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Buying and selling P2P on Nostr seems a no brainer
Cash at the post office via bull bitcoin is non kyc too
I wish I could do this in the states
I honestly can’t believe that they allow that
thats kyc’d over 1000
this excites me
up to 1k
Yeah, that's awesome. Not in the good ol' U S of A
Yup works well for me, cause i am dropping bands
Right?! Anything close to this in the states?
find secret sats dealers you vibe with at yer local beetcorn meetup (feel free to ignore me here if u lib in middle of nowhere)
I have used a bitcoin atm, a burner cell works well in the states
Canada is ass backwards to be fair.
Just a bizarre place.
No. I think even the atms even ask for ID now
I would every week. I get cash jobs often, I gotta that cash into coin
You can buy a gun with less ID 😂
Yup
When you set an offer, you choose your % mark up. The price is determined by an API but I don't remember which company. Typically the smaller markups want USDT
Welp. Time to move to Canada 😂
I’m picking up what your putting down
99% of those bishes record and store ur face ser
Lol 😂😂😂😂 who's sellin
Let’s gooo 🔥
@npub1vtlq...jrhd has something pretty far along for no kyc robosats over nostr
SouthPark had it right. I didn’t really believe it until I spent a lot of time up there years ago.
Friendly people, nice to be honest, but something is just off.
Not off by a lot but enough that it’s noticeable.
Only downside to this idea is that
Yeah, i buy kyced via shakepay too though.
I know I am fucked.
So always sort by % mark up and pick the cheapest?
As much as twice a day according to the website.
Miners should.
I need a weekly DCA cash guy, like a drug dealer. Comes over wearing a trench coat n shit.
I wonder if I can send a money order or something to a Canadian post office from the US 🤔
I gotchu
oh thanks, yes shouldve added per day
didnt know 2x tho, that's more than EU allows! also up till 100k a year here + always some grade of doxxing from the way the app is developed also
jb55 - your local sats dealer, also created damus btw
fak
Builders be building, lfg.
yeah
Nostr should prioritize enabling IP privacy
use a vpn ?
😂😂😂
Are you still considering implementing tor into Damus ? 🤔
Canadas retarted
yup
oh 👀
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Yes please.
By the way, how much money per month would it take to make the Damus team solvent?
Mean while i just want a digital USD card so I can buy a beer while watching hockey cause cash is no longer accepted
Sort by % markup and pick the cheapest that has your preferred method for payment. They all have the same likelyhood of scam.. which is pretty damn near 0. With their escrow, I can't figure out how someone could scam
If only there was some kind of digital currency backed by a central bank
Thanks.
You’re in Canada? What about Bull Bitcoin through Canada post.
I’m thinking freedom software should have best practices enabled by default.
VPNs may hide your IP address from the nostr relay, but most don’t hide your IP address and traffic from the VPN company, who probably even has your personal payment details 🍯.
At some point, if we’re serious about defensable free speech and freedom to transact, we need to build privacy into the base layer.
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I'll throw a Bisq recommendation in the mix for noKYC btc, but beware the UX (and mining fees ATM) is also rough. Good to have more options than less though.
You sir are the man.
I still like what Shakepay and company are doing. I still use em, but it's good to keep a freedom stash.
As an old wise man said:
Yes please 🙏
This would be 🔥
Yes please and thank you! 🙏💜
Attacks make us stronger
The things we might all do for a sat dealer like that. #yeshomo
Did anyone say Peach Bitcoin yet? 🍑
Wise choices
Been loving using Robosats for stacking since June 2022 because I'm stopped from making purchases on exchanges in my country - no fiat rails. Grateful for this option as Bisq and Hodl Hodl don't have lightning yet.
Hope you're already connected but if not please contact team at
Matrix:
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I tried to use robosats a few times but have given up for the moment.
This is the way
hard to say goodbye to shakepay
but I’ll give it some thought
I believe they have a native client, but it’s android only.
I think android is the only reasonable thing. Theres no way apple would allow that app.
The android one is just a packaged version of their web app.
I love Robosats, the UX is pretty nice compared to e.g. Bisq v1 IMO. The only thing that sucks is that most offers require payments using KYC services such as Sepa, Revolut or Paypal. Hope to see more non-kyc offers such as various giftcards and even in-person/cash payment options. Maybe this comes natually with more adoption?
You should check out the P2P marketplace project on LN about NOSTR 🟣. Called MOSTROP2P made by
@negrunch
The telegram bot version called LNP2PBOT has been working very well without KYC
GitHub
Mostro
Lightning Network peer-to-peer nostr platform. Mostro has 23 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.
If you use
@Mullvad VPN you can pay with sats to protect your personal information.
Top-up Mullvad using Lightning — SovEng
Will mail cash for sats
This is the way. 🖕KYC🖕
BullBitcoin.com Post office method is 🔥 and can withdrawal right on lightning. Good rates, In total about 2.4% including the initial post office fee.
"I think android is the only reasonable thing. Theres no way apple would allow that app"
As usual 🙂
👆 withdrawal via lightning works 👌
Pay with cash in mail:
lol. I'd easily do that if I knew I could trust the other party though, but then I wouldn't really need Robosats anymore. I'd even consider it if someone I trust vouched for an online trader that would accept mailed cash.
I'd even do it with complete strangers in small amounts. Bitcoin seems pretty high-trust right now. Ultimately that would break down though.
That definitely helps, but they will still have your IP address, if they decide to collect it. You’re subject to their privacy policy and whether they can resist govt pressure. You’re forced to trust the VPN provider — which is not how privacy should be.
There are some new VPNs that claim to have no ability to log your IP, but they’re not widespread. My point is only that we can’t expect normies to understand that they need a VPN and moreover which type of VPN to use.
I’m suggesting that it’s better to just bake in privacy into the nostr protocol to benefit everyone, including non-technical folks.
Agreed. that's why I have two VPNs. At the end of the day your connection always goes through your ISP (encrypted or not) and it's relayed around the world by centralised DNS servers. There is no such thing as a private internet. Unfortunately.
Also most "free" VPN providers are just copies of other VPN services or even just tunnel through poor security of other providers. Naomi Brockwell made a video about this a few months ago. You'll find it on Odysee. Basically 90% on the app stores is just garbage and/or data collecting machines. Selling your information to their partners.
I second your notion of baking (more) privacy into nostr though not sure how to go about that and if that would be something the average person would grasp or endorse.
You send first 😏
Awesome! Thank you!
I think we can count on side-loading on Apple device as pretty imminent at this point.
I wonder if they allow notifications in side loaded apps? Thats the biggest thing I would want for a mobile robosats app
Robosats allow you to optionally setup notifications via Telegram, with SimpleX on the roadmap.
Native notifications would be better, just saying there are plenty of ways to fight back.
I'm glad robosats is growing on you. All other options have major drawbacks.
* Bisq: terrible legacy UX that uses bloated desktop java client with a slow SPV bitcoin node. Also on-chain only, so it costs a lot in tx fees which prices out lower amount trades and causes trades escrow period to linger when waiting for block confirmations.
* Peach: unlike robosats (which uses trust minimized hodl invoices) the escrow is custodial. Also compliant with Swiss regulators so it enforces payout address verification. Not only opens the door to more regulation, it also incentivizes address reuse, which is terrible privacy wise. Also on-chain only so it suffers from mempool volatility.
* HodlHodl: centralized custodial escrow, on-chain. Verification requirements depend on chose trade peer.
* Azteco and Bullbitcoin: awesome idea but limited geographic availability, so not for everyone unfortunately.
Not if you buy through the post office.
Not sure why „only on-chain“ is a downside?
Buying sats for hodling on lightning makes only sense when you don’t open up channels every time you buy. (Which is mostly the case)
This means you have to open up a channel every time you stack sats, which is more expensive than a normal transaction.
A bit of hopium but.. Damus on Android?🙏
Phoenix?
I spat out my water when I read this....
I'm sure your referring to a protocol but you may wanna rename that 😂😂😂
Yes.
yes.
Shakepay makes it so hard to leave with their free withdrawals in these high fee environments. Gotta weigh these costs against the price of freedom I suppose.
Their recent focus on becoming user’s “banks” is off-putting and their refusal to remove ETH is frustrating.
I appreciate you,
@jb55 and
@utxo the webmaster 🧑💻All non-KYC fiat-for-sats platforms have a limited lifespan given it won't be many years before any fiat transaction is strictly KYC except for cash if it still exists and if you don't have bitcoin by then the only way to get it is to earn it.
more government propaganda
Actually just did that today for the first time. Went smooth, the guy at the counter even mentioned that someone else was here doing this quite a bit as well. Haha. 💥
We are global!
