funding the project will always lead to dev teams basing their work strictly on investor incentives. That's also just a rehashing of a typical corporate business model. You know... the kind of business that so many nostr users seen to want to escape from. Point is, that's probably not the best way to fund a freedom of everything protocol.
Btw, I'll promise I'll donate to GitCitadel once I have a better grasp of it.
I'll read that later😁.
"point"? If the "goal" is get as much attention as possible from the widest audience possible, then yea maybe you're right.
It's sad to watch, honestly.
"Nostr dev" complaining about reach and audience size, not understanding (or pretending not to) the nature of decentralized networks and their evolution and growth patterns.
Not the widest audience, but the most receptive/interested audience, yes. Even hashtags don't really work, as they're so spammy and most people don't use them, and if everyone is only looking at the trending list, and you're not trending, then they literally don't see you (even if they follow you).
Most of the users on here have never seen anything I've written. Since I often write about obscure/niche topics, this is a real problem. There's currently no way for me to just ask if there are other people who want to talk about Tibetan philosophy, or whatnot, because you have to see me asking to answer the question. Catch 22.
I'm essentially "forced" to write about Bitcoin, in order to get more visibility, so that I can then ask the new followers, if they are also interested in Tibetan philosophy. It's algo-driven writing, basically, like the way people on Instagram were all obligated to have at least one BLM post, and then they had to have a #metoo post, and etc.
I'm hoping relay-communities and better algos fix that, but the vote's still out.
What is concern-trolling?
When you pretend to be sad, when you're actually just scornful.
Nostr isn't an automatic content discovery protocol. One must grow one's own social network orginically lest it be a cybernetic feedback hellscape.
I am not morally-opposed to content discovery. Without it, Nostr is just a high school redux, and don't nobody got time for that.
We need better DVM support, DVMs are a great content discovery tool, it's also a great way to start communities. Like someone may run a DVM for sports content, like F1 , Politics, Books and whatever they want.
You misunderstand my use of the word "sad" there. I meant it like "pathetic to see" as in, it makes ME sad to see it. I'm not concerned for you nor pretending to be.